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Gaudreau vs Petan

View Poll Results: Gaudreau vs Petan
Gaudreau 126 56.50%
Petan 82 36.77%
Same 15 6.73%
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02-11-2014, 09:19 PM
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Gaudreau vs Petan

Saw the other poll for Gaudreau vs Drouin and thought that was a bit one sided. I believe this is a much better comparison. Out of these two, who will have the better future, if they both reach their potential? They're both small guys with great offensive capability

Gaudreau

2013-14 Boston College Hockey East
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2012-13 Portland Winterhawks WHL
71GP 46G/74A/120P

Both are at 2ppg as of posting this (well Petan's 2 points shy but same thing...). I have no clue whether it's harder to score in college or the CHL though.


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Much harder to score in college. Just fyi.

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Petan in his 17 year old year: 120 points in 70 WHL games.
Gaudreau in his 17 year old year: 72 points in 60 USHL games

Petan in his 18 year old year: 92p in 47 WHL games
Gaudreau in his 18 year old year: 44 points in 44 NCAA games.


Petan is tracking ahead as the younger player. He's probably going to repeat as WHL scoring leader this year too. Not to mention there's a big difference between a 5'9 player and a 5'7 one. Both have size issues, but how many sub 5'9 players actually make the NHL?

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02-11-2014, 09:41 PM
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gaudreau. i see petan as a potential sam gagner. petan has great numbers but a lot of players come out of portland with crazy numbers

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Both are at 2ppg as of posting this (well Petan's 2 points shy but same thing...). I have no clue whether it's harder to score in college or the CHL though.
The WHL has an NHLE of .30 compared to the NCAA at .41 (based on Behind the Net), so putting up the same numbers in the NCAA should theoretically convert to a higher production in the NHL.

http://www.behindthenet.ca/projecting_to_nhl.php

Obviously this isn't going to be entirely accurate, but it does make for interesting comparisons.

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Petan in his 17 year old year: 120 points in 70 WHL games.
Gaudreau in his 17 year old year: 72 points in 60 USHL games

Petan in his 18 year old year: 92p in 47 WHL games
Gaudreau in his 18 year old year: 44 points in 44 NCAA games.


Petan is tracking ahead as the younger player. He's probably going to repeat as WHL scoring leader this year too. Not to mention there's a big difference between a 5'9 player and a 5'7 one. Both have size issues, but how many sub 5'9 players actually make the NHL?
Sorry. I only used there latest two years cause I didn't want to type as much. IMO, the fact that Gaudreau has the same PPG as Petan in a league that is apparently much harder to score in says wonders about Gaudreau, taking nothing away from Petan

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02-11-2014, 09:50 PM
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I think both are similar. Sam Gagner is a pretty good comparable as their ceiling for both, a smaller skilled player who put up big junior numbers (2.22 PPG in his draft year)

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Gaudreau has little in common with Gagner. They're both undersized and play hockey that's about it.

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Gaudreau has little in common with Gagner. They're both undersized and play hockey that's about it.
Both undersized playmakers, pretty similar. Not every NHL player is identical to another player

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Both undersized playmakers, pretty similar. Not every NHL player is identical to another player
I wouldn't exactly classify the current collegiate leader in goal scoring as a "playmaker". To this point Johnny Hockey has shown a far more prolific ability to score goals at the levels he has played at.

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Tough call. Petan is doing better at his age than Gaudreau was, however Gaudreau has improved at a rate far beyond most prospects, even higher end ones (that is to say, I wouldn't expect Petan to improve as greatly year-to-year as Gaudreau has), and he's pushing the upper limit of production in the NCAA.

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I wouldn't exactly classify the current collegiate leader in goal scoring as a "playmaker". To this point Johnny Hockey has shown a far more prolific ability to score goals at the levels he has played at.
JG is also playing in his draft year +3, Gagners numbers are from his draft year, being much younger

In his draft year, Gagner scored 35 goals in 53 games (.66 goals per game), while JG was scoring at a .47 gpg in his draft+1 year (in USHL in his draft year)

Ill give JG some leeway as he didnt have Pat Kane as a team mate (but did have Krieder), and did it in college, which is a bit tougher than OHL (but JG was a year older)

They had roughly similar goal scoring ability in Junior at similar ages

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JG is also playing in his draft year +3, Gagners numbers are from his draft year, being much younger

In his draft year, Gagner scored 35 goals in 53 games (.66 goals per game), while JG was scoring at a .47 gpg in his draft+1 year (in USHL in his draft year)

Ill give JG some leeway as he didnt have Pat Kane as a team mate (but did have Krieder), and did it in college, which is a bit tougher than OHL (but JG was a year older)

They had roughly similar goal scoring ability in Junior at similar ages
Gaudreau did not play with Kreider.

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02-12-2014, 12:46 AM
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Gaudreau and it ain't close. He's treating the NCAA like a beer league.

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JG is also playing in his draft year +3, Gagners numbers are from his draft year, being much younger

In his draft year, Gagner scored 35 goals in 53 games (.66 goals per game), while JG was scoring at a .47 gpg in his draft+1 year (in USHL in his draft year)

Ill give JG some leeway as he didnt have Pat Kane as a team mate (but did have Krieder), and did it in college, which is a bit tougher than OHL (but JG was a year older)

They had roughly similar goal scoring ability in Junior at similar ages
As stated below, Johnny didn't play with Kreider. He played sheltered top six minutes on the second line and second PP unit.

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JG has been rested frequently this year too. Sat on PP's and the third period in blowouts. He could easily have 70 points by now.

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JG has been rested frequently this year too. Sat on PP's and the third period in blowouts. He could easily have 70 points by now.
Any particular reason why?

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Any particular reason why?
From what I have gathered Jerry York is preparing for life without the likes of Gaudreau, Arnold, and Hayes and as such is giving the longer term players in the program a larger opportunity when a goal is not necessarily needed.

Only 17% of Johnny's production this year has come while on the man advantage. When you consider the fact that he has a 10 point lead over anyone else in the nation... that is a simply incredible statistic.

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JG has been rested frequently this year too. Sat on PP's and the third period in blowouts. He could easily have 70 points by now.
This is such an absurd rumor going around. The only time he doesn't participate on a pp is if they're up 5/6-0 late in the 3rd period. At times, the Gaudreau-Arnold-Hayes line will go on 2nd on the pp if they have just come off the ice before the penalty. He usually sees 2-30 second shifts on the pk and I've never seen his line skipped at the end of a game even in a blowout. Up 6-0 against Merrimack on Friday he was still seeing a consistent shift.

Also, I think his strongest asset is his playmaking skills so don't kill whoever said that before. For the record, he's leading the nation in both goals (25) as well as assists (33), hence his substantial lead in pts.

Anyways, never seen Petan play, so not a clue on the current argument.

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I'd rather roll the dice on Gaudreau. If he makes it he'll probably make it big.

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I like them both, and I believe both will actually carve out good careers for themselves.

I like Gaudreau a little more because of what he is doing at the NCAA level. Players have scored at a 2ppg rate in the CHL (even in the WHL - Baertschi did), but it has been a much longer time since this happened in the NCAA. If you follow BC, it becomes even more 'amazing' as you see how they utilize Gaudreau - they will sit his line if they are ahead, hasn't been used much on the PP (though it is ramping up a bit).

Being the 'loser' in this poll means nothing. I think they are relatively close to one another. I think they will both be very good top-6 players in the NHL.

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Voted both, I think they both have excellent shots at being top six stars in the NHL.

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Based on NHL equivalencies (source: http://www.behindthenet.ca/projecting_to_nhl.php).

Draft year:
Gaudreau (USHL) - 1.2 ppg (NHLE n/a)
Petan (WHL) - 1.69 ppg (NHLE 0.51 ppg)

Draft year +1:
Gaudreau (NCAA) - 1.0 ppg (NHLE 0.41)
Petan (WHL) - 1.96 ppg (NHLE 0.59)

Age is also a very significant factor in projecting points. According to the article, on average a 17 year old will retain 72% of his Junior scoring rate 4 years later in the NHL. A 20-year old only retains only 26% of his Junior scoring rate at the NHL level.

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Gaudreau and it ain't close. He's treating the NCAA like a beer league.
So are two of his teammates.

Boston College (NCAA):

Gaudreau - 2.0 ppg
Hayes - 1.66 ppg
Arnold - 1.45 ppg

Portland (WHL):

Petan - 1.96 ppg
Leipsic - 1.57 ppg
Bjorkstrand - 1.55 ppg

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