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07-21-2013, 08:00 PM
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Having season tickets to the ice dogs and watching the kid every night....He's going to be a good player but not elite. If he plays on Tavares wing, I can see him hitting 70 points in the future. Just not sure if the Islanders view him as a winger or a center behind JT.

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07-21-2013, 08:22 PM
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This is true, but their comparative junior-aged stats are pretty much all we have to judge so far.

When projecting their futures however the main argument against Scheifele has been that he wasn't as physically strong, yet Scheifele has also displayed huge gains in that area since he began working out with Gary Roberts at season-end. He looked pretty much phenomenal in the Jets prospect development camp a few days ago. Just because a bunch of fans have voted Strome the better prospect thus far does not necessarily mean he will eventually prove the superior player in the end.

Yeah, so what is happening here, is that you are Jets fan and you've taken the opportunity to try and side track a thread on Strome to a discussion of the merits of your own team's top prospect.

Strome is a nice prospect. From what little I've seen of him, I think he needs to bulk up some and I worry if he has that extra gear as far as skating. But, he does have a chance to be a real impact player and he is certainly the best prospect in the Isles system right now.

I really can't say whether he is top five, better than other kids drafted that year, etc. The main point to me is that he is a really nice prospect and where he is ranked is probably more about the team that somebody happens to root for.

I do think the idea that 90 points in the OHL doesn't mean anything is silly. And, as others have pointed out, putting up those numbers as a 19 YO is a decent accomplishment.

I hope the Isles let him spend a year in the AHL bulking up, but I do believe he will turn out to be the right player to have drafted at that spot, even though others (like Scheffe, Hamilton, etc) will also turn out great.

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07-21-2013, 10:13 PM
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Yeah, so what is happening here, is that you are Jets fan and you've taken the opportunity to try and side track a thread on Strome to a discussion of the merits of your own team's top prospect.
What actually happened here is that a question was posed by the OP wondering when Strome became overrated.

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When did he become so overrated?
I then offered an example of how he is indeed overated when viewed against a prospect of the same age, one that played one less year of junior hockey mind you - yet during the regular season scored at a similar PPG rate to Strome and also vastly outperformed Strome in the playoffs.


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07-21-2013, 10:50 PM
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What actually happened here is that a question was posed by the OP wondering when Strome became overrated.



I then offered an example of how he is indeed overated when viewed against a prospect of the same age, one that played one less year of junior hockey mind you - yet during the regular season scored at a similar PPG rate to Strome and also vastly outperformed Strome in the playoffs.
And, like I said, you are quite clearly a Jets fan trying to build up your own team's prospects.

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07-21-2013, 11:34 PM
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And, like I said, you are quite clearly a Jets fan trying to build up your own team's prospects.
That's a terrible assumption. I'm a Canucks fan but Scheiefle is far better than Strome. Far better of a prospect overall. Strome is flashy, and while he's still a very good prospect he has been quite underwhelming since getting drafted. Strome needs a few years seasoning where as Scheifle is NHL-ready.

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07-22-2013, 12:01 AM
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Its not a terrible assumption it happens to be true. This thread is about Strome, and the earlier poster sidetracked it to Scheffe because he is a Jets fan.

That doesn't mean a objective person couldn't rate Scheffe higher. Heck, I am not personally making any claims about rank order. I think they are both nice prospects who have a chance to be NHL players. I have no opinion whatsoever about which guy is better .

Anyway, I frankly think you missed the point. I am not blasting him for rating Strome below his guy because some pros who I respect feel the same way. I do think he had an agenda in bringing his guy up though.

And I also think it is nonsense that Strome has been meh since the draft. He was excellent last season.

And, yes I am aware that the name is spelled wrong. Too lazy to fix it.


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07-22-2013, 07:51 AM
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An alternative view would be that one performed well when it counted while the other did not.
Strome has had some pretty good moments for Hockey Canada, no?

The thing that's interesting about all of this is that Strome's career as a prospect has gone basically according to plan. He came out of the draft labeled as a boom or bust prospect, but that wasn't really fair. Certainly, he was a projection in many ways because the fact that he was so young and wasn't as developed physically. There were legitimate criticism about his defensive ability, and his willingness to get his nose dirty. Since then, he's bulked up at a reasonable rate, and shored up his weaknesses. What's the problem?

I guess the problem is that he didn't show an additional gear like he did in the transition between his 1st and 2nd year of junior. This is true. And so if his 'hype' was based on the idea that his development curve would remain as steep, well, then it was unwarranted.

Of course, if Strome's curve had remained as steep, he wouldn't be a top-10 or 15 prospect. He'd be the runaway #1. As it is, what he's done is transform himself from a risky prospect to a safe one. He's not a project, he's pretty easily project-able. He's not a 'franchise' player. I haven't seen many people project him to be a franchise player. But he's a very skilled, very smart young player who has the advantage of fitting his situation very well.

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07-22-2013, 08:11 AM
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I think it's flat out ridiculous to even think about calling Strome a bust at this point.

I have always been high on him. He definitely needed some time to fill out after being drafted. But given the other pieces the Isles have up front I see no reason why he couldn't slot in nicely as a top-6 forward this season or next. Play him with JT and he could peak at 70pts, have him anchor a line and he could be a solid 60pt+ player.

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07-22-2013, 08:26 AM
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I honestly feel Strome will be like a Daniel Briere at best... At worst a better two way version of Michael Grabowski

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07-22-2013, 09:39 AM
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I agree that Strome is a bit overrated relative to others here on HF.

For example, Strome often finishes ahead of Scheifele here in prospect voting despite that Scheifele finished the regular season with a similar PPG; Scheifele only finished markedly below Strome in regular season points because Scheifele spent some time in the NHL and played fewer OHL games as a result.

Yet in the playoffs this past season Strome only managed a pedestrian 2 goals and 1 assist over 5 games and was a minus 4. Scheifele conversely put up 15 goals and 26 assists and was a +18 player over 21 games to lead the league in playoff scoring.

http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/s...s/ls_season/48

So yeah, Strome has been a bit overrated here in my view.
Strome's PPG has been better than Scheifele's every year.

And comparing playoff stats between a guy on a team that lost in the 1st round and a guy on a team who made it to game 7 of the OHL finals is ludicrous.

I really don't get the criticism of Strome - he's a great player, he'll be fine in the NHL. He's not going to steal the 1c spot from Tavares or anything...but no one expects him to. Islanders fans are lucky to have him.

If anything, Scheifele is the overrated player, imo...but that's another thread.

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07-22-2013, 09:48 AM
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Can't wait to see Strome on Tavares' RW. I honestly couldn't even put a cap on his ceiling if that ends up happening.

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07-22-2013, 10:55 AM
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Strome's PPG has been better than Scheifele's every year.

And comparing playoff stats between a guy on a team that lost in the 1st round and a guy on a team who made it to game 7 of the OHL finals is ludicrous.

I really don't get the criticism of Strome - he's a great player, he'll be fine in the NHL. He's not going to steal the 1c spot from Tavares or anything...but no one expects him to. Islanders fans are lucky to have him.

If anything, Scheifele is the overrated player, imo...but that's another thread.
All I did was answer the OP's question of how Strome was overrated relative to others in my own opinion; there was no overt criticism involved whatsoever. If I'd said for example that Strome's defensive game is relatively weaker, that would be a critique. All I did however was point to some numbers. Speaking of that, you mentioned that Strome's PPG was better than Scheifele's but failed to include that over this past regular season it was barely marginally better, perhaps fractionally would be a better term. You also failed to include their relative playoff PPGs' into the equation.

Scheifele finished with a similar regular season PPG and a vastly better playoff PPG this past season, yet for some reason Strome is consistently voted the better of the two here. One could argue that those votes overrate Strome somewhat relative to Scheifele for example, which was kind of the point.

I'm sure both will turn out to be fine players though.

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07-22-2013, 12:04 PM
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Scheifele finished with a similar regular season PPG and a vastly better playoff PPG this past season, yet for some reason Strome is consistently voted the better of the two here. One could argue that those votes overrate Strome somewhat relative to Scheifele for example, which was kind of the point.
There were three major factors that decreased Strome's scoring as the season went on: (i) He lost Dougie Hamilton, which really hurt the team, (ii) He lost Theoret, his LW (to Barrie), and (iii) he missed several games with a bruised foot and it took him a little while to get back up to speed. But it's hard to find an example of a CHL player who carried his team more than Strome this past season.

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07-22-2013, 12:14 PM
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Can't wait to see Strome on Tavares' RW. I honestly couldn't even put a cap on his ceiling if that ends up happening.
Got to agree.

If Strome is with Tavares, I could see JT getting 100+ points and Strome PPG or so

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Having season tickets to the ice dogs and watching the kid every night....He's going to be a good player but not elite. If he plays on Tavares wing, I can see him hitting 70 points in the future. Just not sure if the Islanders view him as a winger or a center behind JT.
This season there is an open spot next to JT on rw. Next summer could find an open spot on JT's lw, depending on Moulson's contract demands.

From Snow's comments, it sounds like the isles have penciled the 6'4 Brock Nelson into Aucoin's 3rd line spot, after a yr in Bridgeport.
Snow said he is leaning toward giving Strome 40 games in the ahl, but if Strome plays well enough in camp to force them to keep him, he'll stick.

Strome has been a offseason workout buddy with Tavares and before Moulson's marriage, I read Moulson was part of the offseason workout crew. I am looking forward to seeing Strome on Tavares wing.

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Ryan Strome patiently waiting for an opportunity

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good read, well done...


I cant wait until Strome comes into his own...such a skilled and talented kid...

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still think he's the next jeff carter

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In yesterday's fanchat, Staple reported that Strome is playing center at Bridgeport.

Below is another Strome article.

http://www.soundtigers.com/ViewArtic...CLID=209284034

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10-18-2013, 09:34 AM
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still think he's the next jeff carter
How is Strome like Jeff Carter?

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Strome should be pretty close to a call-up at this point. He's at 25 points(7G/18A) on the year in 20 games. Something like 9 points in his last 6. Had a good weekend scoring 5(3G/2A) in the 3 games.

He's been Bridgeport's best player to this point, by far. Now that the Isles' secondary scoring has disappeared, I'm assuming that Strome will be making his NHL debut shortly.

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still think he's the next jeff carter
I'll take that, including the 40 goal season. Had 26 goals in 48 games last year. I don't think Strome is the goal scorer Carter is, he's way better at setting guys up than Carter is. Really don't see the comparison (Carter is way bigger), though, 2 completely different types of players, Carter the sniper, Strome the passer. I'd be happy with similar results.

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Strome should be pretty close to a call-up at this point. He's at 25 points(7G/18A) on the year in 20 games. Something like 9 points in his last 6. Had a good weekend scoring 5(3G/2A) in the 3 games.

He's been Bridgeport's best player to this point, by far. Now that the Isles' secondary scoring has disappeared, I'm assuming that Strome will be making his NHL debut shortly.
My hopes were that Strome and Lee would mimic Nelson's and Niederreiter's first season at Bridgeport. And despite Bridgeport being so terrible, they've pretty much done as well as Nelson and Niederreiter did, at this point of the season.

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My hopes were that Strome and Lee would mimic Nelson's and Niederreiter's first season at Bridgeport. And despite Bridgeport being so terrible, they've pretty much done as well as Nelson and Niederreiter did, at this point of the season.
Not sure what the plan was with Strome prior to the season, but I don't see how they keep him down if nothing changes at the NHL level. Especially with Regin being as invisible as he has, and with how useless the 2nd PP unit has been.

I think Staple tweeted yesterday about how the Isles were scouting/watching Strome this weekend. That tells me they are at least contemplating calling him up.

BTW, Strome AHL player of the week: http://theahl.com/strome-named-ccm-a...e-week-p188941

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Not sure what the plan was with Strome prior to the season, but I don't see how they keep him down if nothing changes at the NHL level. Especially with Regin being as invisible as he has, and with how useless the 2nd PP unit has been.

I think Staple tweeted yesterday about how the Isles were scouting/watching Strome this weekend. That tells me they are at least contemplating calling him up.

BTW, Strome AHL player of the week: http://theahl.com/strome-named-ccm-a...e-week-p188941
I absolutely HATED the Regin signing. He brings absolutely nothing to the table, never has. BUT, maybe it was good for Strome to spend a couple of months down at the AHL level.

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