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10-18-2010, 08:26 AM
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Semi-OT: Something odd that I've always thought about..

Anyone else think it's a little sad that Mathieu Garon has his name on the cup, when Sabu and Conklin were such huge parts of this team? It just seems unfortunate that we had 2 backup goalies that played huge parts in the success of the team over 2 successful seasons, and yet only Garon who was never really a true part of the team, has his name on the cup? It's just something that seemed unfortunate for our past goalies.

I don't know why I'm posting this now, but it's something that's bugged me for the longest time.

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10-18-2010, 08:29 AM
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Yeah well what about MT?

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take easy bro.

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By your insane logic, Hossa should have his name on the Cup for us too.

Conklin had nothing to do with the Cup victory, considering he was playing for the Wings that whole season.

Be thankful he was here and instrumental in getting the team experience, but every season is a new season and it's really reaching to say a player who didn't suit up a single game for the Pens that year deserved his name on the Cup.

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I'm not saying they should have their names on the cup, I'm just saying it's sad that they aren't. Sabourin should never have been traded.

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10-18-2010, 09:05 AM
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I can see a sentimental case for Conklin, but Sabourin?

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I'm not saying they should have their names on the cup, I'm just saying it's sad that they aren't. Sabourin should never have been traded.
Why? Sabourin was not good when he was here. He was not going to be our backup netminder. And he didn't exactly tear it up last year either. I really don't get this obsession with mediocre players here.

Conklin had, I repeat, nothing at all to do with the Cup team. In fact, like Hossa, he was our competition. He left because he, like Hossa, wanted something we couldn't give him. Why should I pity him because he wanted more playing time and salary? Good for the guy to get that, but I still see no reason why I should pity him. In fact, **** him, for being the guy who got the Wings to the playoffs in the first place.

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10-18-2010, 09:08 AM
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I can see a sentimental case for Conklin, but Sabourin?

Sabourin played around 20 games, Garon played like, maybe once in the regular season and half a period in the finals?

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Sabourin played around 20 games, Garon played like, maybe once in the regular season and half a period in the finals?
And was terrible. I feel more bad for Zigomanis than either of them combined.

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10-18-2010, 09:13 AM
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And was terrible. I feel more bad for Zigomanis than either of them combined.
Agreed, but Zigomanis does have his name on the cup. I'm just sayin', Garon wasn't even a part of this team really, and he'll be able to tell his grandkids that he won a Stanley Cup. Just seems unfortunate that he was the lucky backup, when there were 2 backups who played a lot in 2 trips to the finals. Sabourin played 43 games here. Just saying it's bad luck on his part. And I don't remember him being that bad either.

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10-18-2010, 09:22 AM
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Sabourin played around 20 games, Garon played like, maybe once in the regular season and half a period in the finals?
Sounds like two different arguments. I can see thinking Garon kind of lucked out, but he is no better/worse or really had no more/less impact that Sabourin.

Conklin at least left some tangible evidence of his time here that impacted the team. MAF has credited being able to watch Conklin handle the puck during Conk's starting streak and MAFs ankle injury for helping him improve (at least for a short period of time) that aspect of his game. I can't remember anything Sabourin did.

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10-18-2010, 09:35 AM
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Hmmmm. Nope... I think it's pretty clear all signs point to "no, it's really not sad." Sorry. I am glad you got to vent so now you can move on. I hope you don't handle your personal relationships this way. Keeping stuff pent up is bad.

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i'd take Garon over the other two any day. but thats how the chips fall sometimes.

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i'd take Garon over the other two any day. but thats how the chips fall sometimes.
You will take Garon over Conklin?

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10-19-2010, 01:35 AM
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Garon played five games with us...lol

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i'd take Garon over the other two any day. but thats how the chips fall sometimes.
Garon over Conklin?

In fact...

Conklin has not played below 2.51 (matching back to back GAA with Pens and Wings back to back seasons [although he played more games with Pitt]) since his 5 game stretch with Buffalo in 06-07 and put up a 2.48 last year on St. Louis.

Even at his age he is still easily a 20-25 starter and would most likely have a decent record.

Conklin FAR > Garon...

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10-19-2010, 03:40 AM
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I feel bad Sabu didn't get his name on the Cup. He contributed more than Garon that year. Sabu wasn't completely terrible that year either. He actually started that season great and really helped the team gets some wins early, but then Fleury got banged up a little, Sabu all the sudden had to be the man and play every night and he got exposed. Some people may want to keep that lessen in mind with Brent Johnson right now.

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I feel bad Sabu didn't get his name on the Cup. He contributed more than Garon that year. Sabu wasn't completely terrible that year either. He actually started that season great and really helped the team gets some wins early, but then Fleury got banged up a little, Sabu all the sudden had to be the man and play every night and he got exposed. Some people may want to keep that lessen in mind with Brent Johnson right now.

Brent Johnson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sabourin

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As regards the whole Garon 'debacle', he was brought in at a time where Fleury played poorly and Sabourin was no longer close to getting the job done as a back-up.

Fleury came back to form and played well enough that Garon hardly ever got a start (three starts, two wins). Whether this had anything to do with Garon being sterner competition than Sabourin.... it is impossible to know. We just know that post-Conklin god-like hockey Fleury had his strongest spell of consistently great goal tending ever.

Perhaps if Johnson's present heroics spur Fleury into greatness again we can say that it isn't all coincidence. As for Sabourin.... my tears are dry.... and I think we will survive the loss of that draft pick also. Saying that though, it wasn't one of the deals we will look back on fondly when trying to argue that Shero is a fantastic GM.

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I can see a sentimental case for Conklin, but Sabourin?

My thoughts exactly!

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And was terrible. I feel more bad for Zigomanis than either of them combined.
Hell, I still think Chris Minard deserved to get his name on.

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10-19-2010, 05:36 PM
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for those of you calling me out about Garon over Conklin it is strictly personal reasons. i like the way Garon plays i probably should of stated this in my original post.

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I'm a bit unsettled by the lack of love for Joel "The Answer" Kwiatkowski in this thread.

On a serious note, I actually completely forgot that Garon was ever on this team.

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It's a travesty that Letestu and Johnson never got their names on the cup!

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I'd rather they put the cotton candy guy's name on the Cup then Sabourin if he had still been on the roster.

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