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10-20-2010, 08:23 AM
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10-20-2010, 09:34 AM
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You seem to be under the impression that Jay Bouwmeester is a Redden or Finger. He is Calgary's #1 defenseman. He plays the 10th most minutes in the league. The idea that Calgary actually wants to get rid of his contract just because he's not putting up 40 points - totally off base.

I understand where you're coming from - but I just thought that if you are paying a guy "elite" money and he's not performing, and the team is struggling Sutter might be willing to listen.

And listen - I'm actually a J-Bo fan. I don't think that he has to be blasting guys through the boards to be effective. My main point though is that if you're paying a d-man $6.7M to be your teams #1 (aka - gets PP time & 24-25+ min/game), he has to produce more than 3g & 25a or he has to be an intimidating SOB to play against.

Because IMO what you're describing is a 2nd pairing guy who is getting paid almost $7M. Maybe a team like CHI with a lot of young underpaid talent could get by with that last year and still be successful, but I don't think a team like the Flames can do the same. Maybe I'm wrong.

Regardless of value, I think that Sutter is unlikely to make this type of deal. He's pretty much bet his job on the current team, and moving another core piece for some spare parts (even if also gets a nice prospect & 1st round DP) is a recipe for disaster in the short term IMO.

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10-20-2010, 09:34 AM
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I was actually going to suggest this. There are almost no good one-for-one trades for Jay because of his salary.

He is overpaid by at least 2 mill per year on a very long term contract. He is not truly elite, just very good. Sounds like a description of Horcoff to me.
Are you telling me you think Jay is worth ~$4.7 million a year?

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10-20-2010, 09:40 AM
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Are you telling me you think Jay is worth ~$4.7 million a year?

If J-Bo's offense doesn't come around - is he worth any more than Anton Volcheknov, Zybnek Michalek or Paul Martin? All 3 guys just signed long term deals for between $4.5-5M.

Michalek's a real good comparison IMO. A guy who can log a lot of minutes, plays a really smart game, is sound positionally, but isn't a physical brute and won't put up big offensive numbers.

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10-20-2010, 09:47 AM
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I was actually going to suggest this. There are almost no good one-for-one trades for Jay because of his salary.

He is overpaid by at least 2 mill per year on a very long term contract. He is not truly elite, just very good. Sounds like a description of Horcoff to me.
Wait,
When did Horcoff get 'very good'?

I wasn't told, and still have him penciled in as 'completely awful'

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10-20-2010, 09:48 AM
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If J-Bo's offense doesn't come around - is he worth any more than Anton Volcheknov, Zybnek Michalek or Paul Martin? All 3 guys just signed long term deals for between $4.5-5M.

Michalek's a real good comparison IMO. A guy who can log a lot of minutes, plays a really smart game, is sound positionally, but isn't a physical brute and won't put up big offensive numbers.
I don't want to look like I'm living in the past (and I'm a Pens fan) but Michalek's personal best is 28 points. J-Bo has had 40+ points 3 times in his career so far, including 2 15-goal seasons when Michalek has yet to score 10. J-Bo isn't Doughty but he has better offensive upside than Michalek.

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10-20-2010, 10:03 AM
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I don't want to look like I'm living in the past (and I'm a Pens fan) but Michalek's personal best is 28 points. J-Bo has had 40+ points 3 times in his career so far, including 2 15-goal seasons when Michalek has yet to score 10. J-Bo isn't Doughty but he has better offensive upside than Michalek.
While I agree - the premise of my post is that J-Bo's offense doesn't return to his career averages based on the first sentence of my post.

I think it's pretty apparent that if J-Bo is putting up 15g & 45-50 points while playing solid D for 25 min/game that he's earning his money. However, if he's stuck in the 3-5g & 20-25a while be solid defensively, that's about a $4.5-5M player IMO.

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10-20-2010, 10:23 AM
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hmmmm value of Bouwmeester

Wade Redden?

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10-20-2010, 10:44 AM
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I really can't see any situation where Calgary trades him.

He's overpaid, but he logs a ton of minutes and would be pretty difficult to replace for the Flames. Maybe if they go into a big funk and decide to blow the entire team up...but that's about the only way I could see this happening.

They'd have an easier time trading someone like a Regehr.

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6.7 for a rock solid defensive dman with a pinch of offensive talents along with the character of a rock

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6.7 for a rock solid defensive dman with a pinch of offensive talents along with the character of a rock
People with DUI's don't really have the character of a rock.

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People with DUI's don't really have the character of a rock.
He meant personality of a rock.

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People with DUI's don't really have the character of a rock.
yeah, nobody knows that better than Oiler fans.

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Michael Ryder
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I'd do that, but I can't see Calgary being interested.

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Michael Ryder
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Boston's 2011 1st

I'd do that, but I can't see Calgary being interested.
Bostons 1st rounder or Torontos? because that could change things IMO

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10-20-2010, 03:39 PM
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from a leafs prospective cause of the cap hit u would have to overpay to get him out of there (which you obvi dont want to do) imo he is kinda like Cambell in Chicago where he is an elite player with a high cap hit
Campbell has lived up to his contract by filling his role he was signed for and he has been an allstar + key part of Cup team and is a better player then Bouwmeester

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10-20-2010, 03:40 PM
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Campbell has lived up to his contract and is a better player then Bouwmeester
Of course you think that, But it proves nothing.

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Are you telling me you think Jay is worth ~$4.7 million a year?
Not a ton more than that, given what he's shown. Is he really worth any more than Hamhuis or Ehrhoff at this point? I really don't see it. He's a solid two-way defenseman with zero leadership qualities, that's it.

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10-20-2010, 04:46 PM
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Posters are really overvaluing Bouwmeester in this thread. He is the most unmovable contract in the league. He isn't worth three million a year due to his play. He is a seven million dollar cap hit for 3 more years. If he was an UFA right now I doubt he would even get an offer for 3 million per, or for a term longer than a single year. He pretty much flat out sucks defensively and offensively... turn over machine softy.

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Posters are really overvaluing Bouwmeester in this thread. He is the most unmovable contract in the league. He isn't worth three million a year due to his play. He is a seven million dollar cap hit for 3 more years. If he was an UFA right now I doubt he would even get an offer for 3 million per, or for a term longer than a single year. He pretty much flat out sucks defensively and offensively... turn over machine softy.


just pure...



JayBo is not worth what he gets paid, but you are insane.

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10-20-2010, 04:54 PM
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just pure...



JayBo is not worth what he gets paid, but you are insane.
Who are you trying to fool. I watched Bouwmeester play a minimum of fifty games last season and every game this year. He sucks!!! He isn't going anywhere...

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I don't want Jay-Bo moved.

He does all the little things right on defense, even if he's not putting up points that some of you on this board seem to live and die by.

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Who are you trying to fool. I watched Bouwmeester play a minimum of fifty games last season and every game this year. He sucks!!! He isn't going anywhere...
yikes...


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I don't want Jay-Bo moved.

He does all the little things right on defense, even if he's not putting up points that some of you on this board seem to live and die by.
Like shy away from any physical contact all night long or turn over the puck a minimum of 4 times a game? Hes just a bad player in all three zones.

Tell me about some of the little things you like that Bouwmeester does on defence?

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