There is no set in stone prospect ranking order that stays permanent.
Prospect rankings change as the players develop. It's possible that 3 months ago Weber was below some of the guys you mentioned -- and all of sudden he has turned a corner which now makes him higher.
Unless of course you saw something that nobody else did -- to me he seemed like a kid playing amongst men... If that's not the case anymore than yes he should be ranked higher.
Confidence? Wich leads to learning your strenghts at the next level? And growing as player?
Nah that cant be... The guy is smart i am sure he will be ready next year he already lookef way better in preseason.. Didnt look intimidated... Should i recall Streit become a force middle 20's like swedish players in general i think maturation in weber case will make him on day a dangerous defenseman. Choosing and capitalizing on his openings/opportunities.
Confidence? Wich leads to learning your strenghts at the next level? And growing as player?
Nah that cant be... The guy is smart i am sure he will be ready next year he already lookef way better in preseason.. Didnt look intimidated... Should i recall Streit become a force middle 20's like swedish players in general i think maturation in weber case will make him on day a dangerous defenseman. Choosing and capitalizing on his openings/opportunities.
He's one of the two fairly highly rated Habs prospects I just don't see becoming a NHL regular. I'm aware it's early, but this is just my future projection. I hope I'm wrong, heck I hope in the future someone quotes this post and laughs at me but in almost every game I've seen Weber play (be it with the Kitchener Rangers, Hamilton Bulldogs, Swiss National team in the Oympics, preseason/regular season with the Habs) it just looks to me as if he's too weak to handle the tougher competition, skill, speed, of the NHL. Even in his last year in the OHL when quite a few people even suggested he was on par if not better than Subban because of the numbers he was putting up there and in the WJCs, I just didn't see it translating to the NHL. The announcers on Sportsnet even suggested he was so poised that he may be ready to jump from the OHL to the NHL. But in the same game, you can see in the D zone, he has trouble with big players and when put in high pressure situations. Even in the O-zone, when he's against tougher competition it's almost as if he's intimidated leading to bad decisions. I guess it all depends if you find his Olympic and NHL performances completely omissible because he wasn't ready for the level of play. To be honest, I don't really mind if a young player plays bad in his NHL stint. I just want to see those couple flashes here and there where you see he can one day make it if he can develop on whatever skill he showed. I didn't see that in Weber, all that happened was my negative opinions/expectation of him from junior and in the AHL got some affirmation for at the very least having a little validity. I'm far from a scout but I don't I'm the only one that feels Weber might not have what it takes to take his game to the NHL level.
With that said, I think this start is pretty promising and it is common to see prospects have things 'click' right after training camp. Defensemen also tend to find their game a bit later and he's still on his entry level contract. Perhaps he's starting to take his game to the next level?
Confidence? Wich leads to learning your strenghts at the next level? And growing as player?
Nah that cant be... The guy is smart i am sure he will be ready next year he already lookef way better in preseason.. Didnt look intimidated... Should i recall Streit become a force middle 20's like swedish players in general i think maturation in weber case will make him on day a dangerous defenseman. Choosing and capitalizing on his openings/opportunities.
Like I said, it's a positive sign, but means nothing. Many players put up crazy numbers over a 3 game stretch. It doesn't solidify him as a top prospect or even create any movement within the Habs own depth charts.
I never said he would never make the NHL or anything of that nature. I happen to think he will, but I was of that opinion before these 3 games.
He's one of the two fairly highly rated Habs prospects I just don't see becoming a NHL regular. I'm aware it's early, but this is just my future projection. I hope I'm wrong, heck I hope in the future someone quotes this post and laughs at me but in almost every game I've seen Weber play (be it with the Kitchener Rangers, Hamilton Bulldogs, Swiss National team in the Oympics, preseason/regular season with the Habs) it just looks to me as if he's too weak to handle the tougher competition, skill, speed, of the NHL. Even in his last year in the OHL when quite a few people even suggested he was on par if not better than Subban because of the numbers he was putting up there and in the WJCs, I just didn't see it translating to the NHL. The announcers on Sportsnet even suggested he was so poised that he may be ready to jump from the OHL to the NHL. But in the same game, you can see in the D zone, he has trouble with big players and when put in high pressure situations. Even in the O-zone, when he's against tougher competition it's almost as if he's intimidated leading to bad decisions. I guess it all depends if you find his Olympic and NHL performances completely omissible because he wasn't ready for the level of play. To be honest, I don't really mind if a young player plays bad in his NHL stint. I just want to see those couple flashes here and there where you see he can one day make it if he can develop on whatever skill he showed. I didn't see that in Weber, all that happened was my negative opinions/expectation of him from junior and in the AHL got some affirmation for at the very least having a little validity. I'm far from a scout but I don't I'm the only one that feels Weber might not have what it takes to take his game to the NHL level.
With that said, I think this start is pretty promising and it is common to see prospects have things 'click' right after training camp. Defensemen also tend to find their game a bit later and he's still on his entry level contract. Perhaps he's starting to take his game to the next level?
Sadly I agree with you. I think in order for Weber to solidifiy a spot at the NHL level he has to bring something that can't be found in our pool. He needs to be good enough that he beats out NHL regulars. Do I think he has that in him now? Not really. Do I think he may in a year or two? Perhaps, I think Subban being the starchild that he is really put Weber down, and got his confidence lower, seeing the Big Dog Star rising to the top in just his first AHL season.
Weber needs to step it up a notch, and increase his intensity imo to the level where Palushaj, Pyatt, White has shown this training camp. Weber didn't rattle any cages, or impress anyone with his performance imo, and He has quite the ladder to climb to get back up. I still think he can be a top 6 D man with Power Play quarterback skills, like a Babchuk type of player or something. I hope he turns it around for the sake of our D pool or else he might find himself on the opposite end of a trade. I could see a team like the Isles, or Vancouver being interested in the young swiss.
He's one of the two fairly highly rated Habs prospects I just don't see becoming a NHL regular. I'm aware it's early, but this is just my future projection. I hope I'm wrong, heck I hope in the future someone quotes this post and laughs at me but in almost every game I've seen Weber play (be it with the Kitchener Rangers, Hamilton Bulldogs, Swiss National team in the Oympics, preseason/regular season with the Habs) it just looks to me as if he's too weak to handle the tougher competition, skill, speed, of the NHL. Even in his last year in the OHL when quite a few people even suggested he was on par if not better than Subban because of the numbers he was putting up there and in the WJCs, I just didn't see it translating to the NHL. The announcers on Sportsnet even suggested he was so poised that he may be ready to jump from the OHL to the NHL. But in the same game, you can see in the D zone, he has trouble with big players and when put in high pressure situations. Even in the O-zone, when he's against tougher competition it's almost as if he's intimidated leading to bad decisions. I guess it all depends if you find his Olympic and NHL performances completely omissible because he wasn't ready for the level of play. To be honest, I don't really mind if a young player plays bad in his NHL stint. I just want to see those couple flashes here and there where you see he can one day make it if he can develop on whatever skill he showed. I didn't see that in Weber, all that happened was my negative opinions/expectation of him from junior and in the AHL got some affirmation for at the very least having a little validity. I'm far from a scout but I don't I'm the only one that feels Weber might not have what it takes to take his game to the NHL level.
With that said, I think this start is pretty promising and it is common to see prospects have things 'click' right after training camp. Defensemen also tend to find their game a bit later and he's still on his entry level contract. Perhaps he's starting to take his game to the next level?
Would be pretty immature if somebody did do that. I mean maybe if the guy turned out to be better than Subban for ***** and giggles....
But everyone is entitled to their own predictions and shouldn't be made fun of unless those predictions were entirely outside the scope of reality.
Weber is a prospect who hasn't made the permanent jump yet, what you're saying is entirely possible, I just don't agree with it. I think he'll make it, maybe not for us though. I think it might be one of those trades where we get burned.
I found him to be very impressive in the pre-season. The first thing I noticed is that he looks like much more of a complete d-man. And these are the same comments I'm hearing out of Hamilton. I am encouraged.
We'll know more by end of the week. Games thursday, friday and sunday I believe.
what will 3 ahl games tell us, he is a 3rd year pro playing on what should be one of the top teams in the AHL again so he should put up points but it's what he does in the NHL that matters as he's already ripped up the AHL in the past.
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I found him to be very impressive in the pre-season. The first thing I noticed is that he looks like much more of a complete d-man. And these are the same comments I'm hearing out of Hamilton. I am encouraged.
I didn't see all the preseason games, I thought he didn't look very good aside from one game. But last year management told him to work on his defensive game and he did, just that his offensive game went to the crapper for most of the year, which is odd considering how impressive his shot is.
what will 3 ahl games tell us, he is a 3rd year pro playing on what should be one of the top teams in the AHL again so he should put up points but it's what he does in the NHL that matters as he's already ripped up the AHL in the past.
I didn't see all the preseason games, I thought he didn't look very good aside from one game. But last year management told him to work on his defensive game and he did, just that his offensive game went to the crapper for most of the year, which is odd considering how impressive his shot is.
In the last 2 pre-season games he played he was actually good. His last one was really nice from what I remember and we finally saw his offensive flair at the (somewhat) NHL level. He was supporting the attack, going for the backdoor a bit, and unleashing his cannon of a shot.
The guy has a big offensive upside. I can't see how he can't do at least as good as MAB at the NHL level, and I expect more from him. Seems to me like a real #4-6 defenseman PP specialist potential.
Also, he would benefit a LOT from being paired with someone better at the NHL level. He's always been paired with guys that just can't make up for his mistakes (last year when he came early in the season he was paired with Gill who was ATTROCIOUS back then) defensively. I would really like to see him paired with a Gorges or Hamrlik and see if he really looks as bad defensively.
what will 3 ahl games tell us, he is a 3rd year pro playing on what should be one of the top teams in the AHL again so he should put up points but it's what he does in the NHL that matters as he's already ripped up the AHL in the past.
I meant...considering he only played 3 games right now, by end of week it's double the sample size. 6 games isn't a huge sample to begin with, but 3 is even worse. The only reason this would matter to begin with, is people want to see if he has a stronger year than last year, which is reasonable.
Offensive capabilities was never really a question for him. It's his defensive game that needed a **** load of work. His biggest issues were his strength, positioning and decision making.
Offensive capabilities was never really a question for him. It's his defensive game that needed a **** load of work. His biggest issues were his strength, positioning and decision making.
Are you talking about Spacek because his offense is terrible as well
ended up 2nd star. SO loss - no bulldog could score. M.Pac looked pretty brutal all night.
We didn't watch the same game, that was Pac's best game so far. He was taking the body, had a huge hit and it was his work that set up the 3rd goal. If Pacioretty played that physical for the Habs, I wouldn't care if he never scored a goal.
We didn't watch the same game, that was Pac's best game so far. He was taking the body, had a huge hit and it was his work that set up the 3rd goal. If Pacioretty played that physical for the Habs, I wouldn't care if he never scored a goal.
I didn't see all the preseason games, I thought he didn't look very good aside from one game. But last year management told him to work on his defensive game and he did, just that his offensive game went to the crapper for most of the year, which is odd considering how impressive his shot is.
If you're getting drilled about "playing defense" in the pre-season, sometimes it takes some time for a guy to get comfortable in his own end before he returns to offense.
To me that was how Weber was playing most of the pre-season, though his last game (I think) was quite impressive.
We didn't watch the same game, that was Pac's best game so far. He was taking the body, had a huge hit and it was his work that set up the 3rd goal. If Pacioretty played that physical for the Habs, I wouldn't care if he never scored a goal.
looked like he was running around aimlessly, could barely stand, and couldn't handle the puck or a pass worth crap.
couldn't make out much on the last goal (the boys were standing at the bench and i was sitting on just the other side) so i won't question that.
Through three games, Yannick Weber is playing like a guy who doesn't want to be in the AHL for very long.
He has 7 points in 3 games (3 goals, 4 helpers) and is a +3. That's 9th in AHL scoring, despite having played half as many games as most the other teams.
It's only three games, but I have two questions:
- Anyone who is actually watching the games have an update on him? Is he playing as well as the stats indicate?
- If he's really this hot, perhaps we should bring him back to see if it helps the PP? At least until Markov is healthy...
Anyway, just curious. It's only three games, so I'm not going to get carried away, but encouraging to see!
