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06-08-2004, 05:43 AM
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Next year lines-fill in the blanks

Gagne, Roenick, Carter
(Speedy FA),Zhamnov, Drozdetsky
(Eager? ufa John Madden ?),Primeau, Rado
Brashear or Kane, Handzus, Somik or Sharp
If Roenick retires:
Gagne, Zhamnov, Drozdetsky
(?Madden?) , Handzus, Carter
(Eager?),Primeau, Rado
Brashear or Kane, Sharp, Somik


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Gagne, Roenick, Carter
(Speedy FA),Zhamnov, Drozdetsky
(Eager? ufa John Madden ?),Primeau, Rado
Brashear or Kane, Handzus, Somik or Sharp
If Roenick retires:
Gagne, Zhamnov, Drozdetsky
(?Madden?) , Handzus, Carter
(Eager?),Primeau, Rado
Brashear or Kane, Sharp, Somik

If we have Carter, Droz, Eager and/or Kane in the lineup...We ain't going nowhere.

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06-08-2004, 08:52 AM
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Gagne/Zhamnov/Roenick
Recchi/Handzus/Carter
Radio/Primeau/Kapanen
Brashear/Sharp/Somik

If Roenick Retires:

Gagne/Zhamnov/ UFA--Glen Murray
Recchi/Handzus/Carter
Radio/Primeau/Kapanen
Brashear/Sharp/Somik

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06-08-2004, 09:08 AM
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Gagne/Zhamnov/Roenick
Kapanen/Handzus/Carter
Radio/Primeau/Rolston or Madden
Brashear/Sharp/Somik

If Roenick Retires:

Gagne/Zhamnov/Glen Murray
Kapanen/Handzus/Carter
Radio/Primeau/Rolston or Madden
Brashear/Sharp/Somik

If Kapanen retires, resign Rechhi to reduced terms.

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06-08-2004, 09:39 AM
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Gagne/Roenick/Just somebody
Kapanen/Handzus/Carter
Radio/Primeau/Sharp
Brashear/Somik/Fridge

If Roenick Retires:

Gagne/Zhamnov/Just somebody
Kapanen/Handzus/Carter
Radio/Primeau/Sharp
Brashear/Somik/Fridge

Like any of us have a real clue. Nothing will be known until the a new CBA is established and we find out who is retiring

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06-08-2004, 03:37 PM
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(?Madden?)

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You don't think there is a chance Richards could make it to the line-up?

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You don't think there is a chance Richards could make it to the line-up?
If Fedoruk could?

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And i take it everyone has resigned themselves to the fact that LeClair isn't going to be here next year either

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If we have Carter, Droz, Eager and/or Kane in the lineup...We ain't going nowhere.
I wouldn't mind that actually, sure me may not be a top team for a few years, but when those kids mature into real players, we'll be good again

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these are what i would like to see for next season (assuming kapanen really retired, leclair and amonte are gone)

gagne-zhamnov-roenick (skill line)
carter-primeau-recchi (skill line)
rado-handzus-brashear (size line)
sharp-richards-ruzicka (youth line)

i like this because there are still a healthy amount of veterans 5 to be exact, while you would be integrating youth into the mix with the 4th line and letting players develop at their own pace maybe putting carter on the 4th line and rolling 4 lines. if the lines were like this if the 4th line produced it could get more ice time and if it didnt the team could go with a more 3 line approach with the 4th getting about 12-13 mins of ice time to rest the older players, it would be nice to have young legs on the ice that can stay out there longer and rejuvenate faster

my first choice on wing with primeau and recchi would be kapanen so there would be a kapanen-primeau-recchi line and then make line of Richards/sharp-carter-ruzicka/sharp, let the kids fight out a roster spot and whoever plays better stays on the roster whoever isnt in the starting lineup goes to the phantoms

these are my ideal lines:
gagne-zhamnov-roenick (skill line)
kapanen-primeau-recchi (skill line)
rado-handzus-brashear (size line)
Richards/sharp-carter-ruzicka/sharp (youth line)

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I think we'll see Eager before we see Ruzicka, just my opinion

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Gagne - Zhamnov - Guerin
Somik - Handzus - Roenick
Brashear - Primeau - Kapanen
Fedoruk - Sharp - Radivojevic

Malakhov - Markov
Ragnarsson - Johnsson
Pitkanen - Desjardins

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06-08-2004, 10:18 PM
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I will just stick with the F


Gags - Zhamnov - JR
Sharp - Zues - Rex
Radio - Prims - Sami
Kane/Somik/Law - Weimer - Brash

If Sami retires then a UFA or they may eat their words with Amonte.
If Droz comes over then he may take a wing spot depending on his level of play but that seems a long shot at this time.

I think you would get alot out of Sharp on a good line.

As extra F you have Fedoruk.

Gags/Sharp/Radio/Kane keep the youth going and the next year would see at least one more young wing in Eager or Ruzicka and at least one of our two center prospects.


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you guys think Boyd Kane will be a player?

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06-09-2004, 12:19 AM
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Here's the way I see it

Guys who are gone:
Leclair
Amonte
Handzus- just my opinion, I'll get to it later
Kapanen- I love him and I hope he's back

assuming that, here's the lines

Gagne-Zhamnov-Recchi
Carter/UFA-Roenick-Handzus trade
UFA-Primeau-Branko
Brash-Sharpe-Lapointe/Fedoruk/who cares

The flyers need a winger who can score and someone to replace Leclair and Amonte (shouldn't be too tough). The flyers can deal Handzus either to Edmonton in a deal for Smyth or to Florida in a deal for Huselius + #7 pick for Handzus + ?. Primeau should remain in the checking roll, that's where he excells. If Carter's ready, you can give him a shot on a scoring line with a savvy veteran in Roenick and the newly acquired player. For the third line, Madden would be great, but probably more than the flyers would want to spend. A guy like a Konowalchuk or even a Chris Simon would be a solid player on the third line. If the flyers can find a good young winger for Zus and pick up a solid UFA or have Carter develop, the offense should be improved. There is a lot of room for improvement as Leclair and Amonte added very little to the offense, especially in the playoffs.

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Re:

>>you donít think Richards could make it to the line-up

He could if we donít sign Zhamnov or if we trade Handzus.
We canít place to much reliance on the rookies all at once.



>>Think Boyd Kane will be a player

Yes if Kaps leaves and they are short of LWís and canít sign UFA John Madden then either Eager or Kane might be good defensive forwards for the checking line unless they feel Eager can be the power forward that can take over Leclairs spot which I I doubt because people canít see him getting 20 Goals.
I guess this depends on Recchi returning as well since he would be a candidate for the second line LW spot if one of the Rookie RWers make the team (Ruz or Droz).

Someone get Droz on those protein power shakes so he can bulk up and be ready by the next season. *L*
Iím dying to see how heíd play with Zhamnovís skills.

P.S> what do you guys see in Fedoruk besides hitting and fighting? I think we gave him time to develope and it hasnít happened-move on.

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Here are my lines

Gagne-JR-? UFA...trade...perferably a skiled speedy winger.
Carter-Handzus-Rex
Kaps-Primeau-Branko
Brash-Sharpe-Somik

Rags-Johnson
Markov-Desjardins
Pitkanen-UFA...perferably An Adrian Aucoin type.

Now if Carter is only going to get limited time as a 4th liner, I would rather him go back to jrs....If he is good enough at camp to hold down a spot on line 1 or 2, let him stay.

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I think we'll see Eager before we see Ruzicka, just my opinion
I totally agree with this. The style of game he plays translates pretty easily to 4th line fill in duty once someone gets hurt. He has size and is a fast skater, but also very good at taking the body. In fact it would not surprise me if he is this years Boyd Kane, a guy that Hitch just doesn't want to send down to the Phantoms. It would not surprise me if he was the shocker to make the roster out of camp. He has to make his own destiny long term about the type of player he can become, whether it is a checking line forward, or a scoring power forward.

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I totally agree with this. The style of game he plays translates pretty easily to 4th line fill in duty once someone gets hurt. He has size and is a fast skater, but also very good at taking the body. In fact it would not surprise me if he is this years Boyd Kane, a guy that Hitch just doesn't want to send down to the Phantoms. It would not surprise me if he was the shocker to make the roster out of camp. He has to make his own destiny long term about the type of player he can become, whether it is a checking line forward, or a scoring power forward.
He's Ben Eager!!! This guy will be lucky if he's a regular top liner on the Phamtoms

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Most of you have far too many kids in the lineup. You are going to see one or two at the most added that have never played for the Flyers.

Why?

1. Ken Hitchcock isn't here to bring up kids in a rebuild.

2. Ed Snider isn't about to let the team be in a rebuild.

3. Flyers fans, no matter what they say about wanting a rebuild won't stand for it.

The team had a real chance to rebuild before the trade to get Lindros. They mortgaged that to bring him here. In retrospect, they wouldn't do that again, but they still wouldn't have stayed with a rebuild. They would have continued making trades to contend. Hitchcock has a few more years on his contract. He's a Stanley Cup coach, not an AHL/Junior wannabe.

Now, we all realize we won't see the same team on the ice next year that we saw this year. So within reason there will be changes.

If Clarke can swing something with LeClair and/or Amonte, he will. But can he? A lot depends on what the cap rules are. Clarke isn't going to just buy them out if that money is credited against the cap. The money "saved" won't buy players to plug into the holes created. What he will do is attempt to use it as leverage to get them to lower their contracts. If that doesn't allow them to be traded then they will stay on the team, much to our chagrin.

Recchi will be back. Hitchcock praised him highly during the playoffs for his ability to get other players to buy into his system, and to get the idea across to the other players as to why a game was lost. The players respect Recchi and what he has to say. That is valuable to a coach. Besides, who wouldn't bring back a guy who scored 25 goals/75 points, who was the team's MVP, for the mere $2.5 million Recchi is quite possibly willing to play for? Who could replace him for that little money?

The thread was locked that had the infomation in it that JR has been asked to submit a list of team's he'd be willing to play for because the guy didn't provide proof that he actually talked to Rick Curran. Hmmm, tough to prove. However, Curran does live in the area, and I know I'm guessing at this, but I'm pretty sure he comes into contact with real live living breathing people. JR also makes quite a bit of change. Possibly too rich for a team that had a payroll as high as the Flyers, and might not be able to rid itself of the players it really wants to rid itself of. Add to that the fact that JR and Hitchcock really don't get along and the story is believable. Legit? Who knows. But it is believable.

I think Kapanen is serious about staying in Finland next year. He took a hell of a beating in the playoffs. As much as he wanted to play defense in the beginning, he made comments at the end that it was tougher than he thought.

That is 4 (not counting Rex since I am very sure he'll be here) possible players leaving the team, but I don't think all 4 will really leave.

I think they want to see if Carter can play in the NHL. During an off day - non-mandatory practice -, they had him skating with Recchi. Coaches have used Recchi many times in the past to see what other players can do on a line with him. Isn't he a center though, and not a winger? I don't think you move a kid to wing unless you really feel he will play better there long term - like Gagne.

There simply won't be a rebuilding with kids. Not in Philly - cap or no cap.

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Most of you have far too many kids in the lineup. You are going to see one or two at the most added that have never played for the Flyers.

Why?

1. Ken Hitchcock isn't here to bring up kids in a rebuild. .
True but HItch has to do what ownership wants

Quote:
Originally Posted by Overtime
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Ed Snider isn't about to let the team be in a rebuild..
Sinder strongly hinted at rebuilding on DNL two weeks ago.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Overtime
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Flyers fans, no matter what they say about wanting a rebuild won't stand for it...
Like there is a real difference. As a Flyer's fan I will not stand for the "status quo" Either win or rebuild. This teasing us sh#t has to go!!!


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There simply won't be a rebuilding with kids. Not in Philly - cap or no cap.
We will see. I doubt that there will be a total rebuilding but the Flyers will be a lot younger next season and yes, the cap will play a major role. How can it not?

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Buy-out or trade Leclair and Amonte, this frees up about 15 mil' of cap room. Let Zhamnov walk... I like him, but I can't really trust him over a full season. Let Malakhov walk, same reason as Zhamnov. Re-sign Primeau at all costs. Hope that Kappy stays. Hope that Recchi will sign for a bit less than 5 mil', maybe 3.5ish for 1 year with an option or something. Sign Glen Murray, this guy is GOLD... perfect fit for the Flyers: size, decent wheels and scoring touch.

Gagne-Roenick-Murray
Kapanen-Primeau-Recchi
Brashear-Handzus-Somik
Radivojevic-Carter-Lapointe (please let him come back)
Extra: Fedoruk, Kane

Desjardins-Johnsson
Ragnarsson-Pitkanen
Markov-Seidenberg
Extra: Timander?

Esche
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I hope to see two of the young guys make the team - hopefully Carter and Richards. Not too confident Eager will ever be any good...

Worst case - Kapanen, Roenick, Leclair, Amonte, Zhamnov all gone.

Then what do we do???

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you guys think Boyd Kane will be a player?
no.
Kane only makes it on the big club due to injuries. and with Carter,Richards,Eager,Ruzicka and possibilly Droz next season i dont ever want to see Kane skating for the Flyers again
ever.

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