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10-20-2010, 03:19 PM
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Yes it is; Allen is definitely overpaid.
In the new NHL, a defenseman with limited offensive upside shouldn't be worth that much. Especially considering Allen's role on the team. He's not even on our "shutdown pairing" (Weaver/Garrison) right now.

He's not worth over 3 mill per year.
If he's a defensive top 4 d-man who puts up around 20 points, then I think he's worth approximately what he's making.

Even if he is overpaid as you say, by your argument, he's overpaid by only a couple hundred thousand. That's hardly a reason to dump his contract.

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I really hope that that's not the case.
I mean, if it is the case, I hope there's a discount involved
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However, considering his yearly offensive #'s, McCabe might get a similar contract, and that would be horrible. He's being paid like a #1 defenseman, and he's not a #1 defenseman.

I don't understand why they'd be so eager to re-sign McCabe, while Vokoun hasn't even been mentioned as a possibility to play here beyond this year.
Yes its only if they can sign him at a discount to what he's currently being paid (not his cap hit). I had the same reaction when GR stated thats what he's seeing but then clarified that only at a much reduced rate. With how McCabe is still producing offensively, I'm not sure he'd take a deep discount to stay here and with the limited depth in the free agent market, he may get a decent contract in the $3-4M range.

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I think it's very important that we either resign Vokoun or trade him at the deadline. We can't afford to NOT get maximum value for a top player once again while we are rebuilding.

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Allen, Weaver, Reasoner
yep. also might keep vokoun for another year if there isnt a sweetheart deal.

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yep. also might keep vokoun for another year if there isnt a sweetheart deal.
He's a UFA over the summer. While he's the standard when it comes to being a professional, there's no guarantee he'd resign here, especially if it didn't look like we were on our way to being a winning team. I think Vokie gets so little credit compared to what he deserves and I'm sure he hears it too. In Nashville he was a fan-favorite and everyone loved him, whereas down here we've been spoiled with great goalies and people were quick to blame Vokie when some softies found their way into the nets over the past few seasons.

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I'd like one or two of the names above given a two year contract extension in near future because that instills confidence into them as veteran players, and I think they would give off a better reflection of themselves if they had that job security and knew they were likely hanging around here for awhile to help mold the young kids (remember anything can happen in professional sports,so nothing is written in stone).

It's a toss up between McCabe and Allen at this point. It might come down to dollar figures,but one likely has to go if Panthers are going with Wideman and Weaver moving forward.

I need to see more out of Weaver before I judge him. I feel some of you who are praising him already are working with a VERY small sample size of his work here.

Reasoner seems to be a unamious decision,and why not. Cheap,effective at both ends to start the season and can win a boatload of faceoffs (which has been one of the Panthers achilles heel in the past few seasons).

Funny how Dvo was left out of many people's pre-season lines,now all of a sudden he is/has been the "ideal" 3rd/4th liner...I can see people turning on him just as quick as they jumped off of him this past summer.

The hot start of Vokoun to start this season is so intriguing. How he goes is how this team will go this season.

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10-20-2010, 05:36 PM
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Way too early for this thread. If we're out of the playoffs near the trade deadline then we trade as many of them as possible. This can't be answered now.

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Weaver is signed through 2012...

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Its never too early as the org is already thinking about re-signing McCabe if it can. Again, I dont think you can just limit it to this season either...but for building a team, identify which veterans would be more valuable to keep than possibly to trade or not re-sign. I think you see a consistent list of 4 players (Reasoner, Dvorak, Weaver, Allen) being the guys to re-sign and/or not trade with a possible 5th in Vokoun. Even if the bottom falls out and the Panthers go into suck mode again, it doesnt hurt to identify a few guys that you want to keep around to help rebuild and lead the young players.
I get what you're saying, but if we are out of the playoffs at the deadline then obviously we'll be moving a lot more of these guys than we would if we were in a playoff race. It depends on the situation we're in, there's no way to say who we should or should not keep right now. For example, if we're out of it, then Vokoun and Dvorak should be traded. IMO. If we're in the race though, then not only should they not be traded but we should seriously explore re-signing them. Allen and Weaver won't go anywhere anyway most likely so they are staying put, no-brainer.

I hope GR is wrong about that Caber thing, even if he puts up a lot of points, he's getting older and we are going in a different direction...we already have Allen, Wideman, and Weaver as vets on defense. If they re-sign Caber then that means they are basically giving Ellerby the cold shoulder. Unless they plan on making him the 8th D. I know he's our captain, but they have to decide which direction they are going in. Even if we make the playoffs, I still think he should go. Ellerby will most likely be waiver eligible next training camp, so if he's not going to be at least part of your top 7, then you probably trade him for what you can get.

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10-20-2010, 10:07 PM
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I get what you're saying, but if we are out of the playoffs at the deadline then obviously we'll be moving a lot more of these guys than we would if we were in a playoff race. It depends on the situation we're in, there's no way to say who we should or should not keep right now. For example, if we're out of it, then Vokoun and Dvorak should be traded. IMO. If we're in the race though, then not only should they not be traded but we should seriously explore re-signing them. Allen and Weaver won't go anywhere anyway most likely so they are staying put, no-brainer.
In your example (where we're out of it), I would disagree on trading Dvorak. Sure, a rebuilding team could use the assets gained by trading a vet like Dvorak. But I think it would better serve the organization to retain him and trade someone else instead. See thats where it gets tricky...everyone keeps trying to say, "it all depends on where we are in the standings" and I say it doesnt matter *mostly*. Identify the players that are more valuable to your organization to retain than to trade and/or not re-sign. More often than not though, it will be a very thin line and *could* depend on the standings. However, I feel like there are several vets that it really doesnt matter where we are in the standings and could be moved (like Stillman and Reinprecht). And conversely, regardless of where we are in the standings, I think both Reasoner & Dvorak should be kept and re-signed (so long as they're contract demands arent unreasonable). As far as Allen and/or Weaver, just because they have 2 yrs remaining on a contract doesnt make them unmoveable. I could see Allen being traded at the deadline if the return is really good, it usually is for top 4 d-men.
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I hope GR is wrong about that Caber thing, even if he puts up a lot of points, he's getting older and we are going in a different direction...we already have Allen, Wideman, and Weaver as vets on defense. If they re-sign Caber then that means they are basically giving Ellerby the cold shoulder. Unless they plan on making him the 8th D. I know he's our captain, but they have to decide which direction they are going in. Even if we make the playoffs, I still think he should go. Ellerby will most likely be waiver eligible next training camp, so if he's not going to be at least part of your top 7, then you probably trade him for what you can get.
I hope he's wrong too but I questioned him about that twice and he said the same thing each time. Again, it really will depend on what Caber wants in terms of salary. I dont think the Panthers would offer more than $2.75M to him. And I agree with you that I'd rather give Ellerby the shot now as he seems to finally be ready to make an impact in the NHL. Then again, as I mentioned above, Allen could just as easily be traded too and McCabe re-signed. I'd rather he wasnt retained but again the speculation is that the team would like to re-sign him at a discounted rate.

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He's a UFA over the summer. While he's the standard when it comes to being a professional, there's no guarantee he'd resign here, especially if it didn't look like we were on our way to being a winning team. I think Vokie gets so little credit compared to what he deserves and I'm sure he hears it too. In Nashville he was a fan-favorite and everyone loved him, whereas down here we've been spoiled with great goalies and people were quick to blame Vokie when some softies found their way into the nets over the past few seasons.
I think this goes back to the debate between anderson and vokoun. Im still under the impression that we should have signed anderson to a long term contract and traded vokoun a couple of years ago. Anderson has proven himself as a starter. Nonetheless, vokoun is an awesome goalie who gets paid A LOT of money. The new NHL has also proven that the patick roy's and martin brodeur's of the league are not necessary to win a stanley cup. (I believe Anderson is a free agent this summer?)

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10-21-2010, 02:37 PM
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In your example (where we're out of it), I would disagree on trading Dvorak. Sure, a rebuilding team could use the assets gained by trading a vet like Dvorak. But I think it would better serve the organization to retain him and trade someone else instead. See thats where it gets tricky...everyone keeps trying to say, "it all depends on where we are in the standings" and I say it doesnt matter *mostly*. Identify the players that are more valuable to your organization to retain than to trade and/or not re-sign. More often than not though, it will be a very thin line and *could* depend on the standings. However, I feel like there are several vets that it really doesnt matter where we are in the standings and could be moved (like Stillman and Reinprecht). And conversely, regardless of where we are in the standings, I think both Reasoner & Dvorak should be kept and re-signed (so long as they're contract demands arent unreasonable). As far as Allen and/or Weaver, just because they have 2 yrs remaining on a contract doesnt make them unmoveable. I could see Allen being traded at the deadline if the return is really good, it usually is for top 4 d-men.
I disagree. If we miss the playoffs, I don't see the point in bringing all these guys back. If it was me, I'd go with youth and clear as much salary and roster space as possible to bring in one guy who could add some pop to the top two lines. I wouldn't expect a star, but maybe someone decent.

Like I said, Reasoner is the only one I would bring back regardless of our position in the standings at the end of the year. Reasoner is a great bottom six center who wins faceoffs, bring grit and size, etc. Those guys aren't that easy to find. Guys like Dvo are very replacable. Plus, how many defensive specialists will we need? Bring in the youth, if we are trending young then let's get on with it. Stillman I don't expect back in any scenario, however I don't see any takers for Reino so I expect him back. It's not worth it to buy him out. The only scenario I see Allen traded is at the deadline. If it's in the summer, I don't really see it. Teams can try to sign a guy like him for free. His salary isn't bad, but then again it isn't good either. I jut don't look at him and see a high probability of being traded. And especially if we make the playoffs, we won't trade him because he brings much needed toughness and leadership. He's been an A here forever. Even if we don't make the playoffs, he's a guy I'd want to keep around and probably extend for a couple years also. That depends on how he fares this season, but so far so good. Big physical D like him who are solid in their own zone are nice to have. He brings it every night, I don't see a pressing need to trade him. Caber, however....

Weaver doesn't make much sense to trade as he is a steal at his price.

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I hope he's wrong too but I questioned him about that twice and he said the same thing each time. Again, it really will depend on what Caber wants in terms of salary. I dont think the Panthers would offer more than $2.75M to him. And I agree with you that I'd rather give Ellerby the shot now as he seems to finally be ready to make an impact in the NHL. Then again, as I mentioned above, Allen could just as easily be traded too and McCabe re-signed. I'd rather he wasnt retained but again the speculation is that the team would like to re-sign him at a discounted rate.
Yeah, I just don't get that. I don't really see Allen being shopped. If they do and want to re-sign Caber, that's just dumb.

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So this has been on my mind since early in the preseason from a question I asked GR via a game chat. And everyone knows that Tallon is planning to build mostly from within. But every good GM knows you need to have some veteran talent to help lead the youngsters. No offense to guys like Booth, Weiss, Higgins, etc who have played a few yrs in the league but they cant be the only vets.

And I'm not just asking who do you trade at the deadline if the team is out of the playoff race. I'm asking who are the guys you would want to keep around by either not trading or re-signing them when their contract expires. Here's the guys I would identify as veterans who could be moved or not retained and generally will be over 30 yrs old:

Stillman
Reinprecht
Dvorak
Reasoner
Hordichuk
McCabe
Allen
Weaver
Vokoun
Clemmensen
I would trade as many of those guys as I could. Allen and Weaver would have to be for the right deal since they are good value and are still under contract for next season. The rest we should try and deal.

I'd even be willing to move Weiss for the right price, but it would have to be a really good deal.

We need to get younger, and those guys can all be replaced. We lost with them, and we can lose without them too.

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yep. also might keep vokoun for another year if there isnt a sweetheart deal.
I hope not. We need to get something for him and turn the team over to Markstrom. If Markstrom isn't ready yet it won't be hard to find a stop gap goalie for 1 season (like Niemi).

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I hope not. We need to get something for him and turn the team over to Markstrom. If Markstrom isn't ready yet it won't be hard to find a stop gap goalie for 1 season (like Niemi).
"Like Niemi"...who wishes he was half as good as Vokoun.

At least a Niemi/Clemmensen combo with this team would guarantee us the top pick for the next 2-3 years, which is more than likely when Markstrom will be fully ready to be a consistent, starting NHL goalie, if all pans out.

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Dvorak, Weaver, Reasoner....Vokoun and Allen ONLY if cheaper.

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I disagree. If we miss the playoffs, I don't see the point in bringing all these guys back. If it was me, I'd go with youth and clear as much salary and roster space as possible to bring in one guy who could add some pop to the top two lines. I wouldn't expect a star, but maybe someone decent.
Understandable but then again, Tallon is about building a team where everyone is held accountable and you have to earn your job. If any of those young guys havent earned that spot already, it doesnt make sense to just clear a roster spot for them. Thats what happened with Grabner so I doubt Tallon is going to change his tune in that regards.
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Like I said, Reasoner is the only one I would bring back regardless of our position in the standings at the end of the year. Reasoner is a great bottom six center who wins faceoffs, bring grit and size, etc. Those guys aren't that easy to find. Guys like Dvo are very replacable. Plus, how many defensive specialists will we need? Bring in the youth, if we are trending young then let's get on with it. Stillman I don't expect back in any scenario, however I don't see any takers for Reino so I expect him back. It's not worth it to buy him out. The only scenario I see Allen traded is at the deadline. If it's in the summer, I don't really see it. Teams can try to sign a guy like him for free. His salary isn't bad, but then again it isn't good either. I jut don't look at him and see a high probability of being traded. And especially if we make the playoffs, we won't trade him because he brings much needed toughness and leadership. He's been an A here forever. Even if we don't make the playoffs, he's a guy I'd want to keep around and probably extend for a couple years also. That depends on how he fares this season, but so far so good. Big physical D like him who are solid in their own zone are nice to have. He brings it every night, I don't see a pressing need to trade him. Caber, however....
I totally agree about Reasoner for now as no one in the system is close enough to replace him. And yes while Dvo may be replacable in some aspects...he provides character, leadership, and is still faster than many of our young guys (all traits that Tallon likes in his players). Again, this goes back to Tallon's plan to create competition for roster spots...unless a youngster has proven he's ready to replace Dvorak, dont trade him just to free up a spot. Anyway just keep that aspect in mind when evaluating the vets and saying they should/shouldnt be moved because we're going with youth. So far the only young guys that have been even close to proving they deserve spots right now (that arent regulars) are Ellerby & Gudbranson, with Repik as a possibility too.
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Weaver doesn't make much sense to trade as he is a steal at his price.
Agreed but then again, he would also have a lot of value in a trade too for a contending club that doesnt have a lot of cap space. Just imagine if you could get a prospect and a 2nd round pick for him at the deadline...you'd have to consider that right?
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Yeah, I just don't get that. I don't really see Allen being shopped. If they do and want to re-sign Caber, that's just dumb.
Well as you admitted early, Ellerby is either gotta be on the team or traded next season. Considering that Ellerby provides a similar game to Allen, that could make him a potential option to be shopped. I dont necessarily see Allen being shopped but then again, before last season, I wouldve said the same thing about Ballard too. Well McCabe provides a certain skillset compared to the other guys currently on the roster so thats what I'm guessing as the reason to keep him.

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I still don't see why this team wants to keep McCabe. Someone already brought up earlier that Allen has worn an "A", so it's not like McCabe is the only leader and we have to keep him. McCabe's also 35 now (while Allen is only 29), and who knows how much longer he has before his game starts to slip. And we already have two good offensive d-men in Wideman and Kulikov.

Especially when Gudbranson and potentially Ellerby might win spots next year, I don't see much of a case for keeping McCabe unless he has an outstanding season.

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Understandable but then again, Tallon is about building a team where everyone is held accountable and you have to earn your job. If any of those young guys havent earned that spot already, it doesnt make sense to just clear a roster spot for them. Thats what happened with Grabner so I doubt Tallon is going to change his tune in that regards.


I totally agree about Reasoner for now as no one in the system is close enough to replace him. And yes while Dvo may be replacable in some aspects...he provides character, leadership, and is still faster than many of our young guys (all traits that Tallon likes in his players). Again, this goes back to Tallon's plan to create competition for roster spots...unless a youngster has proven he's ready to replace Dvorak, dont trade him just to free up a spot. Anyway just keep that aspect in mind when evaluating the vets and saying they should/shouldnt be moved because we're going with youth. So far the only young guys that have been even close to proving they deserve spots right now (that arent regulars) are Ellerby & Gudbranson, with Repik as a possibility too.
A spot was cleared for Grabner, it was his to lose and he lost it to Santorelli. You have to clear spots for your young prospects, otherwise they will never make the team. The Oilers and Canes did just that, just as examples. We also did it with Matthias. I'm not saying clear 6 spots. I'm just saying clear maybe 1-2, and if we get someone like Couturier or RNH then clear one more. We've got Repik, Dadonov, McArdle, and Duco up front that will be either ready or nearly ready. Also, McFarland, Wilson and Howden could really push for a spot. Out of that group, at least 2 guys will be ready. If Tallon wants to build from within, then he should get a start on it. There's plenty of competition from within that group. If the unthinkable happens and you don't have enough of those guys ready, then the last 2 years have shown that decent bottom six forwards can still be signed/traded for during preseason/training camp. It wouldn't be a big deal to fill those spots.

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Agreed but then again, he would also have a lot of value in a trade too for a contending club that doesnt have a lot of cap space. Just imagine if you could get a prospect and a 2nd round pick for him at the deadline...you'd have to consider that right?
If we could get a 2nd and a prospect, hell yes I'd consider it. But while he probably does have good value because of his contract, I don't think he has that much value. Not yet, at least. Right now I'm thinking more along the lines of a 3rd rounder, in which case I'd rather keep him.

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Well as you admitted early, Ellerby is either gotta be on the team or traded next season. Considering that Ellerby provides a similar game to Allen, that could make him a potential option to be shopped. I dont necessarily see Allen being shopped but then again, before last season, I wouldve said the same thing about Ballard too. Well McCabe provides a certain skillset compared to the other guys currently on the roster so thats what I'm guessing as the reason to keep him.
It would, if they re-signed Caber. But for some reason that just still seems wrong to me. I know GR has talked about it, I've seen it, I just can't believe they'd be that dumb. I get why they'd like to have him back at a reduced price, he isn't terrible defensively and he's our perennial leading scorer on the blueline. But again, if we are building from within, then you have to go with the youth. Yes, we may take a step back offensively on the blueline but if we're building with a longterm outlook then you have to trust that Kulikov and Garrison will fill that void eventually, and Wideman is a pretty good offensive D as well. And if it came down to Caber vs. Allen, I'd keep Allen. Who knows, maybe they would keep Caber. But I don't have to like it.

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A spot was cleared for Grabner, it was his to lose and he lost it to Santorelli. You have to clear spots for your young prospects, otherwise they will never make the team. The Oilers and Canes did just that, just as examples. We also did it with Matthias. I'm not saying clear 6 spots. I'm just saying clear maybe 1-2, and if we get someone like Couturier or RNH then clear one more. We've got Repik, Dadonov, McArdle, and Duco up front that will be either ready or nearly ready. Also, McFarland, Wilson and Howden could really push for a spot. Out of that group, at least 2 guys will be ready. If Tallon wants to build from within, then he should get a start on it. There's plenty of competition from within that group. If the unthinkable happens and you don't have enough of those guys ready, then the last 2 years have shown that decent bottom six forwards can still be signed/traded for during preseason/training camp. It wouldn't be a big deal to fill those spots.
Well I looked back at GP's thread on the Revolving Doors of Change from earlier this offseason to just check out how many spots were actually opened up. It seemed that yes only that 1 spot was opened up for either Santorelli or Grabner. What I found more interesting is that out of the 11 spots that I saw turnover from last yr, only 2 full-time spots were actually filled from within the org (Garrison, Matthias). So even if any of the current vets are traded, its only likely going to open up 1 spot for anyone inside the org. Here's how I saw it:
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Dominic MooreShawn Matthias
Jordan LeopoldJason Garrison
Dennis SeidenbergMike Weaver
Keith BallardDennis Wideman
Nathan HortonChris Higgins
Greg CampbellMarty Reasoner
Victor OreskovichSteve Bernier
Kamil KrepsMike Santorelli
Nick TarnaskyByron Bitz
Steve MacIntyreDarcy Hordichuk
Its worth watching but Higgins hasnt gotten on the scoreboard yet so he could be traded at the deadline this yr. And there's the obvious where Stillman isnt going to be coming back I think so there's your 1-2 spots plus there's always a chance that Hordichuk isnt retained. Then you can give spots to Repik & Duco (only guys that appear NHL-ready) and have an open spot up for competition or for Couturier/RNH/draftee. I would not expect McFarland, Wilson or Howden to make the roster next season.
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If we could get a 2nd and a prospect, hell yes I'd consider it. But while he probably does have good value because of his contract, I don't think he has that much value. Not yet, at least. Right now I'm thinking more along the lines of a 3rd rounder, in which case I'd rather keep him.
Some teams get desparate at the deadline, especially the contenders with limited cap space. We got a 2nd from Boston for Seidenberg along with Bitz. Sure Weaver isnt on the same level as Seidenberg but maybe a team would give up a 3rd and a good player for Weaver. And as much as I like Weaver, he's still replacable just like the guys you've been talking about above. As you mentioned, if we're going for a rebuild with youth, why not start when you have a guy like Ellerby thats obviously NHL-ready and can step right in now.
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It would, if they re-signed Caber. But for some reason that just still seems wrong to me. I know GR has talked about it, I've seen it, I just can't believe they'd be that dumb. I get why they'd like to have him back at a reduced price, he isn't terrible defensively and he's our perennial leading scorer on the blueline. But again, if we are building from within, then you have to go with the youth. Yes, we may take a step back offensively on the blueline but if we're building with a longterm outlook then you have to trust that Kulikov and Garrison will fill that void eventually, and Wideman is a pretty good offensive D as well. And if it came down to Caber vs. Allen, I'd keep Allen. Who knows, maybe they would keep Caber. But I don't have to like it.
Yeah I dont think any of us have to like it really. But defense seems to be where there is less flexibility on the roster. If they wanted to retain McCabe that really puts guys like Ellerby & Gudbranson versus Allen & Weaver in tough situations. And the way I see it, that would mean vets would have to be on the way out for both of the youngsters to make the squad (as I expect). The only reason I could see Allen being moved is so the team can upgrade at forward really.

For fun, this is what I could also see our roster looking like next yr (with a few assumptions):

FORWARDS
David Booth ($4.250m) / Stephen Weiss ($3.100m) / Michael Frolik ($2.750m)
Rostislav Olesz ($3.125m) / Shawn Matthias ($0.795m) / Mike Santorelli ($0.600m)
Steven Reinprecht ($2.050m) / Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($3.500m) / Radek Dvorak ($1.500m)
Mike Duco ($0.550m) / Marty Reasoner ($1.200m) / Michal Repik ($0.875m)
Kenndal McArdle ($0.803m)

DEFENSEMEN
Dmitri Kulikov ($1.325m) / Bryan McCabe ($2.750m)
Dennis Wideman ($3.937m) / Erik Gudbranson ($3.200m)
Jason Garrison ($0.675m) / Keaton Ellerby ($1.200m)
Mike Weaver ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Jacob Markstrom ($1.300m) /Scott Clemmensen ($1.200m)

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Well I looked back at GP's thread on the Revolving Doors of Change from earlier this offseason to just check out how many spots were actually opened up. It seemed that yes only that 1 spot was opened up for either Santorelli or Grabner. What I found more interesting is that out of the 11 spots that I saw turnover from last yr, only 2 full-time spots were actually filled from within the org (Garrison, Matthias). So even if any of the current vets are traded, its only likely going to open up 1 spot for anyone inside the org. Here's how I saw it:
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Dominic MooreShawn Matthias
Jordan LeopoldJason Garrison
Dennis SeidenbergMike Weaver
Keith BallardDennis Wideman
Nathan HortonChris Higgins
Greg CampbellMarty Reasoner
Victor OreskovichSteve Bernier
Kamil KrepsMike Santorelli
Nick TarnaskyByron Bitz
Steve MacIntyreDarcy Hordichuk
Its worth watching but Higgins hasnt gotten on the scoreboard yet so he could be traded at the deadline this yr. And there's the obvious where Stillman isnt going to be coming back I think so there's your 1-2 spots plus there's always a chance that Hordichuk isnt retained. Then you can give spots to Repik & Duco (only guys that appear NHL-ready) and have an open spot up for competition or for Couturier/RNH/draftee. I would not expect McFarland, Wilson or Howden to make the roster next season.Some teams get desparate at the deadline, especially the contenders with limited cap space. We got a 2nd from Boston for Seidenberg along with Bitz. Sure Weaver isnt on the same level as Seidenberg but maybe a team would give up a 3rd and a good player for Weaver. And as much as I like Weaver, he's still replacable just like the guys you've been talking about above. As you mentioned, if we're going for a rebuild with youth, why not start when you have a guy like Ellerby thats obviously NHL-ready and can step right in now.Yeah I dont think any of us have to like it really. But defense seems to be where there is less flexibility on the roster. If they wanted to retain McCabe that really puts guys like Ellerby & Gudbranson versus Allen & Weaver in tough situations. And the way I see it, that would mean vets would have to be on the way out for both of the youngsters to make the squad (as I expect). The only reason I could see Allen being moved is so the team can upgrade at forward really.

For fun, this is what I could also see our roster looking like next yr (with a few assumptions):

FORWARDS
David Booth ($4.250m) / Stephen Weiss ($3.100m) / Michael Frolik ($2.750m)
Rostislav Olesz ($3.125m) / Shawn Matthias ($0.795m) / Mike Santorelli ($0.600m)
Steven Reinprecht ($2.050m) / Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($3.500m) / Radek Dvorak ($1.500m)
Mike Duco ($0.550m) / Marty Reasoner ($1.200m) / Michal Repik ($0.875m)
Kenndal McArdle ($0.803m)

DEFENSEMEN
Dmitri Kulikov ($1.325m) / Bryan McCabe ($2.750m)
Dennis Wideman ($3.937m) / Erik Gudbranson ($3.200m)
Jason Garrison ($0.675m) / Keaton Ellerby ($1.200m)
Mike Weaver ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Jacob Markstrom ($1.300m) /Scott Clemmensen ($1.200m)
This is fine if you're not going to try to bring in additional help at forward from outside the org. But that team isn't going to make the playoffs. Also, Bernier better be re-signed, I don't see any reason why he shouldn't be, if he keeps up his play. I'd rather keep Bernier than Dvo.

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Dvorak is set to become the all-time leader in games played as a Panther in 8 games (that'll be a home game against Minnesota). I have a feeling the org is going to want to retain him but who knows. Here's the article from GR about him:
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On Tuesday in Toronto, Dvorak will tie Olli Jokinen for second on the franchise all-time list when he plays in his 567th game as a Panther. Dvorak will then be seven games away from passing Robert Svehla (1994-2002) to become the all-time leader.
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/flapa...-panthers.html

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I would love to keep Dvo around. I want him to retire as a Panther.

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Erik Gudbranson ($3.200m)
Just a nitpick. I agree almost 100% with your projected roster next year (except maybe for retaining McCabe and the Nugent-Hopkins assumption) but even if Gudbranson hits all his bonuses I have doubts his cap hit will be at $3.2 million.

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Dvo better get resigned! Would be awesome to have him around until he retires.

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