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10-20-2010, 10:01 AM
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Panthers Power Rankings

Had to post this. Panthers ranked 6th. Sure it's only 4 games but I've never seen us above 15th on TSN rankings

http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/rankings/nhl/

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This has been mentioned somewhere here, but I don't remember where.

Anyway, glad to see someone notice us.

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I believe these are just rankings of how the teams players are in terms of fantasy production...Panthers are high because Vokouns stats have been rediculous..

I could be totally wrong here but I believe thats how Scott Cullen does his rankings, he's not actually ranking the teams..

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espn has us at 20th

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espn has us at 20th
ESPN sucks with hockey insight, but it's still very early, and I'm not going to get to excited yet. (though, it's hard not to after a decade of disappointment)

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This has been mentioned somewhere here, but I don't remember where.

Anyway, glad to see someone notice us.
In the "News around the NHL" sticky. But its all good!

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In the "News around the NHL" sticky. But its all good!
Thought that thread was all NHL related non Panthers stuff

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Thought that thread was all NHL related non Panthers stuff
You are correct:

"This thread is for non-Panthers news that happens in the NHL, to keep people from starting a new thread for every story they personally think is "interesting""

I just posted it there because I didn't really think it was huge news and it is the entire leagues rankings. As I said, It's all good!

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Had to post this. Panthers ranked 6th. Sure it's only 4 games but I've never seen us above 15th on TSN rankings

http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/rankings/nhl/
I've seen the Panthers as high as 4th, I believe. I can't tell you what epoch that was...I think sometime in the late pleistocene era...

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Panthers are down to 11th this week. These rankings are a bit absurd IMO, but might as well keep the ball rolling!

http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/rankings/nhl/

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wont be long before they drop to 30th. im now a part of the lets tank bandwagon. watching tavares get a hat trick reaffirmed to me how important it is to have some 1st line talent on the team. stupid stupid panthers shouldve just stayed in last place in 08, but NOOOOO they just had to tie for 8th. man id trade Kuli for Tavares in a heartbeat.

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wont be long before they drop to 30th. im now a part of the lets tank bandwagon. watching tavares get a hat trick reaffirmed to me how important it is to have some 1st line talent on the team. stupid stupid panthers shouldve just stayed in last place in 08, but NOOOOO they just had to tie for 8th. man id trade Kuli for Tavares in a heartbeat.
Just be glad we got Kuli with the pick we had! If the teams ahead of us in that draft could see into the future, he would have been snapped up a lot earlier.

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wont be long before they drop to 30th. im now a part of the lets tank bandwagon. watching tavares get a hat trick reaffirmed to me how important it is to have some 1st line talent on the team. stupid stupid panthers shouldve just stayed in last place in 08, but NOOOOO they just had to tie for 8th. man id trade Kuli for Tavares in a heartbeat.


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wont be long before they drop to 30th. im now a part of the lets tank bandwagon. watching tavares get a hat trick reaffirmed to me how important it is to have some 1st line talent on the team. stupid stupid panthers shouldve just stayed in last place in 08, but NOOOOO they just had to tie for 8th. man id trade Kuli for Tavares in a heartbeat.
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what does this mean?

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what does this mean?
That the post was pretty ridiculous?
You're basing wanting to tank on an opposing player getting a hattrick in one game; in a game the Panthers won, mind you.

Also, as of right now, the brightest thing about this team's future is Dmitry Kulikov. That was actually a very good pick, and we were fortunate he was available at #14.

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That the post was pretty ridiculous?
You're basing wanting to tank on an opposing player getting a hattrick in one game; in a game the Panthers won, mind you.

Also, as of right now, the brightest thing about this team's future is Dmitry Kulikov. That was actually a very good pick, and we were fortunate he was available at #14.
A player that was the #1 overall pick two years ago as well.

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A player that was the #1 overall pick two years ago as well.
And hasn't been a huge difference maker in his career yet, really. Talented? Yeah. Has he turned the Islanders franchise around already? No.

Kulikov could just as easily become a difference maker for the Panthers. He's done just as much in his young career.

Look around; there aren't too many 19 year old defensemen playing in their 2nd year, doing a consistently respectable job.

Kulikov is a special talent; in terms of offensive #'s, they're not quite there yet, but (again) the guy is 19. I think it's pretty obvious that the talent is there for him to be a complete #1 D man for the next decade+ for this organization.

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And hasn't been a huge difference maker in his career yet, really. Talented? Yeah. Has he turned the Islanders franchise around already? No.

Kulikov could just as easily become a difference maker for the Panthers. He's done just as much in his young career.

Look around; there aren't too many 19 year old defensemen playing in their 2nd year, doing a consistently respectable job.

Kulikov is a special talent; in terms of offensive #'s, they're not quite there yet, but (again) the guy is 19. I think it's pretty obvious that the talent is there for him to be a complete #1 D man for the next decade+ for this organization.
He's got a pretty good shot too, just needs to work on accuracy.

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That the post was pretty ridiculous?
You're basing wanting to tank on an opposing player getting a hattrick in one game; in a game the Panthers won, mind you.

Also, as of right now, the brightest thing about this team's future is Dmitry Kulikov. That was actually a very good pick, and we were fortunate he was available at #14.
I had no idea that I had to write each post as if it were an appellate brief. My apologies

First of all I want even one of you to attempt the argument that this team is better off today for having finished 9th in 08 instead dead last. Second Id like someone to argue that they would rather have Kulikov over Tavares. FInally, my opinion that a 1st line center is necessary did not originate in one game. It is clearly documented in all my posts going back to the panthers.com boards. It was just re emphasized to me in watching Tavares almost single handedly beat our team. I dont think it is that tenuous of a position to argue that a legit 1st line center is a must for a serious cup contender and as such didnt support it with anything other than my opinion. My apologies to all of you. Won't happen again.

One more thing, Kuli was great, and a steal at 14, I mean no disrespect to him. With that said I wouild trade him and probably damn near every other pick from that year for Tavares or Stamkos or Hall or any other recent 1st line center talent. That is how valuable and rare I think that talent in that position is.

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I had no idea that I had to write each post as if it were an appellate brief. My apologies

First of all I want even one of you to attempt the argument that this team is better off today for having finished 9th in 08 instead dead last. Second Id like someone to argue that they would rather have Kulikov over Tavares. FInally, my opinion that a 1st line center is necessary did not originate in one game. It is clearly documented in all my posts going back to the panthers.com boards. It was just re emphasized to me in watching Tavares almost single handedly beat our team. I dont think it is that tenuous of a position to argue that a legit 1st line center is a must for a serious cup contender and as such didnt support it with anything other than my opinion. My apologies to all of you. Won't happen again.

One more thing, Kuli was great, and a steal at 14, I mean no disrespect to him. With that said I wouild trade him and probably damn near every other pick from that year for Tavares or Stamkos or Hall or any other recent 1st line center talent. That is how valuable and rare I think that talent in that position is.

I would trade Kulikov + lots of picks for Stamkos. He's the only one of the guys you mentioned who's PROVEN to be ELITE. It's also worth mentioning that while Stamkos is great, he wouldn't be as good here. There's no Martin St.Louis here setting up his shots.

I think you're seriously underrating Kulikov. Again, how many 19 year old D men playing significant minutes in the NHL right now in their 2nd year in the league already? I'd be willing to bet that list doesn't exceed the #10.

Kulikov could turn out to be just as valuable as any one of those forwards. A true #1 defenseman can have just as much of an impact as a 90-100 point forward. #1 defensemen are extremely important...especially considering that the current best prospect in the organization (currently one of the best prospects in the world) is a goaltender (Markstrom).

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I thought I would do a little research to support my thesis that a legit number one center is needed to win the cup. Here are the stats for the winning teams centers over the last 10 years.

10 CHI Toews 25-43-68 76 GP
09 PIT Malkin 35-78-113 82 Or Crosby with 103 pts
08 DET Datsyuk 31-66-97 82
07 ANA McDonald 27-51-78 82
06 CAR Staal 45-55-100 82
04 TPA Richards 26-53-79 82
03 NJD Gomez 13-42-55 80
02 DET Federov 31-37-68 81
01 COL Sakic 54-64-118 82
00 NJD Gomez 19-51-70 82
99 DAL Modano 34-47-81 77

So in the last 10 cases only the 03 devils were able to do it without a .9 ppg top center. Im sure the reasoning behind that is the ridiculous play of Brodeur. So there you go fellas, does that post hold up to your strict scrutiny? I dont really care if it did, this analysis doesnt prove to me anymore than seeing the other night what one amazing player can do for a team. And Weiss, god love him as an amazing 2nd liner, is not that guy.

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Toews- 3rd Overall
Malkin- 2nd Overall
Datsyuk-171st Overall
McDonald- Undrafted
Staal- 2nd Overall
Richards- 64th Overall
Gomez- 27th Overall
Fedorov- 74th Overall
Sakic- 15th Overall
Modano- 1st Overall

Only 4 of the centers you posted were the in the top 10 picks. The draft can be a crapshoot. Tanking isn't guaranteeing you an elite center.

EDIT: I forgot Crosby, so make it 5. My point still stands that you can still draft a top center in the first round without being dead last. A lot of great centers in the NHL today were not a top-10 pick either:

Getzlaf: 19th Overall
Carter: 11th Overall
Kopitar: 11th Overall
Stastny: 44th Overall


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Toews- 3rd Overall
Malkin- 2nd Overall
Datsyuk-171st Overall
McDonald- Undrafted
Staal- 2nd Overall
Richards- 64th Overall
Gomez- 27th Overall
Fedorov- 74th Overall
Sakic- 15th Overall
Modano- 1st Overall

Only 4 of the centers you posted were the in the top 10 picks. The draft can be a crapshoot. Tanking isn't guaranteeing you an elite center.

I dont care how we get him or who he is. If Tallon can conjure him out of the 171st pick I say hell yea. But I think the chances of getting him in the top 3 picks is much higher than anywhere else. And to date Tavares seems on track to being that type of player for the Islanders.

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I thought I would do a little research to support my thesis that a legit number one center is needed to win the cup. Here are the stats for the winning teams centers over the last 10 years.

10 CHI Toews 25-43-68 76 GP
09 PIT Malkin 35-78-113 82 Or Crosby with 103 pts
08 DET Datsyuk 31-66-97 82
07 ANA McDonald 27-51-78 82
06 CAR Staal 45-55-100 82
04 TPA Richards 26-53-79 82
03 NJD Gomez 13-42-55 80
02 DET Federov 31-37-68 81
01 COL Sakic 54-64-118 82
00 NJD Gomez 19-51-70 82
99 DAL Modano 34-47-81 77

So in the last 10 cases only the 03 devils were able to do it without a .9 ppg top center. Im sure the reasoning behind that is the ridiculous play of Brodeur. So there you go fellas, does that post hold up to your strict scrutiny? I dont really care if it did, this analysis doesnt prove to me anymore than seeing the other night what one amazing player can do for a team. And Weiss, god love him as an amazing 2nd liner, is not that guy.
10 CHI - Keith, Seabrook
09 PIT - Gonchar
08 DET - Lidstrom
07 ANA - Pronger, Niedermeyer
06 CAR - Kaberle, Hedican
04 TB - Boyle
03 NJD - Nidermeyer, Stevens
02 DET - Lidstrom, Chelios
01 COL - Bourque
00 NJD - Niedermeyer, Stevens, Rafalski
99 DAL - Zubov, Sydor

Seriously, the same can be said for Stanley Cup Champions/#1 D men. The majority of Stanley Cup teams have a legit #1 D man/good D core, just like the majority of Stanley Cup teams have a legit #1 center.

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