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10-20-2010, 01:32 PM
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Brent Burns

DISCLAIMER- not saying he will be traded or should be traded. just looking for an idea of his worth

Wild fans? anyone? help me out. for example, what would it take from the devils?

Brodeur, Parise, Zajac, Elias, Kovalchuk, Arnott (not because hes too good or anything), Volchenkov/Tallinder (since they were just signed) along with Josefsson are basically the untouchables.

remember, the devils so not have a 2nd or 3rd round pick this year.


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10-20-2010, 01:45 PM
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So in other words, what trash could you compile in order to acquire him?

The value of Brent Burns? It's simple, something that you're not ready to pay.

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10-20-2010, 01:47 PM
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Zajac or Parise.

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10-20-2010, 01:48 PM
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DISCLAIMER- not saying he will be traded or should be traded. just looking for an idea of his worth

Wild fans? anyone? help me out. for example, what would it take from the devils?

Brodeur, Parise, Zajac, Elias, Kovalchuk, Arnott (not because hes too good or anything), Volchenkov/Tallinder (since they were just signed) along with Josefsson and Urbom are basically the untouchables.

remember, the devils so not have a 2nd or 3rd round pick this year.
It would take some of the players that are listed in the untouchable area.

Burns has played well in the first 5 games. He won't be moved unless we're getting just too good of a deal. So, we don't want to trade him really at all, but if it were a deal for a young first line wing with similar potential, we'd probably look at that type of deal.

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10-20-2010, 01:51 PM
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You wouldn't deal Josefsson or Urbom even in a deal for Burns?

I would say a fair deal would start with a player like Travis Zajac. I'd rather this didnt happen though because Zajac is my favourite player outside of the Leafs and I have secret dreams of him traded here!

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10-20-2010, 01:57 PM
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Zajac is the devils most indespensable player IMO with the center depth they have. and the devils are not going to trade Zajac to minnesota and just create another hole in the lineup. makes no sense for the team, asset wise. obvioulsy Kovalchuk isnt going anywhere, and Elias is Mr. Devil and has a NTC. thats why i included those players. i just think parise for Burns is an overpayment from NJ, thats all

what about a deal centered around Mattias Tedenby?

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10-20-2010, 02:00 PM
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Zajac is the devils most indespensable player IMO with the center depth they have

what about a deal centered around Mattias Tedenby?
Wild would only want an young, with potential to become an elite winger as we filled our need for another top-6 center. Not much else would get it done.

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10-20-2010, 02:03 PM
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Wild would only want an young, with potential to become an elite winger as we filled our need for another top-6 center. Not much else would get it done.

makes sense. the only guy we have that fits that bill aside from Parise/Kovalchuk is Tedenby basically

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Zajac is the devils most indespensable player IMO with the center depth they have. and the devils are not going to trade Zajac to minnesota and just create another hole in the lineup. makes no sense for the team, asset wise. obvioulsy Kovalchuk isnt going anywhere, and Elias is Mr. Devil and has a NTC. thats why i included those players. i just think parise for Burns is an overpayment from NJ, thats all
A trade also has to make sense from a Minnesota perspective as well. If all the worthwhile players are made unavailable, what reason would the Wild have for letting go one of their best young players?

This is about the time we'll just go ahead and post the obligatory Brent Burns value post....

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This dialog has been repeated dozens of times on these boards:

Non-Wild Fan: I heard Burns is available. Would love to get him on ___. What would it take?

Wild Fan: He's not on the block really. But if he is moved, it won't be for anything less than a young 1st line winger or a top-6 center.

Non-Wild Fan: How about a [salary dump] + young Dman + middling forward + pick

Wild Fan: Ah no. 1st line winger or top-6 center.

Non-Wild Fan: How about [weaker NHL Dman] + [forward not in NHL yet]?

Wild Fan: ? Burns won't be moved for anything BUT a young 1st line winger or top-6 center.

Non-Wild Fan: How about [mid-30s vet with 1-year on his contract] straight up?

Wild Fan: What part of young 1st line winger or top-6 center don't you get?

Non-Wild Fan: You are asking for too much. Burns isn't going to get that. Have fun trying to trade him.

Wild Fan: We aren't!

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A trade also has to make sense from a Minnesota perspective as well. If all the worthwhile players are made unavailable, what reason would the Wild have for letting go one of their best young players?

This is about the time we'll just go ahead and post the obligatory Brent Burns value post....
all i wanted was what they would be looking for in return IF they were to trade him, thats all. you know, the whole reason why this board exists? kovalchuk is not getting traded, obviously. neither is brodeur and neither is volch/tallinder since they were JUST brought in. i explained elias. thats basically everyone i listed?

but thanks, i guess

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You're better than this Brandon.

i was just wondering what it would take. there are guys on the devils that absolutely are not getting traded, and i listed them i believe. wasnt trying to start a flame war

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Wild would only want an young, with potential to become an elite winger as we filled our need for another top-6 center. Not much else would get it done.
Uh. No.

We want an established top line winger. That's it.

Fletcher made it clear, he's not being traded unless we're overpaid. And a prospect with no NHL experience is not an overpayment.

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Uh. No.

We want an established top line winger. That's it.

Fletcher made it clear, he's not being traded unless we're overpaid. And a prospect with no NHL experience is not an overpayment.
Yes, I apologize. I goofed up on my reasoning I meant a young (with potential to become elite like Burns) who is already a top-6 winger.

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Yes, I apologize. I goofed up on my reasoning I meant a young (with potential to become elite like Burns) who is already a top-6 winger.
I'm still sticking with established top line winger, but I guess that's me. It just doesn't make sense to take on someone who has the potential to be as good as Burns already is in our minds.

Just trying to clarify for others.

In any case, TP said it best. Whatever his value is, NJ isn't willing to pay it.

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i was just wondering what it would take. there are guys on the devils that absolutely are not getting traded, and i listed them i believe. wasnt trying to start a flame war
The issue is that it's the second Burns to NJ proposal with the same parameters in three days and the twentieth time someone's made the same "Burns for anyone but untouchable players" proposal. It gets tiring after a while to answer - in fact it's become a sore point to many - and frankly there's no reason for Minnesota to trade Burns unless it's severe overpayment.

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fair enough, hadnt seen that thread

my bad

that DATW guy is not a very rational fan anyways haha

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Heatley for Burns.

Not that we have a problem with Heatley, we don't, Shark's are just top heavy as hell and Burns is exactly what we'd need to help the defense. I assume we'd have to even out salary to some degree, but that's probably not too hard.

I would also consider Clowe or Seto, depending on the deal.

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Wild are against the cap, heatley cannot go there. Burns+nhl player or prospect or pick for Parise.

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We don't make good trading partners for Burns.

They'd want Zajac, end of story.

The Wild are a team that want to win now.

Tedenby doesn't help, Burns does.

It would also be Tedenby++.

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Penner + Gogs for Burns I'd be happy with that

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4 1st? (most likely very late)

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Penner + ?

I would love Burns on Edmonton.

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fair enough, hadnt seen that thread

my bad

that DATW guy is not a very rational fan anyways haha
LOL.

So you basically come up with the same idea I had 24 hours ago but I'm the one who's not rational? I like the way you made me look like a ass when you're the one that started the thread on the main board without even knowing I did the same on the Wilds board.


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Penner + ?

I would love Burns on Edmonton.
Seriously?

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I can see Burns being traded for a top 6 winger who is young, but its one of those deals that keeping him is the best option unless some teams comes by and offers way to much to pass up.

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