Grachev being ahead of Stepan at this point makes that list absolutely useless. I don't care about anything else that it says.
LOL... so True.. Stepan is just far and above Grachev at this point it is not even close. Stepan should be in the top 10 as he looks to be a sure fire NHLer for a long time.
This HF top 50 Prospect list after maybe the top 10 or so is basically a crap shoot on which prospects will make it in the NHL.
Just go back 5 years or so of the HF top 50 prospect lists... It is just difficult to predict what most prospects with do at the NHL. However, these lists are fun to read for the possibilities and etc..
Hfboards jumped on the Grachev hype bus as much as anyone due to that one 19 year old season with Duchene and Hodgson. He has not improved one iota since then.
I've got Hagelin ranked higher on my personal ranking than Grachev, so having him ahead of Stepan, who has a long NHL career ahead of him is awful.
Still haven't seen enough of Kreider to make a fair assesment. Ive seen only about 5 or 6 of his collegiate games in full.
It's almost as if there's something that Grachev isn't getting yet. You look at his size and wonder how much he's using it. 14 total pm in 85 AHL games tells me he's not using it enough. If he's going to the net and battling hard he should have a lot more than that. He needs to add some dirt to his game--just trying to get by with finesse is not going to do it.
McDonagh should be on the list. Grachev (right now)--no.
At this stage McIlraith has a lot more to prove than Fowler. Hopefully he proves it.
I don't get all of this negativity about McIlrath - especially considering 11 other teams also saw something they didn't like in Fowler. It's way too early to determine much of anything re: McIlrath.
LOL... so True.. Stepan is just far and above Grachev at this point it is not even close. Stepan should be in the top 10 as he looks to be a sure fire NHLer for a long time.
This HF top 50 Prospect list after maybe the top 10 or so is basically a crap shoot on which prospects will make it in the NHL.
Just go back 5 years or so of the HF top 50 prospect lists... It is just difficult to predict what most prospects with do at the NHL. However, these lists are fun to read for the possibilities and etc..
yea I agree, this is a tough list to make. It has kids on it out as far as the 08 draft class. There are tons of 08's and 09's already playing NHL hockey that are not on this list. i guess they are measuring non NHL players because guys like Del Zotto, Tavares, Bailey would be littering top 10 atleast.
all in all its a tough challenge to take on and I do thank HF's for creating this list for all of us to enjoy anyway
as far as blue shirt players, Stepan should be higher, the russian tank should be off and Kreider seems to be spot on. Just my opinion...
Honestly, I have never seen the appeal of Grachev...sure he had one great season in junior but who was he playing with? How many people have been amazing junior players because of who was around them and got highly rated for the NHL and turned into nothing? The list is probably very long.
I don't get all of this negativity about McIlrath - especially considering 11 other teams also saw something they didn't like in Fowler. It's way too early to determine much of anything re: McIlrath.
I don't get why saying McIlraith has more to prove than Fowler is negative. McIlraith was known to be a reach who, with his physical attributes, may develop into something special if his game develops. And he may not if it doesn't.
That means he has something to prove.
Sounds like you have negativity toward Fowler, however. 11 other teams saw something they didn't like in Fowler? That's ridiculous. Edmonton drafted Taylor Hall because they didn't like Fowler? Boston drafted Tyler Seguin because they didn't like Fowler? And so on?
I don't get why saying McIlraith has more to prove than Fowler is negative. McIlraith was known to be a reach who, with his physical attributes, may develop into something special if his game develops. And he may not if it doesn't.
Why "more"? They were drafted two picks apart and are completely different players.
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Sounds like you have negativity toward Fowler, however. 11 other teams saw something they didn't like in Fowler? That's ridiculous. Edmonton drafted Taylor Hall because they didn't like Fowler? Boston drafted Tyler Seguin because they didn't like Fowler? And so on?
Please. Even you know how silly that is.
I'm not negative about Fowler. And, speaking of silly, pretending that he wasn't drafted until much later than he was expected to is just that. Silly. I didn't say that "Edmonton didn't like Fowler", I said they obviously saw something that they didn't like about him FOR THEIR TEAM. I would've drafted Hall and Sequin first, too. I'm not sure if I were the Rangers GM that I would've drafted Fowler given what we have already on the blue line. I can certainly see the logic in drafting a big, mean defenseman that we haven't had since probably Beukeboom. Hopefully, Fowler works out in Anaheim and McIlrath works out here.
Grachev will be fine...hes only 21....the youngest guy in Hartford ....played 80 games last year.....little or no PP time.....solid. Hell put up more points when given a chance to play PP and with better players.....Im a big AA fan and I think Grachev will be even better than Artie.
Ranger fans need some patience..... got into an argument the other day with some fool calling Staal a bust...at the ripe old age of 23.
Can you provide me with the list of all the pro scouts that assist in forming this top 50 list?
I'll wait.....
yeah... you know what, you're right. what does a site called "hockeys future" know about nhl prospects... good call.
make sure you let leslie treff know how much you appreciate what she does because you just called out the staff at hf for knowing nothing....
shes on the hf staff, along with others who watch each team individually. do you really believe these people know nothing about their respective teams prospects and that the top 50 list, unless developed by "pro scouts", is just made up without merit ?
if you listened to leslie for even 5 minutes, you would know that shes about as sharp and informed as anyone on the prospects at hartford. im sure she had alot of input on the 3 ranger players.
so that alone makes your argument pretty much, well.... bogus.
then again, sounds like you prefer to get your prospect info standing around the koolaide kegger hosted by the msg network.
yea I agree, this is a tough list to make. It has kids on it out as far as the 08 draft class. There are tons of 08's and 09's already playing NHL hockey that are not on this list. i guess they are measuring non NHL players because guys like Del Zotto, Tavares, Bailey would be littering top 10 atleast.
all in all its a tough challenge to take on and I do thank HF's for creating this list for all of us to enjoy anyway
as far as blue shirt players, Stepan should be higher, the russian tank should be off and Kreider seems to be spot on. Just my opinion...
I think they determine what guys they put on the list by how many games they've played at the NHL level. Varlamov has played in the NHL since the 2008 season and is on the list, but he has only played like 30 regular season games so far in his career. Guys like DZ and Tavares are in their second full season.
Leslie is extremely knowledgeable. I trust her opinions. That said, I have much less faith in a number of the other staff writers. Some if the other staffers are gaga for their own prospects and hype them up way too much. Leslie is more grounded in reality. If you want to take HF articles and rankings as the gospel truth, so be it. I'll take many of them with a grain of salt.
