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10-24-2010, 01:22 PM
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With the way Butler has played since getting back in the lineup, there's no way I'd want the Sabres to deal him now - he looks as good as he did in his rookie callup of '08-'09. And I don't think Weber has had enough of a chance to prove himself as a full-timer - nor does he qualify as a "puck-moving defenseman".

Sekera, if anyone, would be the best candidate if such talks are indeed happening.
Agreed. I wouldn't lose too much sleep over losing Sekera, although he's been solid so far this season. I just believe that other teams still overrate his offensive potential, so the Sabres could potentially get more for him.

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10-24-2010, 01:53 PM
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Where did you get that from - the only reference LeBrun makes to anything involving the Sabres is a general remark that they're talking to the Ducks. No players are named in the article.

If anything, the "puck moving defenseman" reference seems odd to me, given how Visnovksy clearly gives the Ducks a top-notch one of that type and Lydman isn't too immobile or bad with the puck either. Considering the injury to Sutton, I would think that Anaheim is missing more of the big physical, shot-blocking type of defenseman - which would then plausibly make Weber more of a fit in that regard.
Weber isn't considered a PMD, he's considered a stay at home type.
I was looking at Sekera over any other D man in the Sabres stable at this time.
And of course, I stated, it was merely opinion, I can only deduce what I can deduce based on the wording of the article. And it stated looking for a PMD.

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10-24-2010, 03:48 PM
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Niedermeyer for Lydman j/k

Anyways, I highly doubt it's Koivu. They signed him and as an earlier poster stated- he came back to play with his fellow Finn. If he wanted to be a Sabre, he would have been. It would be a slap in the face for the Ducks to ship him off.

I hope we don't trade Sekera but eh, we'll see. I don't see Butler or Weber being much of an improvement over Sbisa either but maybe Luca can keep getting big minutes in the A.

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Niedermeyer for Lydman j/k

Anyways, I highly doubt it's Koivu. They signed him and as an earlier poster stated- he came back to play with his fellow Finn. If he wanted to be a Sabre, he would have been. It would be a slap in the face for the Ducks to ship him off.

I hope we don't trade Sekera but eh, we'll see. I don't see Butler or Weber being much of an improvement over Sbisa either but maybe Luca can keep getting big minutes in the A.
Maybe we'll get both Finns?

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10-24-2010, 04:50 PM
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What about something like

Sekera/Butler for Beleskey

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I suspect we'll see something like this:



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10-24-2010, 05:56 PM
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um, overpay much?

Take out Sekera?
Ducks aren't going to make a trade unless they get a D-man back. If they're dealing for futures, it'll happen at the deadline.

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10-24-2010, 06:10 PM
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i don't know for who but Luca Sbisa would interest me.


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More like....Weber for a 4th.

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More like....Weber for a 4th.
Exactly. Regier and ruff don't like having guys sitting around not playing. At this point Weber is the guy that hasn't played a game, therefore, he's likely the guy Regier would like to move, think waiving Paetsch and Mair last year and his comments therein.

With each game that he carries Rivet, Sekera's value rises. He's been the most consistent d-man so far this season. Since the Olympics he's been steadily improving.

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I wouldn't want to trade with Anaheim.

They would never trade Getzlaf, Perry, Selanne, Ryan, Koivu, or Hiller. And the rest of their team is just meh. Beleskey is okay, but he wouldn't fit in our line-up right now. Sbisa is gonna be good but they probably wouldn't give him up either. Lubo might help us, but again, he's probably not going either unless we overpay.

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I know it mentions defensemen but we could also be talking about a forward here. Gerbe would flourish with more ice time and the right roster. the ducks seem like a good roster for a player of his talent. Not trying to anger gerbe fans, he just may be in a similar position as cmac was.


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10-24-2010, 09:06 PM
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Exactly. Regier and ruff don't like having guys sitting around not playing. At this point Weber is the guy that hasn't played a game, therefore, he's likely the guy Regier would like to move
You mean 'before last night...'

There still hasn't been any public revelation of what "budget" Regier said in August the team was told to abide by - maybe they're fine as is or maybe they're not. If money's an issue (like it often is), Sekera is the most expensive and also on the last year of his current deal (as are Butler and Weber).

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Exactly. Regier and ruff don't like having guys sitting around not playing. At this point Weber is the guy that hasn't played a game, therefore, he's likely the guy Regier would like to move, think waiving Paetsch and Mair last year and his comments therein.

With each game that he carries Rivet, Sekera's value rises. He's been the most consistent d-man so far this season. Since the Olympics he's been steadily improving.

Ta,
I have to disagree. Unlike Paetsch and Mair, Weber has future in the NHL.

Weber has only 3 pro seasons under his belt and is just 22yrs old. Paetsch was a month or so from turning 27 years old and near the end of his 7th pro season when he was moved. I think because of that 16 game call up in his rookie pro season. Its feels like Weber has been around longer than he actually has been.


Weber can be an effective bottom pairing dman and has an upside of 2nd pairing. He is young enough to not write him off yet and I'd be surprised if the Sabres did. Just look at the bounce back years Sekera and Butler are having so far. The Sabres usually get to the 2nd contract with their youngsters.

With Rivet likely gone due to retirement and Monty's deal up. Weber will likely have a roster spot and possibly a starting spot next season. Unlike Paetsch, who had been bypassed by all the youngsters on the team (Sekera, Butler and Myers) and had shown that he is a fringe NHLer at the time of the trade. He was well past having an upside.

I would amend your statement and say that they don't like keeping guys around that don't fit into their plans going forward (Paestch, Paille, CMac).


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hmmm...nothing for nothing?

sounds aboot right...

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With Rivet likely gone due to retirement and Monty's deal up. Weber will likely have a roster spot and possibly a starting spot next season. Unlike Paetsch, who had been bypassed by all the youngsters on the team (Sekera, Butler and Myers) and had shown that he is a fringe NHLer at the time of the trade. He was well past having an upside.
It's a small point, but I think they'll try to re-sign Monty. Notwithstanding their usual policy of letting players of that age walk in free agency, I think Ruff's desire for righties on the blueline will trump that policy. Plus, I think he probably has more of a presence in the room than most of us realize. I could definitely see a two-year deal for slightly more than what he's making now. He could be a bridge to players like Pysyk, JGL and Matt MacKenzie.

I agree that Weber will be a roster player going forward. I think Leopold, Morrisonn, Butler, and Weber will be the LD's next season, with Myers, Sekera and (possibly) Monty on the right.

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I have to disagree. Unlike Paetsch and Mair, Weber has future in the NHL.

Weber has only 3 pro seasons under his belt and is just 22yrs old. Paetsch was a month or so from turning 27 years old and near the end of his 7th pro season when he was moved. I think because of that 16 game call up in his rookie pro season. Its feels like Weber has been around longer than he actually has been.


Weber can be an effective bottom pairing dman and has an upside of 2nd pairing. He is young enough to not write him off yet and I'd be surprised if the Sabres did. Just look at the bounce back years Sekera and Butler are having so far. The Sabres usually get to the 2nd contract with their youngsters.

With Rivet likely gone due to retirement and Monty's deal up. Weber will likely have a roster spot and possibly a starting spot next season. Unlike Paetsch, who had been bypassed by all the youngsters on the team (Sekera, Butler and Myers) and had shown that he is a fringe NHLer at the time of the trade. He was well past having an upside.

I would amend your statement and say that they don't like keeping guys around that don't fit into their plans going forward (Paestch, Paille, CMac).
Excellent post; another point that management hopefully is fully aware of is that, if Rivet and Montador both are let go, Morrisonn would be the only defenseman with a semblance of a physical style and he has never really lived up to expectations of a tough defenseman. If Weber gets dealt, the Sabres would have a glaring hole in that regard until McNabb is ready in a few years or be forced to bring in such a type of defender from the outside in the interim.

Weber may not pan out in the long term but, as you noted, he hasn't really had enough time at the NHL level to either prove or disqualify himself for a roster spot.

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I'd be down with a Sekera for Beleskey/Sexton swap.

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Vanek and Sekera for Getzlaf ?

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I have to disagree. Unlike Paetsch and Mair, Weber has future in the NHL.

Weber has only 3 pro seasons under his belt and is just 22yrs old. Paetsch was a month or so from turning 27 years old and near the end of his 7th pro season when he was moved. I think because of that 16 game call up in his rookie pro season. Its feels like Weber has been around longer than he actually has been.


Weber can be an effective bottom pairing dman and has an upside of 2nd pairing. He is young enough to not write him off yet and I'd be surprised if the Sabres did. Just look at the bounce back years Sekera and Butler are having so far. The Sabres usually get to the 2nd contract with their youngsters.

With Rivet likely gone due to retirement and Monty's deal up. Weber will likely have a roster spot and possibly a starting spot next season. Unlike Paetsch, who had been bypassed by all the youngsters on the team (Sekera, Butler and Myers) and had shown that he is a fringe NHLer at the time of the trade. He was well past having an upside.

I would amend your statement and say that they don't like keeping guys around that don't fit into their plans going forward (Paestch, Paille, CMac).
This is what I meant to say, Josh... I just did it poorly. Regier has shown he's uncomfortable keeping guys on the bench negatively impacting their careers. His comments about the Peatsch and Mair waivings made this explicit, that he felt it was unfair for them to be sitting if there was an opportunity for them to play somewhere else.

I meant no slight to Weber's upside. Both Sekera and Butler have played well this season and Sekera continues to improve nightly, hence Weber is the odd man out, though he still has value to the team.

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This is what I meant to say, Josh... I just did it poorly. Regier has shown he's uncomfortable keeping guys on the bench negatively impacting their careers. His comments about the Peatsch and Mair waivings made this explicit, that he felt it was unfair for them to be sitting if there was an opportunity for them to play somewhere else.

I meant no slight to Weber's upside. Both Sekera and Butler have played well this season and Sekera continues to improve nightly, hence Weber is the odd man out, though he still has value to the team.

Ta,
In a way Weber and Kassian were in the same boat. Neither was able to earn a spot out of camp and would best served playing in the AHL. But the only options available to each weren't the most desirable. In Weber's case it was staying up as the 8th dman since they didn't want to expose him to waivers. But I think both fit into the team's plans going forward.

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Had a dream last night that we acquired Bobby Ryan.

Was so bummed when I woke up.

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i don't know for who but Luca Sbisa would interest me.
Speaking as a Ducks STH, he's not NHL ready and I don't think he ever will be. He's obscenely bad in his own end and doesn't contribute enough offensively to make up for it.

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In a way Weber and Kassian were in the same boat. Neither was able to earn a spot out of camp and would best served playing in the AHL. But the only options available to each weren't the most desirable. In Weber's case it was staying up as the 8th dman since they didn't want to expose him to waivers. But I think both fit into the team's plans going forward.
I hope so, but if Regier is looking to make a trade, he may be the most likely candidate. Point's moot, Rivet's injured so Weber's in. I don't see Regier trading a defenseman while he's got two on the sidelines injured.

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I hope so, but if Regier is looking to make a trade, he may be the most likely candidate. Point's moot, Rivet's injured so Weber's in. I don't see Regier trading a defenseman while he's got two on the sidelines injured.

PtTa,

I think he will play more than Paetsch did. I can't imagine we will be as healthy on the backend as we were last year.

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