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10-29-2010, 12:51 AM
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Higgins scored his first goal of the season, not a bad one I must say
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Congrats to Halak! And good for D'Agostini too.

I'll have to go find the Higgins goal as they are hard to come by.

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Komisarek averaging 13:52 minutes of ice time for the Leafs - ouch. Not great for a 4.5 cap hit.

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Congrats to Halak! And good for D'Agostini too.

I'll have to go find the Higgins goal as they are hard to come by.
Where are those who wre saying that Halak was just a flash in the pan ?

he,s now a top-six goalie in the NHL

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Where are those who wre saying that Halak was just a flash in the pan ?

he,s now a top-six goalie in the NHL
Personally I never thought that of Halak at all. He's a good goalie and I would have rathered him but that doesn't mean I don't think highly of Price. My biggest fear with Price are screened shots. I always felt Halak was just very good at tracking the puck through a screen.

What I saw of Halak last night I enjoyed and it brought back those fun memories of last year. I wish both goalies tremendous success.

To answer your question though - I don't where those folks are at the moment. More than likely they are waiting for that right moment. LOL It may never come though.

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Komisarek averaging 13:52 minutes of ice time for the Leafs - ouch. Not great for a 4.5 cap hit.
but hes a great leader in the room

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If Price becomes a top 5-10 goalie in the NHL but Halak becomes a top 3-5 would you guys still complain? I mean really I love Halak and still do. But Price is our goalie now and he's playing awesome too. Also St. Louis has been playing very well also, as good as you could hope they would for the division they are in. I know Halak has 2 shutouts but it wasn't just him standing on his head, his team has also been very good too.

Not saying it isn't the same for Price, it is. He's the goalie we have still though and I back my team 100%. As long as he's a member of said team and doing well I'm happy. Personally I like both goalies. He's certainly not a Theodore, the kid has one tough season and already the masses didn't think he had what it took to be a true #1. He's been though a lot, both goalies have and both have gotten past their issues. I think it speaks wonders about our scouts and our management that we even had two goalies so great. In the end they went with the guy who had more of a history, that's not to say Halak won't be better, right now at least he is and he may very well be for a long time or forever.

I won't let it bother me though so long as Price plays well.

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10-29-2010, 01:24 PM
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If Price becomes a top 5-10 goalie in the NHL but Halak becomes a top 3-5 would you guys still complain? I mean really I love Halak and still do. But Price is our goalie now and he's playing awesome too. Also St. Louis has been playing very well also, as good as you could hope they would for the division they are in. I know Halak has 2 shutouts but it wasn't just him standing on his head, his team has also been very good too.

Not saying it isn't the same for Price, it is. He's the goalie we have still though and I back my team 100%. As long as he's a member of said team and doing well I'm happy. Personally I like both goalies. He's certainly not a Theodore, the kid has one tough season and already the masses didn't think he had what it took to be a true #1. He's been though a lot, both goalies have and both have gotten past their issues. I think it speaks wonders about our scouts and our management that we even had two goalies so great. In the end they went with the guy who had more of a history, that's not to say Halak won't be better, right now at least he is and he may very well be for a long time or forever.

I won't let it bother me though so long as Price plays well.
Will I complain? No. If Price becomes a legit top-10 goalie in this league at some point, I won't complain.

Will I be upset? Hell yes! Because that's poor asset management to deal the guy who would have become the better goalie of these two, for a lesser return.

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10-29-2010, 01:31 PM
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Will I complain? No. If Price becomes a legit top-10 goalie in this league at some point, I won't complain.

Will I be upset? Hell yes! Because that's poor asset management to deal the guy who would have become the better goalie of these two, for a lesser return.
Even if Eller becomes a 20g 30-40a type guy one day?

On top of that if Schultz becomes an NHLer also?

(Just curious)

To be honest I don't think it's that bad asset management.

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10-29-2010, 01:35 PM
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Even if Eller becomes a 20g 30-40a type guy one day?

On top of that if Schultz becomes an NHLer also?

(Just curious)

To be honest I don't think it's that bad asset management.
I love Eller. Check my username.

The return for Halak didn't bother me the least. Thing is, if Gauthier actually could have gotten more for Price, and on top of that, if Halak ends up being the better of those two, it's just bad assets management. That says nothing about Price. But in this hypothetical situation, Gauthier would have made the wrong choice.

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I love Eller. Check my username.

The return for Halak didn't bother me the least. Thing is, if Gauthier actually could have gotten more for Price, and on top of that, if Halak ends up being the better of those two, it's just bad assets management. That says nothing about Price. But in this hypothetical situation, Gauthier would have made the wrong choice.
Pretty fair argument, in fact I'm pretty much inclined to agree with you now.

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Even if Eller becomes a 20g 30-40a type guy one day?

On top of that if Schultz becomes an NHLer also?

(Just curious)

To be honest I don't think it's that bad asset management.
While I totally understand the problem we would have had with the cap, I think I would have chosen to do something else than to get rid of either one this summer and especially Halak. The idea is that we traded a guy with still some question marks while he is proving and will prove that it should not have been. In the end, you might have dealt a top 5-8 goalie and the return on that base had to be higher. People say there's no market for goalies, yet for a goalie "some" said was just a flash in the pan and would never be able to do these kinds of performance again, we did end up with a pretty good prospect....imagine what we would have had for a proven and legit not only #1 but top 5-8 in the league.....Pretty sure we would have stopped wondering who the heck would play on that 2nd line of ours for starters.....

I believe that whenever you can, you have to be in a pretty strong position for a trade. Some would say we were based that we traded a guy that was pretty hot due to his playoffs.....yet, it could have been stronger when the said goalie is traded when he is seen as having some kind of consistency.

Then.....what if Price would have fetch a greater return? You might end up with the best goalie in Halak....and a better return since every specialist out there was still mentioning Price as the best prospect of the 2 even when Halak was doing his miracles. Even with an ordinairy year to say the least, most people would have chosen Price as the best goalie. Return would have been there.

I don't think we did that bad. Eller should end up as a great player for us. We'll see for Schultz. BUt I think there were more possibilities to do better....but probably at the price of being imaginative salary cap wise....

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10-29-2010, 10:20 PM
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While I totally understand the problem we would have had with the cap, I think I would have chosen to do something else than to get rid of either one this summer and especially Halak. The idea is that we traded a guy with still some question marks while he is proving and will prove that it should not have been. In the end, you might have dealt a top 5-8 goalie and the return on that base had to be higher. People say there's no market for goalies, yet for a goalie "some" said was just a flash in the pan and would never be able to do these kinds of performance again, we did end up with a pretty good prospect....imagine what we would have had for a proven and legit not only #1 but top 5-8 in the league.....Pretty sure we would have stopped wondering who the heck would play on that 2nd line of ours for starters.....

I believe that whenever you can, you have to be in a pretty strong position for a trade. Some would say we were based that we traded a guy that was pretty hot due to his playoffs.....yet, it could have been stronger when the said goalie is traded when he is seen as having some kind of consistency.

Then.....what if Price would have fetch a greater return? You might end up with the best goalie in Halak....and a better return since every specialist out there was still mentioning Price as the best prospect of the 2 even when Halak was doing his miracles. Even with an ordinairy year to say the least, most people would have chosen Price as the best goalie. Return would have been there.

I don't think we did that bad. Eller should end up as a great player for us. We'll see for Schultz. BUt I think there were more possibilities to do better....but probably at the price of being imaginative salary cap wise....
Nothing against Eller, but Perron or Backes would had look great with Gionta and Gomez.... or Eller and a switch of the two 1st rounder. Tinordi is fine, but we would have kept our second round pick too in the process.

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10-30-2010, 11:24 AM
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Latendresse

MTL 232 48 37 85 = 0.37 ppg

MIN 63 28 15 43 = .68 ppg

Net gain: 0.316 ppg


Pouliot

MTL 65 9 9 18 = .28 ppg

MIN 49 17 12 29 = .59 ppg

Net gain: 0.315 ppg


Couple of interesting takeways.

(1) Latendresse is doing better overall than Pouliot, but both added the same ppg/avg to their game so far.

(2) Pouliot has gained proportionately more ppg/avg. Pouliot has more than doubled his production.

(3) Both teams gained on their predecessors. Minnesota more so, but both by significant margins.

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We gave up on the wrong goalie!!

Sure it was 12 years ago but still, we could have had Vokoun!






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D'Agostini had two more points last night. Halak started slowly but was strong when it mattered most, in OT.

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I know this post will probably piss a few people off (even though I've done nothing but said good things of Price so far), but Halak is absolutely ridiculous right now.

6-1-1 with a 1.71 GAA and .932 SV%.

PS. I was the guy who, even with constant flack from everyone else, always said Matt D'Agostini still had the potential to be a very good player and that we gave up on him way, way too early. And to start the season, he's proving me right so far.

9 GP, 6 PTS (4-goals), +5.

He's worked so hard that his ice-time has nearly doubled since the first game of the season as of last night.

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Craig Rivet benched, but Spacek still playing?

Craig Rivet gets benched for two games in a row for not playing well, but Spacek gets a free pass over Picard?
Does Ruff have balls or JM blind?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puc...aining-content

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I know this post will probably piss a few people off (even though I've done nothing but said good things of Price so far), but Halak is absolutely ridiculous right now.

6-1-1 with a 1.71 GAA and .932 SV%.

PS. I was the guy who, even with constant flack from everyone else, always said Matt D'Agostini still had the potential to be a very good player and that we gave up on him way, way too early. And to start the season, he's proving me right so far.

9 GP, 6 PTS (4-goals), +5.

He's worked so hard that his ice-time has nearly doubled since the first game of the season as of last night.
Theres a thread for ex-habs players....

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I know this post will probably piss a few people off (even though I've done nothing but said good things of Price so far), but Halak is absolutely ridiculous right now.

6-1-1 with a 1.71 GAA and .932 SV%.

PS. I was the guy who, even with constant flack from everyone else, always said Matt D'Agostini still had the potential to be a very good player and that we gave up on him way, way too early. And to start the season, he's proving me right so far.

9 GP, 6 PTS (4-goals), +5.

He's worked so hard that his ice-time has nearly doubled since the first game of the season as of last night.
Nate, I agree, Halak is playing phenomenal there's no doubt, I have watched every blues game, but I really think you're short changing the talent of their defense as well as the Blues system. They are a dominant team. Again this is not a drawback on halak's performance, it's just noting that people are overlooking how good the Blues really are. I wouldn't be surprised if they finished first in the west this year, they are just that good, Halak just makes them even better. They'd still be a stop team without him, but Halak puts them past that. Look for big things from St.Louis, they are really well built and coached.

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Craig Rivet gets benched for two games in a row for not playing well, but Spacek gets a free pass over Picard?
Does Ruff have balls or JM blind?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puc...aining-content
good question if you ask me.

I guess Ruff has balls since Rivet is the team captain.

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I know this post will probably piss a few people off (even though I've done nothing but said good things of Price so far), but Halak is absolutely ridiculous right now.

6-1-1 with a 1.71 GAA and .932 SV%.

PS. I was the guy who, even with constant flack from everyone else, always said Matt D'Agostini still had the potential to be a very good player and that we gave up on him way, way too early. And to start the season, he's proving me right so far.

9 GP, 6 PTS (4-goals), +5.

He's worked so hard that his ice-time has nearly doubled since the first game of the season as of last night.
Yea, Halak's playing well, not surprising. So is Price, btw.

I'm not surprised Dagostini's doing well. I don't know if it's the pressure, player development or what...but young guys just can't score in Montreal. I'm not sure if it has to do with wanting players to play defensively but you look at Grabovsky, Latendresse, Dagostini... It's really odd.

Also, in all honesty, I think Montreal's defense is extremely overrated. They are not good IMO. They spend a LOT of time in their own zone and the team overall lets other teams dictate the game. St. Louis plays a better system...which is why I'm not surprised Halak is playing well.

Really hope the D is addressed in the offseason. Too slow and old.

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Yea, Halak's playing well, not surprising. So is Price, btw.

I'm not surprised Dagostini's doing well. I don't know if it's the pressure, player development or what...but young guys just can't score in Montreal. I'm not sure if it has to do with wanting players to play defensively but you look at Grabovsky, Latendresse, Dagostini... It's really odd.

Also, in all honesty, I think Montreal's defense is extremely overrated. They are not good IMO. They spend a LOT of time in their own zone and the team overall lets other teams dictate the game. St. Louis plays a better system...which is why I'm not surprised Halak is playing well.

Really hope the D is addressed in the offseason. Too slow and old.
JayBee, for D'agostini, the real problem was effort. He was just going through the motions here, where as in St.Louis he's actually working his ass off.

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I know this post will probably piss a few people off (even though I've done nothing but said good things of Price so far), but Halak is absolutely ridiculous right now.

6-1-1 with a 1.71 GAA and .932 SV%.

PS. I was the guy who, even with constant flack from everyone else, always said Matt D'Agostini still had the potential to be a very good player and that we gave up on him way, way too early. And to start the season, he's proving me right so far.

9 GP, 6 PTS (4-goals), +5.

He's worked so hard that his ice-time has nearly doubled since the first game of the season as of last night.
Ya we could have been more patient with D'Ago. We could have done different things with many ex players. We did get Palushaj in return though and he looked good in camp. So hopefully, we won't have lost that trade.

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Ya we could have been more patient with D'Ago. We could have done different things with many ex players. We did get Palushaj in return though and he looked good in camp. So hopefully, we won't have lost that trade.
Also, I'd hold my breath for D'agostini. I don't want to undermine his performance because he has been playing well and has the talent, definitly, but we have seen this from him before. In his case, I really think we need to wait the entire year. He's also benefiting from a much deeper St.Louis team, he's not a main guy, so he's watch less. Montreal's depth wasn't that deep during his time here, so when he was put on a scoring line he was neutralized fairly quickly as he played against better pairings.

He has the talent, let's see if he shows the consistency needed.

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