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10-28-2010, 01:01 PM
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Probably wont be popular but here it goes
To Chi
C Travis Zajac (3,887,500 cap hit) - 25 years old

To NJ
C Dave Bolland (3,375,000 cap hit) - 24 years old
well atleast you called it....

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10-28-2010, 01:19 PM
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So why do the Devils do this? Zajac is better than Bolland at both ends and he's got great chemistry with Parise.
I think it can be argued that Bollands D is better

Bolland shutdown 3 of the best centers in last years playoffs

Like I said in original post this probably wasn't gonna be popular

Figured this made more sense then the Devil fan that was advocating trading Parise in GDT

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10-28-2010, 01:21 PM
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Bolland is not close to the defensive center Zajac is. not close.

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10-28-2010, 01:55 PM
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I think it can be argued that Bollands D is better

Bolland shutdown 3 of the best centers in last years playoffs

Like I said in original post this probably wasn't gonna be popular

Figured this made more sense then the Devil fan that was advocating trading Parise in GDT
Doesn't make any sense.

Zajac > Bolland in all aspects of the game. Defensively by far.

Besides for the fact that you want to trade us a "potential 2nd line center" for our first line center.

Bizarro world maybe, but not here.

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10-28-2010, 02:06 PM
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Try Sharp for Zajac and add stuff on both sides, then you may find the deal to be far closer

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10-28-2010, 02:48 PM
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I think it can be argued that Bollands D is better

Bolland shutdown 3 of the best centers in last years playoffs

Like I said in original post this probably wasn't gonna be popular

Figured this made more sense then the Devil fan that was advocating trading Parise in GDT
There's a reason Zajac was 6th in Selke votes.

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10-28-2010, 02:52 PM
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There's a reason Zajac was 6th in Selke votes.
Dont be adding sense to this topic

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10-28-2010, 03:44 PM
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I'm sensing some reluctance from Devils fans to endorse this deal...

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10-28-2010, 03:47 PM
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Doesn't make any sense.

Zajac > Bolland in all aspects of the game. Defensively by far.

Besides for the fact that you want to trade us a "potential 2nd line center" for our first line center.

Bizarro world maybe, but not here.
I don't know how you can say he's defensively better by far. Bolland did do a pretty good job helping shut down the Sedin's, Thornton's and the Richards line last year in the playoffs. He frustrated Daniel and Thornton so much that they resorted to stupid penalties against him. I hardly ever watch the Devils so I don't know much about Zajac but it's hard to say that anyone is better by far defensively than David Bolland. You can point to the Selke voting but Bolland got it done when it mattered most.

Edit: I am in no way, shape or form saying that Bolland has enough value to bring back Zajac.

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10-28-2010, 03:51 PM
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Try Sharp for Zajac and add stuff on both sides, then you may find the deal to be far closer
That doesn't really make sense for New Jersey either as Zajac is a natural centre and Sharp is a winger (though he's done well at centre) and New Jersey are fit to bursting with wingers. Also Zajac has some upside left while Sharp has peaked.

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10-28-2010, 03:57 PM
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I think it would take something like Morin, Bolland, and a 3rd to get Zajac to Chicago discussion going.

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10-28-2010, 04:14 PM
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I think it would take something like Morin, Bolland, and a 3rd to get Zajac to Chicago discussion going.
Don't think it would, Devils are stacked at wing so Morin doesn't fill a need at all.

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10-28-2010, 04:15 PM
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I think it would take something like Morin, Bolland, and a 3rd to get Zajac to Chicago discussion going.
Kovalchuk. Parise. Tedenby. No more LW's for the Devils, lol.

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10-28-2010, 04:24 PM
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Kovalchuk. Parise. Tedenby. No more LW's for the Devils, lol.
D prospects?

Vishnevskiy, Connelly?

Vishnevskiy, Bolland, 1st, 3rd for Zajac?

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10-28-2010, 04:25 PM
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D prospects?

Vishnevskiy, Connelly?

Vishnevskiy, Bolland, 1st, 3rd for Zajac?
Dylan Olsen.

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10-28-2010, 04:36 PM
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Dylan Olsen.
So you want a deal for Olsen, Bolland, a 1st, and a 3rd for Zajac?

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10-28-2010, 04:38 PM
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So you want a deal for Olsen, Bolland, a 1st, and a 3rd for Zajac?

Don't particularly care either way, seeing as I'm a Ranger fan, and would LOL if this trade went down, but Olsen+Bolland+3rd is better value.

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10-28-2010, 04:41 PM
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Don't particularly care either way, seeing as I'm a Ranger fan, and would LOL if this trade went down, but Olsen+Bolland+3rd is better value.
That's great for NJ, but it'd be tough to get ride of one of our top prospects, Bolland, one of our best shudown forwards, and a decent pick. I'm not sure whether or not a lot of Hawks fans do that.

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That's great for NJ, but it'd be tough to get ride of one of our top prospects, Bolland, one of our best shudown forwards, and a decent pick. I'm not sure whether or not a lot of Hawks fans do that.
Well, you gotta give to get, and Zajac is a fantastic player. He's a major upgrade over Bolland, and that upgrade will cost a bit.

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That's great for NJ, but it'd be tough to get ride of one of our top prospects, Bolland, one of our best shudown forwards, and a decent pick. I'm not sure whether or not a lot of Hawks fans do that.
You're getting an even better shutdown forward in return though, If you have to think long and hard about it probably means the value is about right.

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10-28-2010, 04:53 PM
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You're getting an even better shutdown forward in return though, If you have to think long and hard about it probably means the value is about right.
Dylan Olsen is our #2 overall prospect in a pool of prospects that's very deep. He's our #1 defensive prospect, too. Zajac is better than Bolland for sure. I just think that Olsen is too much to give up. A 3rd is alright. I agree on Bolland and a 3rd, but Olsen is too high of a prospect to give up. If we were to trade Olsen, I bet there are other deals out there in which including Olsen in the deal could get us an even better player.

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10-28-2010, 05:25 PM
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Toews/Kane are franchise players

I dont see how Zajac/Bolland is such an outlandish trade idea to have Toews/Kane for Clarkson deals thrown out there

Ask Canuck , Shark and Flyer fans how valuable Bolland is defensively
Ask us what? The guy is solid, you don't have to ask us that. But I have to ask if you're clearly, level headedly asking us if we would endorse Bolland for Zajac straight up? I'll up it from the previously mentioned Sharp and say Kane is you're minimum bartering piece, as New Jersey has to be convinced to move Zajac. Perhaps a small addition from New Jersey, but a 2nd or so would be the absolute maximum.

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I think it would take something like Morin, Bolland, and a 3rd to get Zajac to Chicago discussion going.
More realistic, but keep going. As it has been stated, Morin doesn't fill a need, Bolland is a drop for Zajac, and a third doesn't even things out.

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Zajac is a core player. It will take a core player, or very high end core player potential, to bring that kind of return. Bolland isn't even close. A 3rd is laughable. Olson is a very good prospect, but not good enough for that.

Like I said on the Hawks board, its into the Sharp or Seabrook range and lesser players would be laughed at.

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10-28-2010, 07:13 PM
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Dylan Olsen is our #2 overall prospect in a pool of prospects that's very deep. He's our #1 defensive prospect, too. Zajac is better than Bolland for sure. I just think that Olsen is too much to give up. A 3rd is alright. I agree on Bolland and a 3rd, but Olsen is too high of a prospect to give up. If we were to trade Olsen, I bet there are other deals out there in which including Olsen in the deal could get us an even better player.
you do realize that Devils have no desire or need to deal Zajac so to get him you're going to have to pay through the nose?

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10-28-2010, 09:40 PM
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I would gladly counter

Arnott for Toews

Deal???

its fair right

our 2nd line Center for your 1st

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