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06-10-2004, 01:04 AM
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Hockey Forecaster's Mock Draft

"17. St. Louis Blues: Alvaro Montoya, G, University of Michigan (CCHA)
The Blues are targeting scoring help in this year's draft, though goaltending remains an issue within the organization. If Montoya (or Marek Schwarz for that matter) is available at No. 17, St. Louis GM Larry Pleau will gladly take him--despite the fact he drafted netminders Konstantin Barulin and Chris Beckford-Tseu a year ago. Otherwise, he will target a scoring winger. "
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They claim Pleau and the Blues brass don't think they need a defenseman above all else, which is, of course, a logical conclusion to come to based on their current prospects and roster players....

In any event you can read the rest here:

http://www.forecaster.ca/cbc/hockey/...aft-MockDraft1


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"17. St. Louis Blues: Alvaro Montoya, G, University of Michigan (CCHA)
The Blues are targeting scoring help in this year's draft, though goaltending remains an issue within the organization. If Montoya (or Marek Schwarz for that matter) is available at No. 17, St. Louis GM Larry Pleau will gladly take him--despite the fact he drafted netminders Konstantin Barulin and Chris Beckford-Tseu a year ago. Otherwise, he will target a scoring winger. "
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They claim Pleau and the Blues brass don't think they need a defenseman above all else, which is, of course, a logical conclusion to come to based on their current prospects and roster players....

In any event you can read the rest here:

http://www.forecaster.ca/cbc/hockey/...aft-MockDraft1
No where do they claim to know what the Pleau or the Blues brass 'THINKS'.

Good try though.

Hockey Forcaster is the one that THINKS the Blues will target scorers. But, apparently these are the same people that THINK the Blues should take a goaltender while most people who are familiar with the Blues farm system THINKS that their goaltending situation is fine. So, clearly these people dont know as much about the Blues farm system as they THINK they do.

It may be logical to draft a forward based on what is on the roster at the NHL level.

It is not at all logical to draft a forward based on what is in the farm system.

So.. that begs the question... How logical is it to draft based on your NHL roster?

Pretty stupid if you ask me...

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"The Blues are targeting scoring help in this year's draft..."

Implied here, Stich, is that the Blues THINK they need scoring prospects and not defensive prospects. This is not a difficult concept, ace.

As for the rest of your post... blah blah blah, as usual.

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:lol

No matter how much you think that statement implies something, it doesn't. The Blues aren't just going to tell people what they're looking at in the draft. Common sense, my good friend.

You can shake your head at me all day long and it won't change the fact that our defensive prospects are weaker than our offensive prospects.

The Blues may very well take a forward if that's what's the best of what's available... in fact... I hope they do. That way when we're hurting on defense in 5 years I can think about you... and laugh.

Oh... and the blah blah blah stuff is pretty funny coming from a guy that made a thread for not reason other than to attack me. You're getting good at this trolling stuff.

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06-10-2004, 12:57 PM
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I created this thread to begin a discussion of the mock draft done by forecaster, my friend. No other reason. Just like you (or whomever) posted the link to THN's mock draft.
As for the compliment on my trolling abilities, I picked them up quickly from you, our resident troll. What a shining example you are, too.

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No matter how much you think that statement implies something, it doesn't. The Blues aren't just going to tell people what they're looking at in the draft. Common sense, my good friend.

You can shake your head at me all day long and it won't change the fact that our defensive prospects are weaker than our offensive prospects.
The Blues may very well take a forward if that's what's the best of what's available... in fact... I hope they do. That way when we're hurting on defense in 5 years I can think about you... and laugh.

Oh... and the blah blah blah stuff is pretty funny coming from a guy that made a thread for not reason other than to attack me. You're getting good at this trolling stuff.
The Blues will not be hurting on D in 5 years. They will still have Backman, Jackman, Salvador, and Walker(and potentially Pronger if we lock him up long term) that are NHL experienced plus they will have Byrne, Belle, Fitzgerald, Stuart, Jonsson and Shefflemaier(thats another 6 prospects with NHL potential) either waiting in Worcester or playing in the NHL, plus there is Andre Pervyshin(8th round pick last year) who Jarmo thinks has NHL potential(Jarmo said he had 1st round skill and ability but dropped because of his size). The Blues NEEDS are up front, namely at Center and at LW. Other than Sejna, Zakharov and Bolduc we do not have any offensive prospects in those 2 areas. We have a lot of muckers and defensive specialists but we need to get some scorers. We could probably use a top end goalie if one were available but this year we need to focus on getting some offense into our system, other than Sejna, Zakharov, Bolduc, Backes and Shkotov we are seriously lacking in that department.

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The Blues will not be hurting on D in 5 years. They will still have Backman, Jackman, Salvador, and Walker(and potentially Pronger if we lock him up long term) that are NHL experienced plus they will have Byrne, Belle, Fitzgerald, Stuart, Jonsson and Shefflemaier(thats another 6 prospects with NHL potential) either waiting in Worcester or playing in the NHL, plus there is Andre Pervyshin(8th round pick last year) who Jarmo thinks has NHL potential(Jarmo said he had 1st round skill and ability but dropped because of his size). The Blues NEEDS are up front, namely at Center and at LW. Other than Sejna, Zakharov and Bolduc we do not have any offensive prospects in those 2 areas. We have a lot of muckers and defensive specialists but we need to get some scorers. We could probably use a top end goalie if one were available but this year we need to focus on getting some offense into our system, other than Sejna, Zakharov, Bolduc, Backes and Shkotov we are seriously lacking in that department.
For Stich to assert that he finds it idiotic or whatever that a team takes into consideration it's current professional roster is laughable esp. when you consider the age of the players, such as Backman and Jackman, who are still young enough to be around and contributing in 5 years.
It is very obvious to most that follow the Blues that they need high end offensive prospects, not defensemen.

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For Stich to assert that he finds it idiotic or whatever that a team takes into consideration it's current professional roster is laughable esp. when you consider the age of the players, such as Backman and Jackman, who are still young enough to be around and contributing in 5 years.
It is very obvious to most that follow the Blues that they need high end offensive prospects, not defensemen.
No need to turn it personal. He has his beliefs of how you should build your farm. I too hope that an offensive player is taken, but I won't complain if Smid falls to us, and won't be complaining too much if Montoya is taken.

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It's pretty obvious to anyone who looks at the Blues farm system for more than 2 seconds that they have only one top pairing defensive prospect and as many as a half dozen scoring line offensive prospects.

It is in organization's best interest to set itself to fill whatever hole the team may have in the upcoming years. Right now, if that hole ends up on defense for whatever reason the Blues would be screwed. Plain and simple. That is why a team shouldn't draft based on their NHL roster except for maybe in the case of a goaltender.

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It's pretty obvious to anyone who looks at the Blues farm system for more than 2 seconds that they have only one top pairing defensive prospect and as many as a half dozen scoring line offensive prospects.

It is in organization's best interest to set itself to fill whatever hole the team may have in the upcoming years. Right now, if that hole ends up on defense for whatever reason the Blues would be screwed. Plain and simple. That is why a team shouldn't draft based on their NHL roster except for maybe in the case of a goaltender.
Not many teams have 1 top pairing potential D prospect. I think both Backman and Jackman have demostrated top pairing potential and at times play and they SHOULD be w/ the organization for at least 5 more years, so that is 3.

I think fans could make the arguement for taking a top 4 D man in the 1st round because there are usually far more forwards available in the draft and it may be easier to find a forward Gem in the later rounds then it would be to find a D man.

However, I would rather us try to get a game breaking forward (not likely) then a D man at this time. I know that the King has voiced the opinion in favor of a D man Stich isn't alone here...

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That is not three because neither Jackman or Backman are prospects any longer.

I'd love to get a game breaking forward too... but unless someone drops to us in the 1st round we're not even going to be able to pick up a forward who's a better prospect than what we currently have up front.

On the other hand, if we can leave with one of 5 or so defenseman, he'd be a better prospect than any one of our defensive prospects except for MAYBE Belle.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not against picking up a d-man.

Maybe we should come up with a list of who would/should be the Blues choice if they were to fall to 17. In other words make up a "war room draft board" (as it's called in football)

1. Ovechkin
2. Malkin

Any suggestions for #3? Barker Ladd Tukonen?

I realize that none of these guys will fall, but in order to make the full blues wish list, we have to start at the beginning... here's my top 6...

1. Ovechkin
2. Malkin
3. Tukonen
4. Olesz
5. Barker
6. Ladd

if you're up to it this might be a good subject for another one of your series of polls, stich. I know it's a lot of work, I'd more than understand if you don't want to.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not against picking up a d-man.

Maybe we should come up with a list of who would/should be the Blues choice if they were to fall to 17. In other words make up a "war room draft board" (as it's called in football)

1. Ovechkin
2. Malkin

Any suggestions for #3? Barker Ladd Tukonen?

I realize that none of these guys will fall, but in order to make the full blues wish list, we have to start at the beginning... here's my top 6...

1. Ovechkin
2. Malkin
3. Tukonen
4. Olesz
5. Barker
6. Ladd

if you're up to it this might be a good subject for another one of your series of polls, stich. I know it's a lot of work, I'd more than understand if you don't want to.
My votes:


7. Stafford
8. Schremp
9. Smid
10. Picard
11. Chipchura
12. Sindel
13. Thelen
14. Wolski
15. Valabik
16. Salmonson
17. Bollard
18. Korpikoski
19. O'Neill
20. Green

Note that I didn't put a net minder here, because I don't want one to be taken in the 1st round. I think I would really like to have a play making Center taken w/ our 1st pick (we have a lot of 3rd liners, but outside of Bolduc - 2nd potential, we dont have a top pivet man).

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My votes:


7. Stafford
8. Schremp
9. Smid
10. Picard
11. Chipchura
12. Sindel
13. Thelen
14. Wolski
15. Valabik
16. Salmonson
17. Bollard
18. Korpikoski
19. O'Neill
20. Green

Note that I didn't put a net minder here, because I don't want one to be taken in the 1st round. I think I would really like to have a play making Center taken w/ our 1st pick (we have a lot of 3rd liners, but outside of Bolduc - 2nd potential, we dont have a top pivet man).
I actually agree with most of your list, however I'm gonna start a new thread on this subject.

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your bickering is getting old.... quick.

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there is an 'ignore' function, Rev. Use it.

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there is an 'ignore' function, Rev. Use it.
While I don't disagree with this, a part of me says, "he shouldn't have to."

You and Stich are both knowledgeable and thoughtful posters, GA. This board will be better for it if you two can somehow figure out a way to work together instead of against one another. It shouldn't have to be a game of one-upsmanship, or establishing who has the "better" information or credentials.

Lord knows I've had my disagreements with Stich -- and to be brutally honest with myself, he's right to assert that I'm rather stubborn and like to have things my own way also -- but we patched up our differences (as far as I know, anyway...) and things are moving along smoothly.

In the immortal words of Rodney King, "can't we all just get along?"

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While I don't disagree with this, a part of me says, "he shouldn't have to."

You and Stich are both knowledgeable and thoughtful posters, GA. This board will be better for it if you two can somehow figure out a way to work together instead of against one another. It shouldn't have to be a game of one-upsmanship, or establishing who has the "better" information or credentials.

Lord knows I've had my disagreements with Stich -- and to be brutally honest with myself, he's right to assert that I'm rather stubborn and like to have things my own way also -- but we patched up our differences (as far as I know, anyway...) and things are moving along smoothly.

In the immortal words of Rodney King, "can't we all just get along?"

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I'll admit you guys both know your (stuff), it would be soo much more enjoyable if you two could get along. Otherwise this is slowly going to turn into the stltoday board. By getting along you don't have to agree with anything the other says, just don't bring in snide remarks, personal attacks, etc.

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"17. St. Louis Blues: Alvaro Montoya, G, University of Michigan (CCHA)
The Blues are targeting scoring help in this year's draft, though goaltending remains an issue within the organization. If Montoya (or Marek Schwarz for that matter) is available at No. 17, St. Louis GM Larry Pleau will gladly take him--despite the fact he drafted netminders Konstantin Barulin and Chris Beckford-Tseu a year ago. Otherwise, he will target a scoring winger. "
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They claim Pleau and the Blues brass don't think they need a defenseman above all else, which is, of course, a logical conclusion to come to based on their current prospects and roster players....

In any event you can read the rest here:

http://www.forecaster.ca/cbc/hockey/...aft-MockDraft1
I would love it if Montoya slipped to us. With the quality of goalies in this draft we need to go with a goalie with the first pick unless there is a position player there that is cant miss. We need to fix the goalie problem and I know this doesnt immediatly solve it, but it isnt going to go away by continuing to ignore it. No1 goalies are to hard to trade for we need to draft and develop one.

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In the immortal words of Rodney King, "can't we all just get along?"

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Was there another police beating, or was everyone else just drunk?

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I would love it if Montoya slipped to us. With the quality of goalies in this draft we need to go with a goalie with the first pick unless there is a position player there that is cant miss. We need to fix the goalie problem and I know this doesnt immediatly solve it, but it isnt going to go away by continuing to ignore it. No1 goalies are to hard to trade for we need to draft and develop one.
I think that we have one in Barulin.

If Smid is available at 17, I would jump at him as a Dman, but only because he is better then the other forwards, IMO. But he is the only Dman I would consider taking in the 1st (Outside of Barker, Thellen..). Otherwise go w/ a forward, particularly a Center, as we don't have a 1st line guy in the system.

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I have decided that my little "challenge" to Stich in regards to the Blues drafting a dman was childish and immature and so I imposed a two day "no posting on the blues msg board" penalty on myself for being a punk. Out of respect for the knowledgable and dedicated Blues fan I believe Stich to be he has my sincere promise to make a concerted effort to keep all conflict to an absolute minimum. I owe that to my fellow Blues fans who want their experience on this board to be free of petty childishness.

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I have decided that my little "challenge" to Stich in regards to the Blues drafting a dman was childish and immature and so I imposed a two day "no posting on the blues msg board" penalty on myself for being a punk. Out of respect for the knowledgable and dedicated Blues fan I believe Stich to be he has my sincere promise to make a concerted effort to keep all conflict to an absolute minimum. I owe that to my fellow Blues fans who want their experience on this board to be free of petty childishness.


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CuSa, what he said was nice and all. Unfortunately, it turned out to be a complete lie. Since he posted that he has responded to two of my posts in an ignorant manner and PMed me insulting me.

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CuSa, what he said was nice and all. Unfortunately, it turned out to be a complete lie. Since he posted that he has responded to two of my posts in an ignorant manner and PMed me insulting me.
From now on, my stance with you two bickering...

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