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Pens will not trade Staal unless they get a considerable upgrade on the wing, which i dont see from the leafs, and if Ray Shero wanted Kessel, he would have picked him over staal
Why do people say this? I guess if GM's wanted Datsyuk or Zetterbergh, they would have picked them.
(Yes, I know the example is far-fetched but you get the idea)
What would it take from Toronto to get Staal? I think he could do very well as a 1st line center especially with Kessel. He is big, a good defensive forward and can score. His talent is being wasted on the third line in Pittsburgh. Given his recent injury could he be obtained for a reasonable package?
Staal makes $4 million, the Pens have $600,000 in cap space. How about Gunnarson, 2011 - 3rd rounder and Aulie. This gives them some cap space to work with later in the season and a couple of talented young players.
Let the flaming begin
Personally, I'd rather not give up either d-man at this point in time for the following reasons:
1. The Leafs don't really know yet what they've got with Aulie, not to mention that he currently has very little trade value.
2. Gunnarsson is currently slumping and has been relegated to the press-box. As a result, his trade value is quite low. It would be stupid to trade him at this point in time.
3. The Leafs also can't really afford to throw away draft picks, regardless of the round indicated. I'm not even sure if they even have their third rounder in 2011.
In any event, that package isn't even worth consideration for the Penguins. Nor would the Leafs offer it as such a deal would put the Leafs too close to the cap and would hamper any other potentially better trades from happening.
Would I like to have Jordan Staal on the Leafs? Of course, but it would take something more substantial than Aulie, Gunnarsson, and the draft pick to get Shero to not laugh at that deal. That's also assuming that Jordan Staal would be placed on the trading-block, which I just can't see happening any time soon.
Last edited by EucaLEAFtys: 10-29-2010 at 12:19 PM.
More D-men are about the last thing the Pens need. Any Pens trade has to bring back top 2 line caliber wingers. The Pens don't really need anything else, assuming Fleury gets his head out of his ass and starts stopping the puck again.
No, Toronto trades a 2nd liner for a 2nd liner with 1st line upside and Selke caliber defense. He'd also be Toronto's #1 center, by default.
Maybe you should take a look at Kulemin's stats from the Russian League. Then compare them to players like Malkin and Datsyuk at similar ages, then talk to me about first line potential
Maybe you should take a look at Kulemin's stats from the Russian League. Then compare them to players like Malkin and Datsyuk at similar ages, then talk to me about first line potential
Kulemin is nowhere near the level of Datsyuk and Malkin. You're delusional if you believe it's close.
Staal is simply a better player, and has proved that since 05-06. That's why Toronto needs to add Kadri. It's fair value.
That first proposal is god awful...Two D-men not currently in the lineup and a 3rd rounder for a 21 year old potential first line center, with Selke level defense?
Really??
Awful proposal? Yes, but I don't see Jordan as a #1 center in this league more like a good #2 guy. Jordan just won't put up numbers like his brother.
Why do people say this? I guess if GM's wanted Datsyuk or Zetterbergh, they would have picked them.
(Yes, I know the example is far-fetched but you get the idea)
Because if Shero wanted a 1 dimensial player, with a bad attitude he would have drafted him. Kessel is about stats and stats lead to bigger contracts. Staal contributes to every aspect of the games its not worth it. Not that kessel wouldnt do well in Pitt, but staal is the guy they wanted, and i dont think that has changed
That's a lot but no Colby at that price. I don't even think that would work with the cap. The best piece would have to be better than Kulemin not in this deal but in general. Quantity does not equal quality.
I think the Pens have the cap space to absorb the extra 1.5 or so millions staal at 4 and Kulemin at 2.5 + Colby at 3
anyway with a team that has Crosby and Malkin they kind of need quantity
Because if Shero wanted a 1 dimensial player, with a bad attitude he would have drafted him. Kessel is about stats and stats lead to bigger contracts. Staal contributes to every aspect of the games its not worth it. Not that kessel wouldnt do well in Pitt, but staal is the guy they wanted, and i dont think that has changed
What is there need for him? He is stuck on the third line killing penalities. He will never make it past the 3rd line as long as Malkin and Crosby are there. He has had back to back 49 point seasons. Ponikarovsky had better numbers than him.
I am not trying to discredit him only point out that he could do better on a different team.
If I were a Pens fan I would want him traded to bring in a winger to play with Crosby.
You clearly either know nothing about the Pens or nothing about hockey. I'm guessing both.
Kulemin is nowhere near the level of Datsyuk and Malkin. You're delusional if you believe it's close.
Staal is simply a better player, and has proved that since 05-06. That's why Toronto needs to add Kadri. It's fair value.
I know Kulemin isnt as good as those players, I was simply saying he ALSO has 1st line potential (just like Staal), so adding a guy like Kadri is out of the question
Despite the Pens' good record in this young season, if his time injured this year has shown anything this year it is how valuable Staal is to the Pens. Far from the overrated comments we get so often, Staal may be one of the most underrated players at HF. If you want ten more goals than Staal will bring you and little else there are other options there and maybe the Leafs and others should look to those HF superstars. They will cost you $6 million per year plus rather than Staal's $4 million, but who cares, it is all about the goals here right? And really to most here at the HF trade board the cap seems to some mythical subject that they do not think about anyways, so it is never a consideration. If you want to win, you get players like Staal that bring a lot more to their game than scoring, which he does at a decent clip for his role and linemates, and should only get better perhaps topping 30 goals a year and a similar number of assists in his prime. But scoring seems to be the only judge of a player at HF so just move on from Staal. Pens' fans will be glad if you do.
What would it take from Toronto to get Staal? I think he could do very well as a 1st line center especially with Kessel. He is big, a good defensive forward and can score. His talent is being wasted on the third line in Pittsburgh. Given his recent injury could he be obtained for a reasonable package?
Staal makes $4 million, the Pens have $600,000 in cap space. How about Gunnarson, 2011 - 3rd rounder and Aulie. This gives them some cap space to work with later in the season and a couple of talented young players.
Let the flaming begin
For starters, Jordan Staal just isn't available. Pittsburgh "got by" (the Detroit Red Wings) with their 3 centres and garbage wingers + mediocre D. Now, the cap has gone up and they have an excellent D.
Second, if Jordan Staal were available, Toronto wouldn't be the team to pay a premium for him. Despite the mancrush there is on these boards for a player like him, he's not his brother. He's an extremely high quality 3rd line centre who can problably become a 2nd liner on a team with less depth, and maybe a longshot first liner, very similar to a guy that plays for the other team in this thread, Kris Versteeg (except he's obviously a winger).
Toronto already has a pair of young 2nd line centres in Tyler Bozak and Mikhail Grabovski, plus another potential one on the way in Nazem Kadri. Would Staal be better than both of the current ones? problably, but it doesn't make a ton of sense to pay the price that would be required in order to make what would be a very mild upgrade offensively. Of course, Staal brings Selke calibre defence, but that's not the roll of a top 6 forward in Toronto. BB's structure to building a team is that of a top 6 scoring group and bottom 6 grinding / pk group where everyone has specific roles. As long as players are somewhat responsible defensively (which both of Bozak and Grabovski are), it doesn't make sense to pay any sort of premium for a top 6 forward who is excellent defensively. He wouldn't penalty kill, he wouldn't match up against other team's top units, he'd be relied on to produce. Obviously there is the benefit of the size that he brings to help our small top 6, but that size just isn't worth the price that Pittsburgh would be demanding.
The alternative use -- Jordan Staal as a 3rd line centre would be incredible (just like it is in Pittsburgh)... but that just wouldn't happen because he is problably better than Grabo/Bozak, has a cap hit too high for the role, and problably wouldn't accept such a role when not behind Crosby/Malkin.
If Staal is available, the team(s) after him will be the ones who have a #1 centre, but really need a guy to anchor their 2nd unit.
Clueless!
