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10-29-2010, 03:59 AM
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Whats your shootout list?

After 9 games played, the team havent been on shoutout yet, but I was wondering what are the players you would send by order? I think we have several possibilities and we should pretty tough to win against this year..

Here's mine:

1-Cammalleri
2-A.Kost
3-Gionta
4-Subban
5-Eller
6-Markov
7-Plekanec
8-Pouliot..

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10-29-2010, 04:01 AM
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No Gill?
He gets no respect

Seriously though.
Gomez has the same number of shootout goals as Cammy (6) on less shots (18 vs. 25)


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10-29-2010, 05:09 AM
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10-29-2010, 06:14 AM
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A kost
Subban
Gio
Cammy
Markov
Eller

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10-29-2010, 06:18 AM
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In no particular order:

Cammalleri, Kostitsyn, Gionta, Markov, Plekanec, Subban and Lapierre


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10-29-2010, 06:57 AM
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Gionta
Kostitsyn
Subban
Eller
Markov


Martin has to stop using the likes of Plekanec, Gomez and Cammalleri - they're good players, but bad in shootouts.

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10-29-2010, 07:18 AM
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Too many to chose from... how long has it been since we've been stacked like this?

1- Squid
2- AK
3- Chocolate Rocket
4- Plex
5- The General
6- Gianto
7- Ellerific
8- The Poo-man

I have a feeling Subban will quickly become a regular on the first 3 shooters list. He's got some sick moves against goalies.

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10-29-2010, 07:24 AM
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Gionta
Kostitsyn
Subban
Eller
Markov


Martin has to stop using the likes of Plekanec, Gomez and Cammalleri - they're good players, but bad in shootouts.
This exactly. Except I can see Martin giving one of Gomez/Plekanec/Cammy the nod over Eller

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10-29-2010, 07:33 AM
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1 - Cammy (to break the ice since he's coldblooded)
2 - Kostitsyn
3 - Subban
4 - Plekanec
5 - Gionta
6 - Eller
7 - Lapierre
8 - Markov
9 - Gomez
10 - Pouliot

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10-29-2010, 07:37 AM
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After 9 games played, the team havent been on shoutout yet, but I was wondering what are the players you would send by order? I think we have several possibilities and we should pretty tough to win against this year..

Here's mine:

1-Cammalleri
2-A.Kost
3-Gionta
4-Subban
5-Eller
6-Markov
7-Plekanec
8-Pouliot..
If you've seen 1 bit of Subban shootouts highlights, you know you gotta use him in your top 3. I'd totally put him before Gio right now at least. Gio isnt scoring anyways, wait till he finds the back of the net back. He's beastly

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10-29-2010, 07:50 AM
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1. Kostitsyn
2. Cammalleri
3. Plekanec
4. Gionta
5. Gomez
6. Subban

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10-29-2010, 07:55 AM
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1. Kostitsyn
2. Cammalleri
3. Plekanec
4. Gionta
5. Gomez
6. Subban
?? how is gomez ahead of subban on that list? lol, I wouldn't trust gomez if he was going in on an empty net.

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10-29-2010, 08:39 AM
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1. Plekanec
2. Kostitsyn
3. Subban
4. Gionta
5. Markov
6. Eller
7. Squid
8. Lapierre
9. Gomez
10.Halpern

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10-29-2010, 08:47 AM
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I'd like to believe guys like AK and Pouliot are working on shootout moves in practice, a lot. Lapierre too has the ability to be a shootout specialist, he's scored some great ones. For now though:

AK
Cammy
PK

Gio
Markov
Gomez
Pouliot
Lapierre
Eller

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10-29-2010, 09:25 AM
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Damn, our top 10 for the shootout is pretty good. If we ever get to the 10th shooter, we're sure to win!

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If you've seen 1 bit of Subban shootouts highlights, you know you gotta use him in your top 3. I'd totally put him before Gio right now at least. Gio isnt scoring anyways, wait till he finds the back of the net back. He's beastly
Damn that kid is talented.

Is there anything he can't do? I mean:

- He skates extremely well
- He is extremely fast
- He handles the puck at Kovalev's level
- He can pull awesome passes
- He shoots cannonballs
- He has a very good sense of the game
- He has amazing 1-on-1 defensive skill (stopping a breakaway WITHOUT pulling a penalty)
- He checks like a truck, and ain't afraid to go all-in
- He consistently do a second effort, either after being beaten on a play, or after making a mistake. He sometimes make mistakes, but there ain't a single time he didn't do his very best to negate it. The damnest thing of all, he succeeds most of the time.

And now, he is apparently a very skilled shootout scorer?

And all that, before even 50 games in the NHL!

Gainey

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10-29-2010, 09:40 AM
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Damn, our top 10 for the shootout is pretty good. If we ever get to the 10th shooter, we're sure to win!
+ we got a very good shootout goalie, if I remember correctly.

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10-29-2010, 09:50 AM
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+ we got a very good shootout goalie, if I remember correctly.
IIRC Price didn't even let in a shootout goal until the 5th or 6th shootout last year vs Detroit where Datsyuk scored (no surprises there)

That's quite impressive

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10-29-2010, 09:54 AM
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Obviously we all know Subban is going to be one of the greats

It isn't being overly optimistic, if you watch the kid play and say otherwise you're just a hater. Frankly his defensive game alone merits calling him a future great. He's got the speed and acceleration to basically stop breakaways from happening, and since he accelerates so well he doesn't need to risk taking a penalty in most cases. He can gain a good enough position to make a smart play.

Then we all know his offensive upside and game are just around the corner too. In 2-3 years when this kid hits his prime, so will Eller(or he'll at least be way more developed/less raw), Andrei already looks really good out there, all our young kids will come together and be playing with the men we already have. It's going to be incredible imo.

Plus imagine if we retain Markov at a pay cut, extend one of Gill or Hammer and somehow grab one of those elite level UFA's using any extra cap room we have? Next year with Price if he keeps it up this year and continues on next year... we'll actually be one of the most dangerous teams in the east. Our management likely knows we're +1 defenseman -1 defenseman and +1 forward away from being deadly.

But if Pouliot can grow up and fill that roll... wow we'll be in some serious luck!

Right now we win games without relying on Markov. Last year we started to and this year we continued to. Imagine next year if Markov goes down we have a guy like Erhoff, Kaberle, etc to eat up the minutes and play their game. I mean think of our team right now only switch out Gill for Kaberle, switch out Darche for an actual top 6 forward for Gomer and Gio to play with, we'd be pretty tank.

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1- Andrei Kostitsyn
2- P.K. Subban
3- Michael Cammalleri

4- Maxim Lapierre
5- Tomas Plekanec

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Plus imagine if we retain Markov at a pay cut, extend one of Gill or Hammer and somehow grab one of those elite level UFA's using any extra cap room we have? Next year with Price if he keeps it up this year and continues on next year... we'll actually be one of the most dangerous teams in the east. Our management likely knows we're +1 defenseman -1 defenseman and +1 forward away from being deadly.
The weakness of that argument is obviously: why would Markov accept a pay cut?

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10-29-2010, 10:38 AM
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The weakness of that argument is obviously: why would Markov accept a pay cut?
Hey first off it was an argument more of a statement of what could be. Second of all why would Kaberle accept a pay cut? Why would anyone who does accept a pay cut do it?

Maybe because the team has finally shaped up to be a contender and if he takes a pay cut he knows we would have a lot better chances to win the cup?

Not everyone is greedy, some players despite what you may think do actually want to win the cup and are willing to sacrifice a million dollars or 500k a year for a year or two to make that happen.

You make it sound as if Andrei hasn't already made millions upon millions of dollars. He isn't getting any younger and I'm sure like most players he wants to win a cup before he slows down or retires.

I wouldn't expect him to take a pay cut when he first re-signed because back then it wouldn't have put us over the top. Now a few pay cuts just might. Different team, later in his career and also it can be argued his health is a concern as well.

Plus some players don't just want to sign in Detroit and grab a cup, they actually care about winning on the team they have. (Bourque waited a really long time before finally caving)

I'm sure Plek could've fetched 6-6.5 million on the open market, but would he be playing for a contender? So the real question is why wouldn't he take a pay cut, he's in his 30s, he might not be as good in 5 years and we have a team that could potentially go far right now with a few changes. Not like we need a full rebuild here or anything.


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10-29-2010, 10:46 AM
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Gionta
Subban
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Gomez
Plekanec
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10-29-2010, 10:47 AM
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You make very sound arguments. But I think the players' decision to accept or not a paycut to rush for the Cup will boil down to a very simple question:

Is the player happy to play for this team? Does he loves the crowd? How is the team spirit inside the locker room?

If Markov, Pleks and Kostityn think they are happy here, with these teammates and this public, they might accept to yield some extra money, and go for the glory instead.

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You make very sound arguments. But I think the players' decision to accept or not a paycut to rush for the Cup will boil down to a very simple question:

Is the player happy to play for this team? Does he loves the crowd? How is the team spirit inside the locker room?

If Markov, Pleks and Kostityn think they are happy here, with these teammates and this public, they might accept to yield some extra money, and go for the glory instead.
Yeah that's basically it. I think it could happen, I think right now we have everything going in the right direction.

We have good management/staff, we have a good mix of vets, youth, rookies. Good speed, a few things need to be fixed but those things aren't that far out of the question is all I'm saying.

I won't pretend I know what goes on in a GM / Player negotiation but I figure maybe Markov offers to sign a 1 year deal at a discount and take it from there? Who knows, maybe Pierre will convince him that if he does take a slight cut we can be a shoe in to go deep in the playoffs and maybe even win a cup.

Then again it could go the total opposite and he signs for every penny he deserves for like 5-6 years

All I'm saying I guess is that it wouldn't suprise me if he did take the pay cut just like it wouldn't suprise me if he didn't. Anything is possible in other words.

I think the "pitch" has a lot to do with it too. Notice also we got some key UFA's from the Gomez trade. Players want to play for good teams, they want to play with good players. We now have a lot of valuable players and a good system in place to attract UFA's, to get our current pending UFA's to consider discounts, etc.

When you have a ****** team you need to overpay to get players interested. In the long run if your team becomes good because of that eventually you'll see you will find some players will take a cut.

I'm not expecting Markov to sign at 5 years 5 million. But maybe 2 years 8 million or something like that would be a big cut but also not too big that he's making nothing.

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