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10-30-2010, 02:11 PM
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Caron > Colborne as a Prospect Now?

Coming into this season the general consensus was that Colborne projected as a better player in the long run than Caron. Even at the time I think it was pretty easy to acknowledge that Caron was the better and more complete player right now, but Colborne's potential put him over the top.

Now that we've seen Caron acclimate very well to the NHL and he already looks like a complete player so far, has your opinion changed, or does the 6'5 player with wheels, dangles and untapped upside still win out as the better long-term prospect?

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Coming into this season the general consensus was that Colborne projected as a better player in the long run than Caron. Even at the time I think it was pretty easy to acknowledge that Caron was the better and more complete player right now, but Colborne's potential put him over the top.

Now that we've seen Caron acclimate very well to the NHL and he already looks like a complete player so far, has your opinion changed, or does the 6'5 player with wheels, dangles and untapped upside still win out as the better long-term prospect?
The general consensus was wrong before the season. Caron proved during all of last season he's the better prospect.

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Seguin & Caron are my 2 favorite youngsters & i cant wait for them to get better & get more playing time

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Still far too early to tell, I think. Caron is obviously ahead of Colborne in terms of depth at this point, but that doesn't speak to the overall potential of either player very much. Colborne was a well-known "project pick" when we chose him, and still is. He'll be a scoring line player. I do, however, think that Caron is more of a Bruin-type player in general, so he'll be a fan favorite should he continue to produce at a reasonable pace.

That being said, for all I know Caron could go completely cold and Colborne could all of a sudden catch fire and the lead the AHL in points. Highly unlikely, but stranger things have happened. I'm ecstatic to have both in the organization. Colborne hasn't put up many points in Providence thus far, but I've gone to three games this year, and he is a very noticeable player on the ice. Protects the puck well, and displays way more patience than most of the forwards in that league when he has it. You can tell how well he thinks the game.

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Colborn had 2 assist last night, looked way more involved and played physical. He had his best game as a pro I would say. He seems to be adjusting to the style.

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Colborn had 2 assist last night, looked way more involved and played physical. He had his best game as a pro I would say. He seems to be adjusting to the style.
Well then he used it all up because he played like **** today.

Short answer from me is YES, Caron has not just jumped, but leaped ahead of Colborne.

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Colborne might still have the higher upside, but it'd be tough to argue that he's a better prospect than Jordan Caron at the moment.

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Unless you're talking about goaltenders there's little need to compare two hockey prospects, even ones that play the same position. You need 12 forwards on a team with many overlapping skillsets and there will be plenty of room in the future for both Colborne and Caron if they earn it.

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Seguin & Caron are my 2 favorite youngsters & i cant wait for them to get better & get more playing time
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Colborne might still have the higher upside, but it'd be tough to argue that he's a better prospect than Jordan Caron at the moment.
Agreed. We all knew Caron would adapt quickly to the NHL because he plays a pro style game naturally. Colborne was drafted as a project, is making progress but is still a project. He may need two years in the AHL and there's nothing wrong with that. He could still be the better player in the long run.

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Obviously Caron is a better prospect than Colborne right now. He is in the NHL and contributing while Colborne is in the AHL. Was it really that hard to figure that one out?

But overall Colborne has a much higher ceiling than Caron.

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I think that we need to see Colborne play with the big boys before we can compare them.

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Nothing has changed. Caron has always been the safer bet and Colborne has always had the higher ceiling. Joe was a project when we drafted him. People should have known that: poor league, not used to his body, etc.

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Agreed. We all knew Caron would adapt quickly to the NHL because he plays a pro style game naturally. Colborne was drafted as a project, is making progress but is still a project. He may need two years in the AHL and there's nothing wrong with that. He could still be the better player in the long run.
I've had my say on these two, and pretty much agree with everything you said; that said- outstanding job with your recent HF prospect report; very well done (if anyone hasn't read it, go check it out, gives one a great understanding of this organization)

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I've had my say on these two, and pretty much agree with everything you said; that said- outstanding job with your recent HF prospect report very well done (if anyone hasn't read it, go check it out, gives one a great understanding of this organization)

I read it last night. Great job Bill.

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With another goal tonight vs. Ottawa, it looks like the debate is settled.

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by who, exactly

the "debate" over which player will have the more successful career won't have something approaching an answer for years, and even then there's no indication that it won't be one of those tastes great, less filling sort of grey area disputes

as for who is more valuable to the bruins at t = 0, yeah, it's the guy playing in the nhl, but that's kind of an obvious truism

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by who, exactly

the "debate" over which player will have the more successful career won't have something approaching an answer for years, and even then there's no indication that it won't be one of those tastes great, less filling sort of grey area disputes

as for who is more valuable to the bruins at t = 0, yeah, it's the guy playing in the nhl, but that's kind of an obvious truism
Obviously we won't know for years but the point of this is to project who you think will be better. To me it's all about weighing Colborne's ceiling and the probability you think he has of reaching it vs. Caron, who seems to be more of a sure thing, but probably doesn't have the upside of a guy that big with that skillset.

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the "debate" over which player will have the more successful career won't have something approaching an answer for years, and even then there's no indication that it won't be one of those tastes great, less filling sort of grey area disputes

as for who is more valuable to the bruins at t = 0, yeah, it's the guy playing in the nhl, but that's kind of an obvious truism

If you don't like projecting players because of the uncertainty of it, I suppose you could look at the question as who has the most trade value. And the answer to that would have to be Caron. Although, like I said earlier, Colborne could end up being a better/more valuable player.

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the "debate" over which player will have the more successful career won't have something approaching an answer for years, and even then there's no indication that it won't be one of those tastes great, less filling sort of grey area disputes

as for who is more valuable to the bruins at t = 0, yeah, it's the guy playing in the nhl, but that's kind of an obvious truism
Oh where, oh where is my crystal ball?

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If you don't like projecting players because of the uncertainty of it, I suppose you could look at the question as who has the most trade value. And the answer to that would have to be Caron. Although, like I said earlier, Colborne could end up being a better/more valuable player.
And Maxime Sauve could end up being the equal of them both.

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Obviously Caron is a better prospect than Colborne right now. He is in the NHL and contributing while Colborne is in the AHL. Was it really that hard to figure that one out?

But overall Colborne has a much higher ceiling than Caron.
Being better right now doesn't make you the better prospect.

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Unless you're talking about goaltenders there's little need to compare two hockey prospects, even ones that play the same position. You need 12 forwards on a team with many overlapping skillsets and there will be plenty of room in the future for both Colborne and Caron if they earn it.
I'm not suggesting one will become expendable because the other is better. It's all for the sake of debating. Why debate Orr vs. Gretzky, Crosby vs. Ovechkin, etc. It's just for fun.

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Big Joe is 20 years old and still growing into his sizable frame. He has a nice skill set and needs ice time every night, ProBruins is the place for him.

Ill bet a six pack of Texas beer he is in serious contention for a roster spot next year. The kid has oodles of talent and needs to mature. No rush with him...

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Let's keep in mind that kids develop at different rates.

I still think Colborne has a bigger "upside" than Caron, though.

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