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02-21-2011, 06:50 PM
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For a team that already scores more than enough points and still can't beat those teams. As far as I recall, Anthony hasn't won anything in this league.

Maybe the way to beat Boston or Miami might be to find a way to stop Boston and Miami.
The knicks defense has actually not been that bad, and Melo is not as bad at defense as people think. STAT has even played good defense this year.

Their philosophy with Coach D is to score, and score a lot. One of the best scorers in the league will help you do that. Easy to find role players, only one that hurts me is losing gallo.

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Has Howard said he'd think about leaving Orlando?

Howard on this squad would be nuts.

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But honestly guys, all circumstances aside, if Mozgov is not in the deal it is essentially trading Gallo for Melo. Who in their right mind wouldn't do that?

Chandler is gone after this year. Felton/Billups is a wash with their contracts.

Which leaves Gallo for Melo. Of course we all want them to trade nothing for one of the best scorers, but that is not how things work. Of course we would want to wait for the summer. But it is no guarantee we get him then either.

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02-21-2011, 06:54 PM
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Has Howard said he'd think about leaving Orlando?

Howard on this squad would be nuts.
Rumors are he wants to be a Laker.

If he reaches FA anything can happen. He'd be my #1 target.

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02-21-2011, 06:55 PM
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i find the notion of anyone being appalled by the trade parameters as they stand to be hilarious/

do you guys watch basketball or do you just look for excuses to bash dolan?

chandler? gone this summer anyway
gallo? ok, nice enough player....but he's a 3 and last i checked, melo is too.
felton? like him, but guess what? chauncey's deal expires the same year as his does.
curry's expiring deal? what else do you wanna do with it? make a move for stephen jackson?
mozgov? whatever, if that's the dealbreaker they can have him.

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02-21-2011, 06:57 PM
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For a team that already scores more than enough points and still can't beat those teams. As far as I recall, Anthony hasn't won anything in this league.

Maybe the way to beat Boston or Miami might be to find a way to stop Boston and Miami.
But they know what the Knicks are going to do offensively. The Knicks have one prominent scoring threat, and that is Amar'e.

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02-21-2011, 07:00 PM
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But they know what the Knicks are going to do offensively. The Knicks have one prominent scoring threat, and that is Amar'e.
Exactly, Melo would spread the floor, can't double Amare without being burned by Melo/Fields/Billups/Idontcare

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Happy they are going to hang onto Fields it seems.

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I know everyone wants to wait, but there is literally nothing to assure we land him in the offseason. This team needs to be safe ó acquire Melo now. They WILL have to give up parts that they donít want to give up. It will suck ass having to lose someone like Gallo, but you have to give to get.

I want to keep everyone we can keep, but I think you have to be OK with losing a part you donít want to lose. Chandler is walking in FA if we signed Melo, so heís really a part we can give up without caring too much either way.

Felton for Billups really isnít that bad. Relatively equal players. Ray is younger, but Billups brings some much needed experience and leadership to this team. Frankly, Iím surprised Denver wants to do that deal. I think it might actually be a plus for us, since heís much more experienced in the long haul. Felton would only be here until 2012, anyway, and hopefully replaced by CP3 or DWill.

Losing Gallo will hurt a lot if thatís how it goes, but if he is the breaking point for this deal? You have to bite the bullet. If we had it in writing that Melo will only sign with us, fine. Stand your ground. But things can change in a hot minute and he could easily back out of that.

Randolph is useless. Curry is useless. Obviously neither of them mean anything for us in the long haul.

I agree that we need to stand our ground and not lose more parts like Mozgov or Fields, but giving up Gallo and Felton is not the end of the world. Far from it.

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02-21-2011, 07:04 PM
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Rumors are he wants to be a Laker.

If he reaches FA anything can happen. He'd be my #1 target.
I think we'd need a LEGIT PG more than Howard, TBH.

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02-21-2011, 07:16 PM
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How about you don't get Anthony and get yourself Chandler or Gasol this summer, and then go after Williams or Paul the next year.

PG-Paul/Williams
SG-Fields
SF-Gallo
PF-Amare
C-Gasol/Chandler

Still an excellent offensive team, but much better defensively. Much better.

I don't even know why I care, I hate this ****ing team. I've hated them since 98-99. They're an embarrassment. I thought they'd finally changed. Finally learned their lesson. But they've learned nothing. I hope they get Anthony. I hope Thomas comes back to run the team. They all deserve each other, especially Dolan. You need a bench in this league, and you need a big man that plays defense, and they won't have either of those things.

I hope the Nets do get Gallo. I'll enjoy watching him develop into a terrific all-around player for them.

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02-21-2011, 07:19 PM
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How about you don't get Anthony and get yourself Chandler or Gasol this summer, and then go after Williams or Paul the next year.

PG-Paul/Williams
SG-Fields
SF-Gallo
PF-Amare
C-Gasol/Chandler

Still an excellent offensive team, but much better defensively. Much better.

I don't even know why I care, I hate this ****ing team. I've hated them since 98-99. They're an embarrassment. I thought they'd finally changed. Finally learned their lesson. But they've learned nothing. I hope they get Anthony. I hope Thomas comes back to run the team. They all deserve each other, especially Dolan. You need a bench in this league, and you need a big man that plays defense, and they won't have either of those things.

I hope the Nets do get Gallo. I'll enjoy watching him develop into a terrific all-around player for them.
Thank you. Focusing on a top tier C and PG gives us the "star power" necessary to challenge the Heatles and Boston, without destroying the bench.

Carmelo can come if he wants. Not at the cost of all of that.

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02-21-2011, 07:31 PM
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I think we'd need a LEGIT PG more than Howard, TBH.
I'll agree to disagree. Howard will shutdown Garnett, bosh, boozer & gasol in the playoffs. Clean up most of our defensive mistakes around the rim(I'm looking at you amare).

We don't need a big name pg, look @ Felton this year. Need a pg whos solid on O&D & van shoot the 3. Then get a pitbull defender to play the 2. Get a solid energy backup C(Amundsen-ish) & a couple more backups(mike wont play many of em).

That's a team that'll compete for rings. Think Duncan/Robinson lite with a deadly close- games-out 1on1 scorer in Melo.

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02-21-2011, 07:33 PM
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Tyson Chandler worries me. Contact year beast. I always thought he would be great in dantoni's system but injuries & compete level(once paid) worry me.

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Marc Gasol probably isn't happening either, read a story a few weeks ago he is only a RFA, Grizzlies can match any deal, and he went to high school in Memphis, and is like a 2nd home for him from Spain. Grizzlies also say he is their number 1 priority.

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Don't know if this is a legit source...

http://www.iamagm.com/news/2011/02/1...tead.gallinari

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Christ the Nuggets are so god damn annoying. Carmelo doesn't want to play for you. ****ing get over it and trade him already.

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Don't know if this is a legit source...

http://www.iamagm.com/news/2011/02/1...tead.gallinari
That's from Saturday.

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That's from Saturday.
Oh you're right. My friend linked to me and said they wanted Fields.

Still though, this wasn't being discussed I think.

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I really have no idea why Gallo is even being offered right now. Knicks definitely have leverage in negotiations right now. Melo won't do a sign and trade with any team, but the Knicks. Give them Chandler and other smaller pieces. That's it. There really is no one else that can trade for him. Nets management is all talk.

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I really have no idea why Gallo is even being offered right now. Knicks definitely have leverage in negotiations right now. Melo won't do a sign and trade with any team, but the Knicks. Give them Chandler and other smaller pieces. That's it. There really is no one else that can trade for him. Nets management is all talk.
Gallo and Melo play the same position... i think he would be ideal to trade gallo.

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I really have no idea why Gallo is even being offered right now. Knicks definitely have leverage in negotiations right now. Melo won't do a sign and trade with any team, but the Knicks. Give them Chandler and other smaller pieces. That's it. There really is no one else that can trade for him. Nets management is all talk.
The Nuggets can keep him and he'd probably sign the extension with them because if he doesn't he could end up losing a lot of money.

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The Nuggets can keep him and he'd probably sign the extension with them because if he doesn't he could end up losing a lot of money.
The money thing is a bit over exaggerated. If he comes to New York and signs a contract at 10 Mil a year, he still makes more money than the 3 year/65 Mil he could sign the extension for. He has said it before and its not the couple of millions that can be at risk if he does not sign the extension.

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The money thing is a bit over exaggerated. If he comes to New York and signs a contract at 10 Mil a year, he still makes more money than the 3 year/65 Mil he could sign the extension for. He has said it before and its not the couple of millions that can be at risk if he does not sign the extension.
The extension is everything. It's the only reason the Knicks are paying full price.

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The Nuggets can keep him and he'd probably sign the extension with them because if he doesn't he could end up losing a lot of money.
I think that's way more likely then him being a net.

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