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06-10-2004, 03:47 PM
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Olesz??

I have heard mixed reports about Rostislav Olesz.

I was hoping that someone who has seen him play or suscribes to a scouting service could tell me what type of game he plays.

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Well he has the potential to be a danerous sniper, but he plays a game similar to Mike Peca. The guy just hits and hits and hits.

He suffered from consistency issues and had a concussion BUT if he puts all the pieces together, I personally think he could be the best kid in the draft.

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Is the reason he didn't put up big numbers because he suffered from lack of ice time, defensive-minded coach/system, or just a difficult league

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Well he was adjusting to a new league, i just think he didnt have the year many people hoped for.

For as talented as he is, he's a bit raw. He's a player who could probably step into the NHL right away but at the same time he's a player who will need a few years to potentially put it all together.

For example he needs to develop confidence in his ability to shoot and he needs to learn to pace himself out there. I think when he does those two things, he could start to realize the player he can potentially become.

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how many points do you see him putting up playing in the NHL?

My guess would be between 65-80

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It depends.

If the scoring doesn't develop to it's potential, than he could be a solid 15 goal, 35 point checking center.

If he does reach his talent level and puts all the pieces together, than it's not out of his abilities to possibly become a 30 plus goal, 60 plus point player.

I think he is an NHL player even if the scoring doesnt come, but how high he reaches is impossible to say at this time.

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Is the reason he didn't put up big numbers because he suffered from lack of ice time, defensive-minded coach/system, or just a difficult league
Basically he has played as a third defenseman on the ice the whole season in Czech Extraleague. Utilized mostly as defensive left winger. When he was shifted at the right wing in the playoffs, his offensive game improved a lot.

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His skills are similar to Milan Michalek's, San Jose's first rounder from 2003.

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Basically he has played as a third defenseman on the ice the whole season in Czech Extraleague. Utilized mostly as defensive left winger. When he was shifted at the right wing in the playoffs, his offensive game improved a lot.
Do you think he will play Rw or C in the NHL?

What would be his offensive potential?

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Do you think he will play Rw or C in the NHL?

What would be his offensive potential?
I agree with Edge, he'll probably be more valuable as a Winger.

Just curious, why do you want to know what his offensive potential is?

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No reason inparticular but I am just trying to gain some more info on the guys the rangers might draft

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i think its realistic to say i expect him to a be a player in the NHL. Asking for 15 goals and 35 points isnt too much to ask.

HOWEVER if he puts all his pieces together and fires on all cylinders {Which would happen if he has a chance to play with Jagr I believe} I honestly think the sky is the limit for this kid.

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Possible line of the future?

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Olesz would probably have a heart attack getting to play with Jagr.

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Olesz would probably have a heart attack getting to play with Jagr.
well we don't want that

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I hear that one knock on Olesz is that he is a below average skater.

Is this true? I mean, is this possible on a define top 10 pick?

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I don't think so. I mean he's not blinding but i wouldnt say below average.

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O, thanks.

That makes me feel better

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Edge,

Is Olesz comparable to Patrick Stefan? Stefan was a scorer in IHL, but is utilized by Atlanta as a checking center. Granted, he can step in and play on the 1st line if, say, Savard is injured. Is the same future awaits Olesz?

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The reports that I have read on Olesz question his offensive upside; this is the one major question mark that surrounds him. Also the reports suggest that he is more of a playmaker than he is a scorer and he is strong on face - offs, so he may be better suited as a center.

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That's where I think picking Olesz couls get interesting.

Using the old good cop, bad cop routine:

Anyone who has seen him has seen this kid has some shots and some offensive magic in him.

However he wasnt in a situation this year where he could totally use it.

However he dd show it in different tournaments where he could escape his "role".

However he was inconsistent this season.

However if he puts it all together and is allowed to grow, he could be a very dangerous player.

However it's not a sure thing.

In the end I think he has it in him. I dont think he doesn't have the offensive upside, so much as he is still working on putting it together consistently.

He has all the makings of a center, though it could easily be argued that using him as a RW {at least as he develops} might help his offensive side along because he can be dangerous off the wings.

As for Patrik Stefan, I think they are different players. Olesz at this stage isn't as big, and is far more physical and aggressive.

Everyone talks about his once concussion but everyone has seemingly forgot that Malkin's was far worse. I guess that happens when you have a "hype" machine behind you. {That's not to say Malkin doesn't have great potential, but the shinier the stone the more people who are willing to overlook the cracks}.

The best comparison I heard so far was Mike Peca. Olesz {at least right now} is physical in that kind of way.

If he only cashes in on a little bit of his potential I think he's at lest an Oleg Saprykin type. If he cashes in on all of it, well I won't put that kind of pressure on him. Let's just say it could be very good.

But with any prospect, time will tell.

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That's where I think picking Olesz couls get interesting.

Using the old good cop, bad cop routine:

Anyone who has seen him has seen this kid has some shots and some offensive magic in him.

However he wasnt in a situation this year where he could totally use it.

However he dd show it in different tournaments where he could escape his "role".

However he was inconsistent this season.

However if he puts it all together and is allowed to grow, he could be a very dangerous player.

However it's not a sure thing.

In the end I think he has it in him. I dont think he doesn't have the offensive upside, so much as he is still working on putting it together consistently.

He has all the makings of a center, though it could easily be argued that using him as a RW {at least as he develops} might help his offensive side along because he can be dangerous off the wings.

As for Patrik Stefan, I think they are different players. Olesz at this stage isn't as big, and is far more physical and aggressive.

Everyone talks about his once concussion but everyone has seemingly forgot that Malkin's was far worse. I guess that happens when you have a "hype" machine behind you. {That's not to say Malkin doesn't have great potential, but the shinier the stone the more people who are willing to overlook the cracks}.

The best comparison I heard so far was Mike Peca. Olesz {at least right now} is physical in that kind of way.

If he only cashes in on a little bit of his potential I think he's at lest an Oleg Saprykin type. If he cashes in on all of it, well I won't put that kind of pressure on him. Let's just say it could be very good.

But with any prospect, time will tell.
Seems like a lot of "if's" and "maybe's" Also I think same can be applied to Tukonen:

He can at least be a Saprykin
He has shown skill and results when given good linemates and good icetime
He also loves hitting and plays physical.

I guess I am ok with either taking Ladd, Olesz or Tukonen at #6.

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To be honest all three have a list you can do that with {just about every player in this draft does}.

Ladd, Tukonen and Olesz I think will all be NHL players. They are just at different stages right now.

Ladd right now has shown the most offense.

Olesz has the highest ceiling.

Tukonen is the steadiest and probably safest.

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