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02-18-2013, 01:29 PM
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I think my biggest issue character wise is Rick. I think he's too much like the Se7en version of Brad Pitt. Just insanely overacts all the time. That and I'm kinda pissed that Tyrese's group took off so quick. He's a pretty cool character.

I find in the comic Michonne is so much more developed then in the show. In the show, they have yet to mention her former occupation, didn't mention the origin of her walkers, and shes some reclusive loner instead of a crazy nympho.
This is exactly what I was saying earlier that her character just doesn't seem developed in the series.

I think her introudction in the series was well done, and was pretty dramatic as a season ender cliffhanger, but I feel her strangely less compelling absent her walkers. Theres a whole story line there left out, not sure what her occupation was as I never read the comics but she's wooden in the series. Just angry loner hater type character. No nuance.
As far as the Nympho thing there could be less of that depicted just because of the network and afairc really no sexual content in the series. HBO, it would probably be different. We'd have zombies on viagra going nuts..stripper zombies, pole dancer zombies, seducing, siren zombies..

Heres one thought. Character development is different in comics due to "thought bubbles" where you actually read what the character is thinking, and the narrative being different and often all omniscient in comics. For instance the cryptkeeper type narrative that tells the story. You really don't get that on film and particularly in a non narrator program. You get only what you see save for Ricks lunatic voices from within ramblings. Maybe they needed a Rod Serling type narrator at start of each program ala Night Gallery or Twilight zone or Hitchcock.

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Really weak episode imo. The hilites shown last week very different from what transpired on the latest episode. Basically everything shown didn't take place on this episode. It was like a lull before the storm but not a particularly entertaining one.

One of the things that takes this series down jmo, is how much time they spend on character development for characters that end up buying it anyway.

Also the young and the restless episode between Glen and whats her face took up much of the episode. Glen being angry all the time with pent up rage and needing a talking to every 5 mins and the protagonist wandering around the OUTSIDE of the compound insane you wonder how these are the survivors in a post apocalyptic world.

Also, the scenes of spraying fire from a semiautomatic in a world where supplies are very limited and wasting ammo is ridiculous years into the story.

Nitpicking but just a wish that they would keep some plot consistency. One day they have no ammo. Next day its firing like drunken pirates.
What? They are not "years" into the zombie apocalypse.

As for Rick. As its been said in the thread on the entertainment board, everybody deals with PTSD in a different way.

Think of what the guy has been through. If you nitpick at any show you can make a case that every one has inconsistencies I guess. The Governor spraying into the air like a deranged madman (even after looting the caches of military weapons + ammo) was a little silly but you have to remember he's been on a downward spiral since Michonne killed his daughter. There is no rhyme or reason to his actions right now and it was obvious he didn't go to the prison to wipe out Rick's group. More of a display of power than anything else.

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They're probably a year in. They've only been through one winter. I could be wrong but I think the first two seasons really only take place over a few months. The first season was only 6 episodes.

Rick wakes up. Meets back up with Lori and Carl after a few days. The group spends a couple days driving to that CDC place. They spend a night there. The place blows up. They go back on the road. Carl gets shot and they spend a few weeks on the farm before that's over run.

Just look how old the baby is. Lori was with Shane for only the first 2 or 3 episodes of the series and there is a possibility that the baby is his.


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What? They are not "years" into the zombie apocalypse.

As for Rick. As its been said in the thread on the entertainment board, everybody deals with PTSD in a different way.

Think of what the guy has been through. If you nitpick at any show you can make a case that every one has inconsistencies I guess. The Governor spraying into the air like a deranged madman (even after looting the caches of military weapons + ammo) was a little silly but you have to remember he's been on a downward spiral since Michonne killed his daughter. There is no rhyme or reason to his actions right now and it was obvious he didn't go to the prison to wipe out Rick's group. More of a display of power than anything else.
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They're probably a year in. They've only been through one winter. I could be wrong but I think the first two seasons really only take place over a few months. The first season was only 6 episodes.

Rick wakes up. Meets back up with Lori and Carl after a few days. The group spends a couple days driving to that CDC place. They spend a night there. The place blows up. They go back on the road. Carl gets shot and they spend a few weeks on the farm before that's over run.

Just look how old the baby is. Lori was with Shane for only the first 2 or 3 episodes of the series and there is a possibility that the baby is his.
Okay, specific to the winter point I'm a little confused here. My understanding( I could be wrong on this) is the series is based somewhere in Georgia, and not far from Atlanta, my understanding being this is a place that doesn't experience winter as I would recognize it. For someone not reading the comic book I'm not entirely sure how a time frame could be established other than Lori's pregnancy (which I just thought about due to a flu-puss filled brain...)

I just got confused due to my timeframe and the series having been on over the last few winters. mybad on that.

Not discounting the stress and PTSD that goes on. Everybody would crazy to a degree in that world. But the Governor, and Rick at least, throughout the series, has been shown to be really adept at dealing with any nature of stuff thrown at him. If he easily succumbed it would've been earlier. But he battled strong out of a hospital bed and having been in a coma. Laying down would've taken place much earlier if he was someone susceptible to mental illness, disorder, PTSD etc. What he is as depicted was a cream of the crop dealer competent in any situation and leading the way in Clint Eastwood fashion. Now he's a mind ravaged wandering mess.

The only thing that could explain this is that his stay at the prison has represented the only time where he could kind of sitback and have a meltdown. In that case maybe plausible that his downturn required a period of semi normality for it to surface.

But then Lori died and everything but everybody hated her, but he loved her i suppose, even though he didn't....

and I'm on fullscale random postulating mode here and likely stream of consciousness wrong on everything I just stated... lol Rather than edit probably funnier just to submit reply as is.

Its interesting discussion in anycase.

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02-18-2013, 03:37 PM
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For those of you who haven't watched this season yet...
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Rick loved Lori. She got killed. By the boy he's trying to protect. She's the wife that he's trying to protect. Her life was one of the things that gave his life meaning, even if he was furious with her. He never got to say goodbye. He never got to hold her body.

I suspect its his way of dealing with her death.

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02-18-2013, 03:41 PM
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Rick loved Lori. She got killed. By the boy he's trying to protect. She's the wife that he's trying to protect. Her life was one of the things that gave his life meaning, even if he was furious with her. He never got to say goodbye. He never got to hold her body.

I suspect its his way of dealing with her death.
Yeah I know.

My flu ravaged brain exploded in the previous meandering post. I'm a mental zombie today. Ricks context is pretty screwed up as you described.

I'm wrong on what I said earlier in anycase. Which is why discussing it is helpful in understanding some of the stuff.

probably I let my own dislike Lori perspective get in the way of common sense.

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This is exactly what I was saying earlier that her character just doesn't seem developed in the series.

I think her introudction in the series was well done, and was pretty dramatic as a season ender cliffhanger, but I feel her strangely less compelling absent her walkers. Theres a whole story line there left out, not sure what her occupation was as I never read the comics but she's wooden in the series. Just angry loner hater type character. No nuance.
As far as the Nympho thing there could be less of that depicted just because of the network and afairc really no sexual content in the series. HBO, it would probably be different. We'd have zombies on viagra going nuts..stripper zombies, pole dancer zombies, seducing, siren zombies..

Heres one thought. Character development is different in comics due to "thought bubbles" where you actually read what the character is thinking, and the narrative being different and often all omniscient in comics. For instance the cryptkeeper type narrative that tells the story. You really don't get that on film and particularly in a non narrator program. You get only what you see save for Ricks lunatic voices from within ramblings. Maybe they needed a Rod Serling type narrator at start of each program ala Night Gallery or Twilight zone or Hitchcock.
It's actually almost an entirely dialogue driven book. I just imagine they cut some things for time issues, etc. Michonne is supposed to be some lady that just used to be a lawyer and the first people she knew that turned were her boyfriend and his bestfriend (her walkers). She stole the sword from her crazy neighbor.

The whole Rick going crazy thing is done entirely over the phone in the books, and actually further along in the story then what they are doing it. Honestly, if you like the tv show, you'd probably enjoy the comics. I think they have 109 issues so far, I'm on like #92 I think

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Loved last nights episode BTW.


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My coworker is a big tv and movie fan he owns thousands of dvds. He lent me season 1 and 2 and after watching the first episode of season 1 I was hooked. He also got me hooked on Sons Of Anarchy and Dexter. All 3 of those shows are my favorite on tv and I have seen every episode of those shows so far. Great shows I am loving Season 3 the Walking Dead right now and I can't wait for Dexter and SOA to start up again.

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Wasn't really expecting that ....
Season finale should be awesome.
Let's hope Michonne finally gets her dance with the Governor.

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Wasn't really expecting that ....
Season finale should be awesome.
Let's hope Michonne finally gets her dance with the Governor.
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Great episode last night! I loved the ending when mearl rolls up with a pack of walkers behind him. I know he killed like 5-6 guys but I thought he would at least get a couple of important guys.

I thought it was so sad that Daryl ended up killing his brother. He wasn't a killer before he met the governer and it wasn't too late for him to change.

Also the governor is crazy. I can't believe he bit his fingers off.

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A few questions about a zombie apocalypse.

1)What are the daily caloric requirements of a zombie?

2)Can a zombie save energy like a reptile and just lay around for days on end waiting for a food source to wander by? Do they kind of shutdown metabolic processes?

3)What is the feeding free range of a zombie?

4)Why would zombies be social hunters when it would conceiveably make more sense for them to be stealthy individual foragers?

5)Zombies presumably feed mostly on fresh humans. Yet the human population has been decimated for along time and with the zombie population evidently greatly exceeding that. But given that one is the food source for the other how is such a significant imbalance in predator/prey populations maintained.

lol

sorry to bring a biological argument into this but one thing I always think as I watch the series is that if people survive through the epidemic and initial wave of human culling eventually the zombie population will decline and become rare. This just doesn't seem to be the case in any of these depictions.

ps Also wheres all the teenaged rebellious zombies not listening to mom and dad? Wheres the inattentive zombies listening to iphones while walking into a truck? Wheres the nihilistic, anarchic young zombies listening to death metal?

j/k aside theres a lot of sardonic wit that could be had in these zombie shows/movies.


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What could be better than finding a fully stocked liquor store, an old beater, listening to Lemmy from Motorhead while pounding back 26's and running over zombies? Nice swansong.

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A few questions about a zombie apocalypse.

1)What are the daily caloric requirements of a zombie?

2)Can a zombie save energy like a reptile and just lay around for days on end waiting for a food source to wander by? Do they kind of shutdown metabolic processes?

3)What is the feeding free range of a zombie?

4)Why would zombies be social hunters when it would conceiveably make more sense for them to be stealthy individual foragers?

5)Zombies presumably feed mostly on fresh humans. Yet the human population has been decimated for along time and with the zombie population evidently greatly exceeding that. But given that one is the food source for the other how is such a significant imbalance in predator/prey populations maintained.

lol

sorry to bring a biological argument into this but one thing I always think as I watch the series is that if people survive through the epidemic and initial wave of human culling eventually the zombie population will decline and become rare. This just doesn't seem to be the case in any of these depictions.

ps Also wheres all the teenaged rebellious zombies not listening to mom and dad? Wheres the inattentive zombies listening to iphones walking into a truck?

j/k aside theres a lot of sardonic wit that could be had in these zombie shows/movies.
If you haven't already, read World War Z by Max Brooks. All will be answered there.

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What could be better than finding a fully stocked liquor store, an old beater, listening to Lemmy from Motorhead while pounding back 26's and running over zombies? Nice swansong.
Mmhmm!

Still can't believe that a car with ghetto rims like those, had a Motorhead CD/cassette in it.

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What could be better than finding a fully stocked liquor store, an old beater, listening to Lemmy from Motorhead while pounding back 26s and running over zombies? Nice swansong.
The Beatles Abbey Road or some Dave Clark Five would have been sweet.

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The Beatles Abbey Road or some Dave Clark Five would have been sweet.
Well I love the Beatles but only Helter Skelter kinda fits the zombie apocalypse.

Dave Clark Five?

Motorhead is apt.

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The episode was definitely entertaining but...Michonne talked Merle into changing his whole mindset in about 10 minutes? Find that hard to believe.

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The episode was definitely entertaining but...Michonne talked Merle into changing his whole mindset in about 10 minutes? Find that hard to believe.
His mindset had more to do with the guy needing a drink, IMO.

And considering the forum we're in, I'd say we've all been there.

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Well I love the Beatles but only Helter Skelter kinda fits the zombie apocalypse.

Dave Clark Five?

Motorhead is apt.
I would have laughed if this song had been playing.

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The episode was definitely entertaining but...Michonne talked Merle into changing his whole mindset in about 10 minutes? Find that hard to believe.
Being that he already had it in his mind to get hammered any way he can and go out in a blaze of glory I don't think he wanted to go out as a murderer of someone like Michonne. She skillfully got him to consider that he wasn't really a murderer and only the Governer made him that way. When he stopped the car it was a big moment because you knew he did that to come up with an answer to her question, then he didn't have one..

I imagine that deep inside he had a whole lot more respect for Michonne then depicted in the situations and the parallels of individual strength would move him. He always thought his brother was weak, but Michonne? He had to have respect for her fierce character even though they had been foes. Also the talk with Carol earlier and appreciation of her gaining strength since the last time he saw her was interesting for a misogynist like Merle. Seemed like some changes were happening. Michonne also detected some differences and relative weakness surfacing in Merle and targeted it.

Interesting that Merle sacrificed himself to the cause, made himself a martyr, and that in the end he did choose sides even if words would never express that for such a stubborn man.

Finally, its interesting how Carol managed to touch both Daryl, and now Merle. Something about her drew both of these independent guys in.

Finally part2 At seasons beginning who could predict Rick would agree to sacrifice a women in a bargain like this and that someone like Merle would end up doing the opposite? (yeah I know Rick changed his mind but..) Too bad they killed off Merle. Interesting character.

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His mindset had more to do with the guy needing a drink, IMO.

And considering the forum we're in, I'd say we've all been there.
Well, Michonne's a little dangerous, but I could see having a drink, or 26, with her..


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Its kind of reassuring having somebody older than me around.

I mean well with that, really I do.

There was some great music in the 60's.

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Its kind of reassuring having somebody older than me around.

I mean well with that, really I do.

There was some great music in the 60's.
Aw, you're just saying that because my maturity is so clear and obvious.

I am old enough that I cheered for the old OKs, back in the '60s.

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With Merle gone, perhaps Milton will join Rick's group? I love Milton's character.

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I have a feeling Season 4 is going to run two (maybe 3) seperate arcs for the first half.

1. Rick, Carl and Morgan split off together. With this arc I'm assuming Judith dies in the season finale, Rick goes nuts, Carl and Morgan take care of him/try to find a new place to move on to.

2. Andrea, Milton, Sasha, Tyresse and Michonne leave Woodbury after saving Andrea and killing the governor go to look for Rick and the Prison group.

3. Glenn, Maggie, Daryl and whoever survives (my guess Hershal, maybe Carol) leave the prison after the attack/get driven into the tombs and have to abondon through the back way. And again will show them looking for Rick and Carl and the rest.

All leading to them all finding there way towards DC. One group will most likely get picked up by the Hunters (probably the third) and lose a member in there somewheres.

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