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I'd like a yeah or nay from a Caps, Sens, & Kings fan for the two proposals below.

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05-30-2004, 09:56 AM
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I'd like a yeah or nay from a Caps, Sens, & Kings fan for the two proposals below.

1):
To Ottawa: Kolzig, Boston 2nd
To LA : Bonk, Lalime
To Wash: : 11th overall pick (LA)

2):
To Ottawa: Kolzig, Boston 2nd
To LA : Bonk, Lalime
To Wash: : 11th overall pick (LA), Chechmanek

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05-30-2004, 09:58 AM
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yeah from a Caps fan on both

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2nd one makes more sense, and it may fill holes for all 3 teams.

LA need a major rework and need to get some healthy talent.

Frolov is top line, but other than that i see the need a playmaking top line center, possibly RW, and a healthy goalie.

Bonk isnt the top line center, but he'll fill a hole certainly. Lalime may do them prowd in goal, but they'd be better suited getting a goalie with their pick.

Caps 4th 1st round pick, wow. in a not so deep draft tho. what about 05?

Ottawa get a goalie who may get them slightly further than Lalmie.

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Originally Posted by MMM
1):
To Ottawa: Kolzig, Boston 2nd
To LA : Bonk, Lalime
To Wash: : 11th overall pick (LA)

2):
To Ottawa: Kolzig, Boston 2nd
To LA : Bonk, Lalime
To Wash: : 11th overall pick (LA), Chechmanek
I'd do it.

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Originally Posted by MMM
1):
To Ottawa: Kolzig, Boston 2nd
To LA : Bonk, Lalime
To Wash: : 11th overall pick (LA)

2):
To Ottawa: Kolzig, Boston 2nd
To LA : Bonk, Lalime
To Wash: : 11th overall pick (LA), Chechmanek
umm...nay...neither. Cechmanek is not good in the locker room and not what the caps need. if the caps trade kolzig they will be looking for pieces of the puzzle not another draft choice. that deal is little more than another salary dump and the caps have said they are done with that.

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I'd have to say no. Bonk and Lalime are alright, but nothing special. The Kings have too many question marks to trade more youth away. They traded Anshakov for Straka when Palffy was still healthy, but in the end, Palffy got hurt. So did Straka, a few games after Palffy. They traded Aulin for Carter. Aulin has been injury prone, but he's still young.

The Kings might lose Palffy, Allison, and Deadmarsh to either retirement or free agency this summer. It's time to give the young guys a chance.

Anyone would probably be better than Cechmanek, but to give the 11th pick up, where the Kings could possibly get a future #1 goalie, for Lalime, would be a bit much.

The Kings should keep the 11th pick, and take whoever it is they'll end up with.

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Originally Posted by MMM
1):
To Ottawa: Kolzig, Boston 2nd
To LA : Bonk, Lalime
To Wash: : 11th overall pick (LA)

2):
To Ottawa: Kolzig, Boston 2nd
To LA : Bonk, Lalime
To Wash: : 11th overall pick (LA), Chechmanek
No from a Caps fan with sense.

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No from a Caps fan with sense.
sense of what?

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sense of what?
Kolzig is better than Lalime. Bonk is an underachiever who is a nice defensive forward. Adding these guys would be a huge step backwards for a team in a total rebuilding mode. Maybe you hadn't noticed but that's where we are at. Wouldn't touch either of these guys. Volchenkov and a 1st for Kolzig.

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Kolzig IS NOT worth a top 4 defenseman and a 1st rounder...When will you get over that?

 
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Kolzig IS NOT worth a top 4 defenseman and a 1st rounder...When will you get over that?
I don't think that Bonk is the difference in value between Kolzig and Lalime either. No thanks from a Sens perspective.

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umm...nay...neither. Cechmanek is not good in the locker room and not what the caps need. if the caps trade kolzig they will be looking for pieces of the puzzle not another draft choice. that deal is little more than another salary dump and the caps have said they are done with that.
I'm willing to bet that Olie won't go for anything like the 11th overall pick. That could be Thelen, Schremp, Wolski, Picard, Stafford, etc. The 2nd rounder might be a little much, though.

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The Kings are not going to get Bonk and Lalime for a draft pick. Nay.

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Cechmanek is not good in the locker room and not what the caps need.

Not that I agree with this deal, except for the Senators, but don't read too much into what the Flyers had to say about him, which is where he gets his bad rap from moreso than the Kings.

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Looks like original trades are a no go.

How about either:

To Ottawa: Kolzig, Boston 2nd (late)
To Wash: : Otta 1st (23)

OR

To LA: Kolzig, Boston 2nd (late)
To Wash: : 11th overall pick (LA), Chechmanek

Would LA or Otta go for these?

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Kolzig is better than Lalime. Bonk is an underachiever who is a nice defensive forward. Adding these guys would be a huge step backwards for a team in a total rebuilding mode. Maybe you hadn't noticed but that's where we are at. Wouldn't touch either of these guys. Volchenkov and a 1st for Kolzig.
What are you talking about?

The Caps don't get Lalime or Bonk in the deal, they go to LA.

The Caps get the 11th pick in the draft and save money. Both are pretty important to a rebuilding team. Maybe you hadn't noticed that.

And no one is going to give up a top prospect for just Kolzig. So if thats what the Caps want, they are going to end up having this guy for the next 2 years and then lose him for nothing as a UFA.

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Looks like original trades are a no go.

How about either:

To Ottawa: Kolzig, Boston 2nd (late)
To Wash: : Otta 1st (23)

OR

To LA: Kolzig, Boston 2nd (late)
To Wash: : 11th overall pick (LA), Chechmanek

Would LA or Otta go for these?
That makes no sense. If I was a Caps fan I'd go for the second long before the first because you get a (much) better pick and a goalie to boot, while from Ottawa you get a late first. At least make what the teams would give away for Kolzig about equal.

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Originally Posted by MMM
Looks like original trades are a no go.

How about either:

To Ottawa: Kolzig, Boston 2nd (late)
To Wash: : Otta 1st (23)

OR

To LA: Kolzig, Boston 2nd (late)
To Wash: : 11th overall pick (LA), Chechmanek

Would LA or Otta go for these?
I would do the first but not the second, not by a long shot...

 
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It's time to give the young guys a chance.
LOL! good luck to DT with the season ticket holders cause i for one will not renew my quarter season pack...

kings do not need to give up and give the young guys the icetime...they can still be competitive by signing palffy and other free agents...and this trade would be very good in keep a competitive team on the ice...no need to overhaul the team...this team can still play with the right horses.

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LOL! good luck to DT with the season ticket holders cause i for one will not renew my quarter season pack...

kings do not need to give up and give the young guys the icetime...they can still be competitive by signing palffy and other free agents...and this trade would be very good in keep a competitive team on the ice...no need to overhaul the team...this team can still play with the right horses.
while i agree that getting bonk and lalime would make the team a lot better, i dont think they are worth giving up the 11th pick...both are going to be past their prime soon as both are 30 and they're just not good enough for their age and the price

the 2nd trade proposal was pretty bad for LA...i think the kings would jump all over the 1st trade before the 2nd

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while i agree that getting bonk and lalime would make the team a lot better, i dont think they are worth giving up the 11th pick...both are going to be past their prime soon as both are 30 and they're just not good enough for their age and the price

the 2nd trade proposal was pretty bad for LA...i think the kings would jump all over the 1st trade before the 2nd
ziggy, don't you know life really begins after 30...

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Volchenkov and a 1st for Kolzig.
Lay off the crack, dude.

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Kolzig is better than Lalime. Bonk is an underachiever who is a nice defensive forward. Adding these guys would be a huge step backwards for a team in a total rebuilding mode. Maybe you hadn't noticed but that's where we are at. Wouldn't touch either of these guys. Volchenkov and a 1st for Kolzig.

Borro, you are embarrassing yourself here. Do you honestly belief that a goaltender in his thirties who has won exactly nothing in his career could bring that kind of return?

I think a more realistic outcome would be a 2nd rounder and a prospect. I suspect that a big part of the reason Wash would not trade Kolzig is that they couldn't get enough for him in a deal to make it worthwhile.

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I suspect that a big part of the reason Wash would not trade Kolzig is that they couldn't get enough for him in a deal to make it worthwhile.
Exactly. I happen to think Kolzig is somewhat better than Lalime as well, but he's also 34, makes $6.25M and $6.5M in the next two seasons, and this in the midst of an uncertain economic climate.

Kolzig is quite important to a young Washington team lacking veteran leadership, and a burden to most teams that haven't a large void of payroll room, the way that the Capitals suddenly have at their disposal. For these reasons, while a trade is possible if someone opts to overpay, it is not especially likely.

I expect him to remain a Cap, and I expect his market value to lie somewhere in the realm of a second-tier prospect and a 2nd rounder. Washington would do better to keep him, given that.

Perversely, Washington is one of the few NHL teams that can afford Kolzig right now, given other salary commitments on the 30 NHL teams.

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Volchenkov and a 1st for Kolzig.
LOL!

Fine i agree to that deal. In return you have to make another deal with us:

Ovechkin and a 1st for Lalime and Van Allen.

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