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11-04-2010, 03:47 PM
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???????????


And why would any team do that ??????????????

It's like asking i offer Smyth for a young #1 left wing or
Handzus for a young #2 Center

The salary cap days you take your young and cheap blue chip
over all of the other older star players of the league.

12 years of very good service >>>>> 2 years of elite service
Handzus is 33. Smyth is 34.

Spezza won't turn 33 until right before the 2016-2017 season.

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11-04-2010, 03:51 PM
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Only way I'll trade Spezza is if its a 3 way trade and either Jeff Carter or Zach Parise are on their way to Ottawa.

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11-04-2010, 04:28 PM
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The Question is how does Ottawa attract top end talent in free agency??? (example Richards, Semin, Vokoun)

-A couple of young second liners with first line potential, with a spot open for a #1 center and extra cap space

-Jason Spezza as our #1

I think the first would attract the better free agents, but I may be wrong. Either way we will have a deeper team

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11-04-2010, 06:37 PM
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That is my point maybe they should be.
Well, if they did, they'd basically be saying ' **** you Alfie, after all your great dedication and service, we don't feel you are worth trying to win a Cup for.' That's not how I feel, nor is it the message I want to send to Alfie.

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Dany Heatley for Jason Spezza



I know this was a joke, but in all seriousness, I wouldn't do this, even if SJ threw in their next 10 first rounders. And I'm not joking or exaggerating.

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Remove this thread! Spezza's playing great tonight

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A 4-point night for the Jasonator. I really don't understand what else he has to do to keep his name from appearing on this board.

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11-04-2010, 09:04 PM
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A 4-point night for the Jasonator. I really don't understand what else he has to do to keep his name from appearing on this board.
Change his name to "Ovechkin" and drop 11 number's off his jersey?

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A 4-point night for the Jasonator. I really don't understand what else he has to do to keep his name from appearing on this board.
Good. But that's the Islanders. Now Spezza has to score 4 points against NHL team (I mean defense) and you can start talking that he is back on track.
I mean the Isles gave up 13 goals in 2 previous games. Parros would have scored hat-trick against them now.

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11-04-2010, 09:15 PM
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Good. But that's the Islanders. Now Spezza has to score 4 points against NHL team (I mean defense) and you can start talking that he is back on track.
5 points in 7 games with a couple games missed due to injury coming into tonight... He now has 9 points (2/7a) in 8 games.

He's performing just fine.

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11-04-2010, 09:20 PM
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Good. But that's the Islanders. Now Spezza has to score 4 points against NHL team (I mean defense) and you can start talking that he is back on track.
I mean the Isles gave up 13 goals in 2 previous games. Parros would have scored hat-trick against them now.
Spezza took control and dominated this game. It doesnt matter who it was against.

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11-04-2010, 09:27 PM
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There is no doubt that Spezza is a great player and I am a fan of his, but the fact remains if we want to compete we need more offensive depth or the ability to recruit top end UFA's. IMO this team needs two or three serious pieces to compete for a cup.

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11-04-2010, 09:34 PM
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There is no doubt that Spezza is a great player and I am a fan of his, but the fact remains if we want to compete we need more offensive depth or the ability to recruit top end UFA's. IMO this team needs two or three serious pieces to compete for a cup.
Maybe. If you trade Spezza though, you can add one more "elite" missing piece.

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11-04-2010, 09:41 PM
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Maybe. If you trade Spezza though, you can add one more "elite" missing piece.
All depends what you get for him

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All depends what you get for him
No, it really doesn't. Spezza is an elite player, and *no asset you will get in return* will equal his value.

I realize you've posted a 1,000 threads on this and don't seem to understand this concept; but the truth is quantity does not equal quality.

On an annual basis, how many first line (70+ points or 0.85 PPG or more) players who:
A) Are signed with a team beyond the end of the season.
B) Have not asked for a trade
C) Are under 35

Do you see being traded?

The number is pretty small. Approaching (but not at) 0.

There's a reason for this.

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11-04-2010, 10:06 PM
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No, it really doesn't. Spezza is an elite player, and *no asset you will get in return* will equal his value.

I realize you've posted a 1,000 threads on this and don't seem to understand this concept; but the truth is quantity does not equal quality.

On an annual basis, how many first line (70+ points or 0.85 PPG or more) players who:
A) Are signed with a team beyond the end of the season.
B) Have not asked for a trade
C) Are under 35

Do you see being traded?

The number is pretty small. Approaching (but not at) 0.

There's a reason for this.
Joe Thornton, Brad Richards, Wayne Gretzky, off the top of my head

Thornton was traded and the Bruins got better

Richards was traded and the Lightning are now in better shape, as they were able to tank and get Stamkos and Hedman.

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11-04-2010, 10:09 PM
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Joe Thornton, Brad Richards, Wayne Gretzky, off the top of my head
First, Wayne Gretzky was traded in 1989, 3 years after I was born... so we're going back 21 years to establish a big trade once every 7 years (on average). Impressive.

Second, all three of those trades had non-hockey factors at play. Wayne Gretzky was a $/marketing move. Thornton wasn't being re-signed in Boston, and the team needed to shake things up (unlike Spezza who's under contract long-term). Richards became expendable after a) weaker play and b) the need to get rid of a mismanaged front-loaded roster. One could argue the Richards trade is similar to the Heatley trade in breaking up the "big three", but Spezza being traded is as likely as Lecavalier to Montreal.

As to the relative impacts of those deals:
-Edmonton became worse - and largely fell out of the glory years, despite Messier's single handedly leading them to another ring.

-Boston has not had any playoff success since trading Jumbo Joe, and while it's true that the assets they got back were decent, they have had to rebuild through shrewd drafting and signings. As good of a team as they are now, they'd be better if they still had Joe Thornton (and I *hate* Thornton).

-Tampa was brutal for many seasons, and while it's true they have eventually improved, dealing Richards was not the primary cause of this - it was again a realization that 3 big contracts in a cap world spelled problems. This is not the case in Ottawa.

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First, Wayne Gretzky was traded in 1989, 3 years after I was born... so we're going back 21 years to establish a big trade once every 7 years (on average). Impressive.

Second, all three of those trades had non-hockey factors at play. Wayne Gretzky was a $/marketing move. Thornton wasn't being re-signed in Boston, and the team needed to shake things up (unlike Spezza who's under contract long-term). Richards became expendable after a) weaker play and b) the need to get rid of a mismanaged front-loaded roster. One could argue the Richards trade is similar to the Heatley trade in breaking up the "big three", but Spezza being traded is as likely as Lecavalier to Montreal.

As to the relative impacts of those deals:
-Edmonton became worse - and largely fell out of the glory years, despite Messier's single handedly leading them to another ring.

-Boston has not had any playoff success since trading Jumbo Joe, and while it's true that the assets they got back were decent, they have had to rebuild through shrewd drafting and signings. As good of a team as they are now, they'd be better if they still had Joe Thornton (and I *hate* Thornton).

-Tampa was brutal for many seasons, and while it's true they have eventually improved, dealing Richards was not the primary cause of this - it was again a realization that 3 big contracts in a cap world spelled problems. This is not the case in Ottawa.
You also forgot to mention what actually came back in those deals. Needless to say, each team that traded that star player got middling assets in return that didn't have a longterm impact to the club.

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11-05-2010, 12:09 AM
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Good. But that's the Islanders. Now Spezza has to score 4 points against NHL team (I mean defense) and you can start talking that he is back on track.
I mean the Isles gave up 13 goals in 2 previous games. Parros would have scored hat-trick against them now.
He had points on all 4 of our goals and was dominant all night in all 3 zones. What more are you expecting?

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11-05-2010, 01:06 AM
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You want to miss the playoffs for a decade?



You mean like this?
1993, 1-5th = R.Neidermayer
1994, 1-1st = Ed Jovanovski

Or this?
2001, 1-4th = S.Weiss
2002, 1-3rd = Jay-Bo
2003, 1-3rd = N.Horton
2004, 1-7th = R.Olesz

Or what about this? (Surely this team will win something)
1999, 1-1st = P.Stefan
2000, 1-2nd = D.Heatley
2001, 1-1st = I.Kovalchuk
2002, 1-2nd = K.Lehtonen
2003, 1-8th = B.Coburn
2004, 1-10th = B.Valabik
2005, 1-16th = A.Bouret


Or maybe this one?
2000, 1-4th = R.Klesla
2001, 1-8th = P.Leclaire
2002, 1-1st = R.Nash
2003, 1-4th = N.Zherdev
2004, 1-8th = A.Picard
2005, 1-6th = G.Brule

Nope, this one?
1994, 1-9th = B.Lindros
1995, 1-2nd = W.Redden (B.Berard)
1996, 1-3rd = JP Dumont
1997, 1-4th = R.Luongo
1997, 1-5th = E.Brewer
1998, 1-9th = M.Rupp
1999, 1-5th = T.Connolly
1999, 1-8th = T.Pyatt
1999, 1-10th = B.Mezei
2000, 1-1st = R.Dipietro
2000, 1-5th = R.Torres




Yeah, or we could keep Spezza and Alfie... then add an elite player to the team, like a goalie? (Vokoun, Bryzagalov, etc)

Do you really understand how long it would take to replace Alfie, Spezza and an elite goalie through the draft? ... And the odds that we would fail so much that by the time we replaced all 3 of them, they might all be playing for different teams.



IMO, you might want to consider how much spending a lot of time on a website that worships prospects affects your perception.


This post need's to be quoted more.

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i cant believe i didnt notice this yesterday, but trent just won hfboards.

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No, it really doesn't. Spezza is an elite player, and *no asset you will get in return* will equal his value.

I realize you've posted a 1,000 threads on this and don't seem to understand this concept; but the truth is quantity does not equal quality.

On an annual basis, how many first line (70+ points or 0.85 PPG or more) players who:
A) Are signed with a team beyond the end of the season.
B) Have not asked for a trade
C) Are under 35

Do you see being traded?

The number is pretty small. Approaching (but not at) 0.

There's a reason for this.
That does not mean it wont happen. Look I'm not saying to dump him for nothing, and If you are right then Ottawa obviously should'nt trade him. That is why I started this thread, I was wondering if there are any offers out there that would benifit the Sens.

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And why would any team do that ??????????????

It's like asking i offer Smyth for a young #1 left wing or
Handzus for a young #2 Center

The salary cap days you take your young and cheap blue chip
over all of the other older star players of the league.

12 years of very good service >>>>> 2 years of elite service
Spezza's 27.

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That does not mean it wont happen. Look I'm not saying to dump him for nothing, and If you are right then Ottawa obviously should'nt trade him. That is why I started this thread, I was wondering if there are any offers out there that would benifit the Sens.
It won't. Move on to something plausible.

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i cant believe i didnt notice this yesterday, but trent just won hfboards.
yes, yes he did....lol

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There is no doubt that Spezza is a great player and I am a fan of his, but the fact remains if we want to compete we need more offensive depth or the ability to recruit top end UFA's. IMO this team needs two or three serious pieces to compete for a cup.
That's great. Let's have lots of "depth", a plethora of 2nd liners, and ask top end talent to come play for our team who is out of contention.

Logic fail.

You don't attract top end UFA's by getting rid of your teams best players. You attract them by having a lot of pieces already. They come for the opportunity to win, not be the only first liner on a team of second liners.

This team is more attractive to UFA's with Spezza on it then without.


Or do you want to become Toronto?

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