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Stanley Cup Winners & Finalists : Their HHOF'ers

WARNING : This is a work in progress
. I'll add years on a consistent basis -- I'll just have to "save" my progress here and there. Feel free to comment/add thoughts/flame.

Here is a list of the Cup winners + Finalists, with all their HHOF'ers, hopefuls, likely, locks, should be.

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Likely
Hopefuls
Guy that is better than some guy in, but probably won't get in (for olders) OR Shot in the dark

The "too early to call" guys are ommited. Think Toews, Keith.
The (editorial comments) will probably be deleted once the work is finished - I'm just explaining my position on some debatable classifications.

2009-10
Winner -- Chicago Blackhawks : Hossa
Finalist -- Philadelphia Flyers : Pronger

2008-09
Winner -- Pittsburgh Penguins : Crosby, Gonchar, Malkin, Guerin
Finalist -- Detroit Red Wings : Lidstrom, Chelios, Zetterberg, Hossa, Datsyuk, Osgood

2007-08
Winner -- Detroit Red Wings : Hasek, Lidstrom, Chelios, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Osgood
Finalists -- Pittsburgh Penguins : Crosby, Hossa, Gonchar, Malkin, Roberts

2006-07
Winner -- Anaheim Ducks : Pronger, S. Niedermayer, Selanne (I THINK he's a lock, some might disagree, Giguere (he HAS to add, but he's a guy that, at this point, has a shot to make it).
Finalist -- Ottawa Senators : Alfredsson, Heatley

2005-06
Winner -- Carolina Hurricanes : Recchi, Brind'Amour, Staal (borderline too early, but his the face of his franchise, played some international hockey...),Weight ,C.Ward (see Staal)
Finalist -- Edmonton Oilers : Pronger, Smyth. (For the record, I think Peca has absolutely no chance to get in).

2003-04
Winner -- Tampa Bay : St-Louis, Andreychuck, B. Richards, Lecavalier.
Finalist -- Calgary Flames : Iginla, Kiprusoff

2002-03
Winner -- New Jersey Devils : S. Stevens, S. Niedermayer, M. Brodeur, Nieuwendyk (just too important on many Cup winners, wouldn't consider him an absolutely lock though), Elias
Finalist -- Anaheim Ducks : Oates, Kariya, Giguere (again -- he HAS to add, but doesn't have to add much. He'd be the worst goalie in the Hall if he got in, but has great postseason credentials)

2001-02
Winner -- Detroit Red Wings : Yzerman, Robitaille, Larionov, Hull, Hasek, Lidstrom, Chelios, Fedorov, Shanahan (barring a major brainfart from the committee, Shanahan seems a lock), Datsyuk
Finalist -- Carolina Hurricanes : Francis, Brind'Amour

2000-01
Winner -- Colorado Avanlanche : Roy, Bourque, Sakic, Forsberg, R. Blake (that was a really close call between a likely and a hopeful. Certainly not a lock), Foote (a TRUE shot in the dark, but was on many winning teams).
Finalist -- New Jersey Devils : Stevens, Niedermayer, Brodeur, Mogilny (I think he has a better shot than Elias, but he has to hope. Being short of the 1000 games and the 500 goals mark by so little doesn't help him. In a non-cap world, he reaches 1000/500, and gets much more consideration). , Elias (sorry Jason Arnott)

1999-00
Winner -- New Jersey Devils : Stevens, Niedermayer, Brodeur, Mogilny, Elias
Finalist -- Dallas Stars : Hull, Belfour (some MIGHT not see him as a lock, but the guy was the clear fourth best of his era -- and the guys above him are IMO in the Top-6 goalies of all-time. Should be considered a lock to everyone), Modano (the "face of the franchise" argument), Nieuwendyk, Carbonneau (his name has been mentionned, and while last year was probably his best shot, I won't rule him out yet), Zubov,

1998-99
Winner -- Dallas Stars : Hull, Belfour, Modano , Nieuwendyk, Carbonneau, Zubov, Verbeek (I hope he doesn't, but for the sake of the argument...)
Finalist -- Buffalo Sabres : Hasek

1997-98
Winner -- Detroit Red Wings : Yzerman, Murphy, Larionov, Fetisov, Lidstrom, Shanahan, Fedorov, Osgood
Finalist -- Washington Capitals : Oates, Bondra (500 goals in the DPE is a damn good argument, but it might be his only argument. If he would have been better in those playoffs, maybe... I still give him an italic, but not a guy I'd get in), Gonchar, Housley (I think he'd already be in, if he had to -- still, somebody might fall in love with his offensive numbers someday and forget everything else), Kolzig (So many to get in Hall before him at his position)

1996-97
Winner -- Detroit Red Wings : Yzerman, Murphy, Larionov, Fetisov, Lidstrom, Shanahan, Fedorov, Osgood
Finalist -- Philadelphia Flyers : Hawechuck, Coffey, Lindros (whom I just can't consider a lock. Many wants him in, but many wants him out as well), Brind'Amour, Leclair

1995-96
Winner -- Colorado Avalance : Roy, Sakic, Forsberg, Foote
Finalist -- Florida Panthers : None. Vanbiesbrouck

1994-95
Winner -- New Jersey Devils : Stevens, Brodeur, Niedermayer, Guerin
Finalist -- Detroit Red Wings : Yzerman, Coffey, Fetisov, Ciccarelli, Lidstrom, Fedorov, Osgood, M. Howe (I think he has no chance to get in -- thus, a shot in the dark -- but his case is rather well documented throughout this board)

1993-94
Winner -- NY Rangers : Messier, Leetch, Anderson, Zubov, Richter
Finalist -- Vancouver Canucks : P. Bure (after some reflexion... I classed him as a likely. Not a lock at all (or else, he'd already be in), and there are some reasons to keep him out. However, he was pretty much the 3rd most "famous" NHL'er in his prime, after Lemieux and Roy, and he DID have a terrific prime.

1992-93
Winner - Le Canadien de Montreal : Roy, Savard, Leclair, Carbonneau
Finalist - LA Kings : Gretzky, Kurri, Robitaille, Blake

1991-92
Winner -- Pittsburgh Penguins : Lemieux, Francis, Murphy, Trottier, Mullen, Jagr, Barrasso
Finalist -- Chicago Blackhawks : Goulet, Hasek, Chelios, Belfour, Roenick (I have problems with ranking Roenick here as anything else than a shot in the dark. I think Richards is already ahead of him as far as on ice accomplishments are concerned, Smythe or not).

1990-91
Winner -- Pittsburgh Penguins : Lemieux, Coffey, Mullen, Francis, Trottier, Murphy, Jagr, Recchi, Barrasso
Finalist -- Minnesota North Stars : Modano. Bobby Smith has IMO a most impressive legacy than some of the guys mentionned in this thread, but there's absolutely no way he makes it in the Hall after so long.

1989-90
Winner -- Edmonton Oilers : Messier, Kurri, Anderson
Finalist -- Boston Bruins : Neely, Bourque

1988-89
Winner -- Calgary Flames : MacInnis, Mullen, McDonald, Gilmour (he should be a lock IMO, but the fact he isn't already in makes me wonder), Nieuwendyk, Fleury (I think he has a hope), Roberts
Finalist -- Le Canadien de Montreal : Roy, Robinson, Gainey, Chelios, Carbonneau

1987-88
Winner -- Edmonton Oilers : Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Fuhr, Anderson
Finalist -- Boston Bruins : Bourque, Neely, Middleton (This one is tricky. He certainly doesn't have the number to get in (considering the years he played), but he seems to get lots of respect. Numbers-wise, I'm not sure he has a better career than Bill Guerin, and is certainly below Bobby Smith, Brad Richards and Theoren Fleury.

1986-87
Winner -- Edmonton Oilers : Gretzky, Messier, Anderson, Kurri, Coffey, Fuhr
Finalist -- Philadelphia Flyers : Howe, Kerr (if he could have managed to play just a little bit longer, he'd be hard to overlook).

1985-86
Winner -- Le Canadien de Montreal : Roy, Robinson, Gainey, Chelios, Carbonneau
Finalist -- Calgary Flames : MacInnis, Mullen, McDonald

1984-85
Winner -- Edmonton Oilers : Gretzky, Kurri, Coffey, Messier, Anderson, Fuhr
Finalist -- Philadelphia Flyers : Howe

1983-84
Winner -- Edmonton Oilers : Gretzky, Kurri, Coffey, Messier, Anderson, Fuhr
Finalist -- New York Islanders : Potvin, Bossy, Trottier, Smith, Gillies

1982-83
Winner -- New York Islanders : Potvin, Bossy, Trottier, Smith, Gillies
Finalist -- Edmonton Oilers : Gretzky, Kurri, Coffey, Messier, Anderson, Fuhr

1981-82
Winner -- New York Islanders : Potvin, Bossy, Trottier, Smith, Gillies
Finalist -- Vancouver Canucks : None

1980-81
Winner -- New York Islanders : Potvin, Bossy, Trottier, Smith, Gillies
Finalist -- Minnesota North Stars : Ciccarelli

1979-80
Winner -- New York Islanders : Potvin, Bossy, Trottier, Smith, Gillies
Finalist -- Philadelphia Flyers : Barber, Clarke

1978-79
Winner -- Le Canadien de Montreal : Lafleur, Dryden, Robinson, Savard, Langway, Lapointe, Lemaire, Shutt. Yvan Cournoyer was on the team, but didn't play a single game
Finalist -- New York Rangers : Phil Esposito

1977-78
Winner -- Le Canadien de Montréal : Lafleur, Dryden, Robinson, Savard, Langway, Cournoyer, Lapointe, Lemaire, Shutt
Finalist -- Boston Bruins : Park, Ratelle, Cheevers, Middleton

1976-77
Winner -- Le Canadien de Montreal :Lafleur, Dryden, Robinson, Savard, Langway, Cournoyer, Lapointe, Lemaire, Shutt (With Cournoyer not playing a single game, but was a full-time member of the team that season -- played 60 games)
Finalist -- Boston Bruins : Park, Ratelle, Cheevers, Middleton

1975-76
Winner -- Le Canadien de Montreal : Lafleur, Dryden, Robinson, Savard, Langway, Cournoyer, Lapointe, Lemaire, Shutt
Finalist -- Philadelphia Flyers : Clarke, Parent, Barber

1974-75
Winner -- Philadelphia Flyers : Clarke, Parent, Barber
Finalist -- Buffalo Sabres : Perreault, Martin (Can't name many guys with 4 AST berths (two 1st, two 2nd) who aren't in the HHOF, even though it's pretty obvious as to why he's out -- AST's at a weak position + short longevity + wasn't best player on his team...)

1973-74
Winner -- Philadelphia Flyers : Clarke, Parent, Barber
Finalist -- Boston Bruins : Orr, Esposito, Bucyk

1972-73
Winner -- Le Canadien de Montreal : Cournoyer, F. Mahovlich, Lapointe, Lemaire, S. Savard, H. Richard, Lafleur, Robinson, Laperriere, Dryden, Shutt (Shutt played 50 games in the Reg. Season and one in the playoffs. Pretty sure he has his name on)
Finalist -- Chicago Blackhawks : Mikita, T.Esposito

1971-72
Winner -- Boston Bruins : Orr, Esposito, Bucyk, Cheevers
Finalist -- New York Rangers : Park, Ratelle, Gilbert, Giacomin (Ratelle only played 6 games, but was extremely effective in regular season)

1970-71
Winner -- Le Canadien de Montreal : Beliveau, Dryden, F. Mahovlich, H. Richard, Lapointe, Cournoyer, Lemaire, Laperriere. S. Savard played 35 games in the regular season. JC Tremblay is the best or 2nd best D-Men not in the Hall.
Finalist -- Chicago Blackhawks : Bo. Hull, Mikita, Esposito

1969-70
Winners -- Boston Bruins : Orr, Esposito, Bucyk, Cheevers
Finalist -- St-Louis Blues : Plante, Hall.

1968-69
Winners -- Le Canadien de Montreal : Béliveau, H. Richard, S. Savard, Cournoyer, Lemaire, Laperriere, Worsley, Duff . Tremblay, Vachon (best goalie not in the Hall).
Finalist -- St- Louis Blues : Plante, Hall. Arbour (not as a player)

1967-68
Winners -- Le Canadien de Montreal : Béliveau, H. Richard, S. Savard, Cournoyer, Lemaire, Laperriere, Worsley, Duff. Tremblay, Vachon
Finalist -- St-Louis Blues : Moore, Hall, Harvey

1966-67
Winners -- Toronto Maple Leafs : Kelly, Sawchuck, F. Mahovlich, Horton, Bower, Keon, Pronovost, Stanley, Pulford, Armstrong
Finalist -- Le Canadien de Montreal : Béliveau, H. Richard, Cournoyer, Laperriere, Worsley, Duff Tremblay, Vachon

1965-66
Winner -- Le Canadien de Montreal : Béliveau, H. Richard, Cournoyer, Worsley, Duff. Laperrière was sidelined during the playoffs. Tremblay
Finalist -- Detroit Red Wings : G. Howe, Bathgate, Ullman, Delvecchio, Gadsby. Some want Paul Henderson in.

1964-65
Winner -- Le Canadien de Montreal : Béliveau, H. Richard, Cournoyer, Laperriere, Worsley, Duff. Tremblay.
Finalist -- Chicago Blackhawks : Bo. Hull, Mikita, Esposito, Hall, Pilote


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Guerin, Weight, and Roberts don't have a chance


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Guerin, Weight, and Roberts don't have a chance
I would definitely move Guerin from "hopeful" to "shot in the dark."

Great thread though - hope you have time to finish it.

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I would definitely move Guerin from "hopeful" to "shot in the dark."

Great thread though - hope you have time to finish it.
I will. Just not today, not tomorrow.
And I'll definitely need help for the pre NHL years, now that I think of it.

I agree for Guerin, and made the change accordingly.

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Weird to come across this after I started submitting names alongside Cup winners an hour ago.

I pondered whether to add names who I thought would soon get in based on consensus or most deserved it from my viewpoint. Were you gonna make posts for the rest of the 90s and 80s teams?

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Weird to come across this after I started submitting names alongside Cup winners an hour ago.

I pondered whether to add names who I thought would soon get in based on consensus or most deserved it from my viewpoint. Were you gonna make posts for the rest of the 90s and 80s teams?
As I said -- it,s a work in progress. I just cannot go up in the 1800'ies in a day

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Nice thread. I think Brad Richards is a guy who is a shot in the dark. This is why I think so. In 2004 after he wins the Smythe in record setting fashion (7 GWG in playoffs) he was young and on the right track. Then like Lecavalier he failed to see what the Bolts had and his head got too big for him. BOTH were vastly overpaid. Say goodbye to your star goalie (Khabilbulin) and since then I've always found Richards to be a fairly wooden player. You know, a guy who is a lot like Marc Savard, he'll get you a nice batting average, but he'll fail to drive in the runs. In 2004 you thought of him as an up and coming star in the NHL. It never happened. I wouldn't vote him in.

As for the Pens, it is way too early to tell but Staal is a guy that we might be talking with some reverance once his career is over. If we bring up Carboneau all the time, Staal could be in the mix, who knows.

Another one is Fleury. Yeah the guy has had a rough, rough start to the season. He was awful against Montreal in the playoffs and we wonder if he'll ever get his game back. But it was just a few months ago he was an Olympian and owner of back to back final appearances. Just saying, the kid is young still

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I hope this doesn't derail the thread, but does anyone know which Stanley Cup winning team has the least amount of HHOFer's on it? Obviously recent teams are exempt...let's say pre-1990.

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Nice thread. I think Brad Richards is a guy who is a shot in the dark. This is why I think so. In 2004 after he wins the Smythe in record setting fashion (7 GWG in playoffs) he was young and on the right track. Then like Lecavalier he failed to see what the Bolts had and his head got too big for him. BOTH were vastly overpaid. Say goodbye to your star goalie (Khabilbulin) and since then I've always found Richards to be a fairly wooden player. You know, a guy who is a lot like Marc Savard, he'll get you a nice batting average, but he'll fail to drive in the runs. In 2004 you thought of him as an up and coming star in the NHL. It never happened. I wouldn't vote him in.

As for the Pens, it is way too early to tell but Staal is a guy that we might be talking with some reverance once his career is over. If we bring up Carboneau all the time, Staal could be in the mix, who knows.

Another one is Fleury. Yeah the guy has had a rough, rough start to the season. He was awful against Montreal in the playoffs and we wonder if he'll ever get his game back. But it was just a few months ago he was an Olympian and owner of back to back final appearances. Just saying, the kid is young still
richards and lecavalier were so young when the lockout hit. i wonder if hearing about how good they were for an entire year after winning the cup without being forced to work to stay at the top ruined them in a way. especially richards, who was so clutch and never showed any kind of killer instinct ever again. he came back from the lockout as a perimeter assist guy. dynasty guys always talk about how you don't learn how to really win until you have to defend your championship and the whole league gunning for you slaps the complacency right out of you. maybe one year later, it was too late for those guys.

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I hope this doesn't derail the thread, but does anyone know which Stanley Cup winning team has the least amount of HHOFer's on it? Obviously recent teams are exempt...let's say pre-1990.
The 1934 Blackhawks only had 2: Charlie Gardiner and Lionel Conacher (and Conacher only made it in by way of the veteran's committee 60 years after he retired).

I suspect that's the answer. In such a small league, any pre-expansion team was likely to have a handful of HOFers at any one time. Even the bad teams usually.


As for the recent winners, I think the Hurricanes and Lightning squads that won it could have 1 or fewer when all is said and done. Especially the Lightning, where St. Louis looks to be on track but Lecavalier and Richards will have to pick things up to get there. I forgot Carolina had Recchi, and I think he'll get in. Staal has a good chance as well, and Brind'Amour may sneak in. Ward has potential too, so who knows.

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As for the recent winners, I think the Hurricanes and Lightning squads that won it could have 1 or fewer when all is said and done.
Carolina had Mark Recchi who is likely, and Eric Staal who has a chance to make it depending on how his career unfolds.

Tampa had Andreychuk and St. Louis who both look to be right on the outside. I really hope Marty makes it. Andreychuk... not so much, but his career totals do look nice to an outside observer and might get him inducted a bit down the line a la Ciccarelli.

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I hope this doesn't derail the thread, but does anyone know which Stanley Cup winning team has the least amount of HHOFer's on it? Obviously recent teams are exempt...let's say pre-1990.
Well, the safe answer would be the 93 Habs for past-.90 teams.

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Carolina had Mark Recchi who is likely, and Eric Staal who has a chance to make it depending on how his career unfolds.

Tampa had Andreychuk and St. Louis who both look to be right on the outside. I really hope Marty makes it. Andreychuk... not so much, but his career totals do look nice to an outside observer and might get him inducted a bit down the line a la Ciccarelli.
Again -- if you consider Roenick Hall-worthy, I think Richards has to get at least some consideration at this point.

What hampers Richards vs. Roenick? Will never get 500 goals, and isn't a loudmouth.

Brad Richards has already 4 Top-5 in assists. I wonder if there are many of them that are out of the HHOF (while winning the Connie Smythe).

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Again -- if you consider Roenick Hall-worthy, I think Richards has to get at least some consideration at this point.

What hampers Richards vs. Roenick? Will never get 500 goals, and isn't a loudmouth.
Don't think that Roenick's home country won't play a part in this. And yeah, the 500 goals thing is huge. If Lanny McDonald finishes with 490, do you think he makes the Hall?

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Well, the safe answer would be the 93 Habs for past-.90 teams.
Yeah, I forgot about them. They had Roy and Savard, who are in. And then some close calls who probably won't make it like Leclair, Desjardins, Damphousse, Carbonneau, etc.

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WARNING : This is a work in progress
. I'll add years on a consistent basis -- I'll just have to "save" my progress here and there. Feel free to comment/add thoughts/flame.

Here is a list of the Cup winners + Finalists, with all their HHOF'ers, hopefuls, likely, locks, should be.

Legend


Hall of Famer
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Likely
Hopefuls
Guy that is better than some guy in, but probably won't get in (for olders) OR Shot in the dark

The "too early to call" guys are ommited. Think Toews, Keith.
The (editorial comments) will probably be deleted once the work is finished - I'm just explaining my position on some debatable classifications.

2009-10
Winner -- Chicago Blackhawks : Hossa
Finalist -- Philadelphia Flyers : Pronger

2008-09
Winner -- Pittsburgh Penguins : Crosby, Gonchar, Malkin, Guerin
Finalist -- Detroit Red Wings : Lidstrom, Chelios, Zetterberg, Hossa, Datsyuk, Osgood

2007-08
Winner -- Detroit Red Wings : Hasek, Lidstrom, Chelios, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Osgood
Finalists -- Pittsburgh Penguins : Crosby, Hossa, Gonchar, Malkin, Roberts

2006-07
Winner -- Anaheim Ducks : Pronger, S. Niedermayer, Selanne (I THINK he's a lock, some might disagree, Giguere (he HAS to add, but he's a guy that, at this point, has a shot to make it).
Finalist -- Ottawa Senators : Alfredsson, Heatley

2005-06
Winner -- Carolina Hurricanes : Recchi, Brind'Amour, Staal (borderline too early, but his the face of his franchise, played some international hockey...),Weight ,C.Ward (see Staal)
Finalist -- Edmonton Oilers : Pronger, Smyth. (For the record, I think Peca has absolutely no chance to get in).

2003-04
Winner -- Tampa Bay : St-Louis, Andreychuck, B. Richards, Lecavalier.
Finalist -- Calgary Flames : Iginla, Kiprusoff

2002-03
Winner -- New Jersey Devils : S. Stevens, S. Niedermayer, M. Brodeur, Nieuwendyk (just too important on many Cup winners, wouldn't consider him an absolutely lock though), Elias
Finalist -- Anaheim Ducks : Oates, Kariya, Giguere (again -- he HAS to add, but doesn't have to add much. He'd be the worst goalie in the Hall if he got in, but has great postseason credentials)

2001-02
Winner -- Detroit Red Wings : Yzerman, Robitaille, Larionov, Hull, Hasek, Lidstrom, Chelios, Fedorov, Shanahan (barring a major brainfart from the committee, Shanahan seems a lock), Datsyuk
Finalist -- Carolina Hurricanes : Francis, Brind'Amour

2000-01
Winner -- Colorado Avanlanche : Roy, Bourque, Sakic, Forsberg, R. Blake (that was a really close call between a likely and a hopeful. Certainly not a lock), Foote (a TRUE shot in the dark, but was on many winning teams).
Finalist -- New Jersey Devils : Stevens, Niedermayer, Brodeur, Mogilny (I think he has a better shot than Elias, but he has to hope. Being short of the 1000 games and the 500 goals mark by so little doesn't help him. In a non-cap world, he reaches 1000/500, and gets much more consideration). , Elias (sorry Jason Arnott)

1999-00
Winner -- New Jersey Devils : Stevens, Niedermayer, Brodeur, Mogilny, Elias
Finalist -- Dallas Stars : Hull, Belfour (some MIGHT not see him as a lock, but the guy was the clear fourth best of his era -- and the guys above him are IMO in the Top-6 goalies of all-time. Should be considered a lock to everyone), Modano (the "face of the franchise" argument), Nieuwendyk, Carbonneau (his name has been mentionned, and while last year was probably his best shot, I won't rule him out yet), Zubov,

1998-99
Winner -- Dallas Stars : Hull, Belfour, Modano , Nieuwendyk, Carbonneau, Zubov, Verbeek (I hope he doesn't, but for the sake of the argument...)
Finalist -- Buffalo Sabres : Hasek

1997-98
Winner -- Detroit Red Wings : Yzerman, Murphy, Larionov, Fetisov, Lidstrom, Shanahan, Fedorov, Osgood
Finalist -- Washington Capitals : Oates, Bondra (500 goals in the DPE is a damn good argument, but it might be his only argument. If he would have been better in those playoffs, maybe... I still give him an italic, but not a guy I'd get in), Gonchar, Housley (I think he'd already be in, if he had to -- still, somebody might fall in love with his offensive numbers someday and forget everything else), Kolzig (So many to get in Hall before him at his position)

1996-97
Winner -- Detroit Red Wings : Yzerman, Murphy, Larionov, Fetisov, Lidstrom, Shanahan, Fedorov, Osgood
Finalist -- Philadelphia Flyers : Hawechuck, Coffey, Lindros (whom I just can't consider a lock. Many wants him in, but many wants him out as well), Brind'Amour, Leclair

1995-96
Winner -- Colorado Avalance : Roy, Sakic, Forsberg, Foote
Finalist -- Florida Panthers : None.

1994-95
Winner -- New Jersey Devils : Stevens, Brodeur, Niedermayer, Guerin
Finalist -- Detroit Red Wings : Yzerman, Coffey, Fetisov, Ciccarelli, Lidstrom, Fedorov, Osgood, M. Howe (I think he has no chance to get in -- thus, a shot in the dark -- but his case is rather well documented throughout this board)

1993-94
Winner -- NY Rangers : Messier, Leetch, Anderson, Zubov
Finalist -- Vancouver Canucks : P. Bure (after some reflexion... I classed him as a likely. Not a lock at all (or else, he'd already be in), and there are some reasons to keep him out. However, he was pretty much the 3rd most "famous" NHL'er in his prime, after Lemieux and Roy, and he DID have a terrific prime.

1992-93
Winner - Le Canadien de Montreal : Roy, Savard, Leclair, Carbonneau
Finalist - LA Kings : Gretzky, Kurri, Robitaille, Blake

1991-92
Winner -- Pittsburgh Penguins : Lemieux, Francis, Murphy, Trottier, Mullen, Jagr
Finalist -- Chicago Blackhawks : Goulet, Hasek, Chelios, Belfour, Roenick (I have problems with ranking Roenick here as anything else than a shot in the dark. I think Richards is already ahead of him as far as on ice accomplishments are concerned, Smythe or not).

1990-91
Winner -- Pittsburgh Penguins : Lemieux, Coffey, Mullen, Francis, Trottier, Murphy, Jagr, Recchi
Finalist -- Minnesota North Stars : Modano. Bobby Smith has IMO a most impressive legacy than some of the guys mentionned in this thread, but there's absolutely no way he makes it in the Hall after so long.

1989-90
Winner -- Edmonton Oilers : Messier, Kurri, Anderson
Finalist -- Boston Bruins : Neely, Bourque

1988-89
Winner -- Calgary Flames : MacInnis, Mullen, McDonald, Gilmour (he should be a lock IMO, but the fact he isn't already in makes me wonder), Nieuwendyk, Fleury (I think he has a hope), Roberts
Finalist -- Le Canadien de Montreal : Roy, Robinson, Gainey, Chelios, Carbonneau

1987-88
Winner -- Edmonton Oilers : Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Fuhr, Anderson
Finalist -- Boston Bruins : Bourque, Neely, Middleton (This one is tricky. He certainly doesn't have the number to get in (considering the years he played), but he seems to get lots of respect. Numbers-wise, I'm not sure he has a better career than Bill Guerin, and is certainly below Bobby Smith, Brad Richards and Theoren Fleury.

1986-87
Winner -- Edmonton Oilers : Gretzky, Messier, Anderson, Kurri, Coffey, Fuhr
Finalist -- Philadelphia Flyers : Howe, Kerr (if he could have managed to play just a little bit longer, he'd be hard to overlook).

1985-86
Winner -- Le Canadien de Montreal : Roy, Robinson, Gainey, Chelios, Carbonneau
Finalist -- Calgary Flames : MacInnis, Mullen, McDonald
1984-85
Winner -- Edmonton Oilers : Gretzky, Kurri, Coffey, Messier, Anderson, Fuhr
Finalist -- Philadelphia Flyers : Howe

1983-84
Winner -- Edmonton Oilers : Gretzky, Kurri, Coffey, Messier, Anderson, Fuhr
Finalist -- New York Islanders : Potvin, Bossy, Trottier, Smith, Gillies

1982-83
Winner -- New York Islanders : Potvin, Bossy, Trottier, Smith, Gillies
Finalist -- Edmonton Oilers : Gretzky, Kurri, Coffey, Messier, Anderson, Fuhr

1981-82
Winner -- New York Islanders : Potvin, Bossy, Trottier, Smith, Gillies
Finalist -- Vancouver Canucks : None

1980-81
Winner -- New York Islanders : Potvin, Bossy, Trottier, Smith, Gillies
Finalist -- Minnesota North Stars : Ciccarelli

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Barrasso should be listed for '91 and 92 Pens, possibly as a hopeful.

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Barrasso should be listed for '91 and 92 Pens, possibly as a hopeful.
Good call. One of the two best goalies not in the HHOF, in my opinion (along with Vachon). If he wasn't such a dick, he'd probably be in already.

Was Vanbiesbrouck (1996 Panthers) good enough to be a shot in the dark or does he have absolutely no hope?

Whether he deserves it or not, Mike Richter is probably a shot in the dark on the 1994 Rangers with all the media spotlight he got from playing in New York and then playing so well for the US in international hockey. I mean, Richter's resume is reminscent of Cheevers' honestly...

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Good call. One of the two best goalies not in the HHOF, in my opinion (along with Vachon). If he wasn't such a dick, he'd probably be in already.

Was Vanbiesbrouck (1996 Panthers) good enough to be a shot in the dark or does he have absolutely no hope?

Whether he deserves it or not, Mike Richter is probably a shot in the dark on the 1994 Rangers with all the media spotlight he got from playing in New York and then playing so well for the US in international hockey. I mean, Richter's resume is reminscent of Cheevers' honestly...
Yeah, Beezer should be a shot in the dark and Richter probably should be too with all his media exposure.

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Barrasso should be listed for '91 and 92 Pens, possibly as a hopeful.
While Barasso is certainly amongst the best goalies not in, the guy had some major consistency problems (from one season to another), and was not a very likeable person. He isn't a guy that "screams" HHOF -- I'm sure the commitee sees Curtis Joseph as a better candidate than Barasso (and let's not get there...).

I'm gonna consider him a shot in the dark - but he's a guy that has been retired for a while, and there WERE weak classes since then. Would be nice to see the "voting results"...

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Was Vanbiesbrouck (1996 Panthers) good enough to be a shot in the dark or does he have absolutely no hope?

Whether he deserves it or not, Mike Richter is probably a shot in the dark on the 1994 Rangers with all the media spotlight he got from playing in New York and then playing so well for the US in international hockey. I mean, Richter's resume is reminscent of Cheevers' honestly...
I'm probably gonna add both as shots in the dark. Beezer probably has the best "case" between the three guys. I think Richter is seriously overrated, but he has a resume, so...

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I don't see how Madonna isn't considered a lock. While a step below guys like Yzerman and Sakic he was a two way player and scored 500 goals during the dead puck era playing on Dallas slush for a coach that absolutely hated scoring. The only real knocks on him are his rep as a pretty boy and the dumb things he said during the lockout.

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Would be interesting to see the other side - last place teams and their HOF'ers.

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I don't see how Madonna isn't considered a lock. While a step below guys like Yzerman and Sakic he was a two way player and scored 500 goals during the dead puck era playing on Dallas slush for a coach that absolutely hated scoring. The only real knocks on him are his rep as a pretty boy and the dumb things he said during the lockout.
Agree on the pretty boy thing, never liked Modano but it'll be hard to leave him out of the HHOF. I should know this, but what were his lockout comments? Something tells me it was something stupid like "I need money to feed my dogs" along those lines.

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