snow is just as frustrated as we all are, didnt he say something along the lines of "your not playing in the ****ing stands your playing on the ice and sitting on the bench" to paul martin when he was trying to be signed
snow is just as frustrated as we all are, didnt he say something along the lines of "your not playing in the ****ing stands your playing on the ice and sitting on the bench" to paul martin when he was trying to be signed
He always "tries" for the A+ UFA's who we all know would never come here. He is to thick to understand that he needs to go to B and B- UFA types and over pay them and slowly the team will win and you can start getting the A+ guys. Instead he goes for the 40 year old guy 5 years past his prime, who used to have a sexy name. It the same cycle with this clown as GM for 5 years and obviously he is to thick headed to learn.
I say we wait until Holland & Babcock are fired for their 6 game slide.
Once they are available. We fire our Muggle's and replace them with those Wizards!
They will never get fired.. Detroit will bounce back and when they do god help the western conference. Thats the kind of organization they have.. they know how to win and dig deep within themselves to deliver. Babcock is a great coach and if by some small chance he is fired he should be our next coach ASAP but that wont happen because we have Doug Weight here
This organization is nothing like Detroit. The Redwings should take over GM because the know how to run a company. The Islanders are a freaking joke! We are owned by a clown, run by a back up goalie who got the job because he went to the owner and said I will say YES to everything you tell me.
It is not the 10 games of failure it is 5 years of failure. Get a clue these guys a ****ing bums, keep drinking up
I'm always amazed how Wang and Snow are heralded by some. Results don't matter......that makes for being a bad fan if they did. Just look at all the guys we signed. Cup winners. We have to be patient.
Seriously, if someone isn't getting the job, or in Snow's case, a VITAL part of the job (talented vets to help the kids and thus the rebuild - Eddie Westfall circa 1972, not 1979) done, shoudl one look elsewhere for better?
Well, some don't want to believe there is better out there. It scares them, probably. They invested time, heart, faith and endless/boundless support and it would prove them wrong.....so I guess we should stop thinking there is better out there.
So, therefore, the Isles just have bad luck, not bad management/ownership.
Just seems like Garth is so worried about pulling a Milbury type trade that he is willing to let problems go unsolved. As said many times, you can't build a winner with draft picks, low end UFAs and training camp invites. As some point we need to use some of our non-core players and redundant prospects. Hopefully before they lose their trade value.
He always "tries" for the A+ UFA's who we all know would never come here. He is to thick to understand that he needs to go to B and B- UFA types and over pay them and slowly the team will win and you can start getting the A+ guys. Instead he goes for the 40 year old guy 5 years past his prime, who used to have a sexy name. It the same cycle with this clown as GM for 5 years and obviously he is to thick headed to learn.
Bingo! Instead of trying to get the top-tier UFA's such as Martin and other players we have no chance at getting, we need to go after those middle tier players who can help build this team with their leadership and (compared to some players on our team) above-average skill. A player like Andrew Brunette would've been a great addition for us - veteran with leadership ability, can be played with just about anyone, doesn't get hurt, and still puts up decent numbers. Not a household name that signs $5 million contracts, but a key player to the team he's on, as his track record has proven.
IMO it's this that got us to the playoffs in 06-07. Players like Sillinger, Kozlov, Poti, Hill and Witt weren't top UFA acquisitions, but simply B-type UFA's who each played key roles in making the playoffs as well as providing leadership. They didn't come with overly insane contracts either.
Bingo! Instead of trying to get the top-tier UFA's such as Martin and other players we have no chance at getting, we need to go after those middle tier players who can help build this team with their leadership and (compared to some players on our team) above-average skill. A player like Andrew Brunette would've been a great addition for us - veteran with leadership ability, can be played with just about anyone, doesn't get hurt, and still puts up decent numbers. Not a household name that signs $5 million contracts, but a key player to the team he's on, as his track record has proven.
IMO it's this that got us to the playoffs in 06-07. Players like Sillinger, Kozlov, Poti, Hill and Witt weren't top UFA acquisitions, but simply B-type UFA's who each played key roles in making the playoffs as well as providing leadership. They didn't come with overly insane contracts either.
Weren't some of these Neil Smith signings??? I could be wrong as I am getting old... If they were, the building excuse as I believe it is a crock of BS!!!
He always "tries" for the A+ UFA's who we all know would never come here. He is to thick to understand that he needs to go to B and B- UFA types and over pay them and slowly the team will win and you can start getting the A+ guys. Instead he goes for the 40 year old guy 5 years past his prime, who used to have a sexy name. It the same cycle with this clown as GM for 5 years and obviously he is to thick headed to learn.
Should Snow have overpaid for Ehrhoff?
If he did, Tavares's contract would be twice what it is, and signing Strome and resigning Nielson will cost twice as much. Is that how you think this organization should run?
Please tell me who Snow should have signed the last 2 years, and be specific. Don't tell me a 1st line center or 1st pairing defensemen. I'd like to know names?
Brad Richards? Should he have tendered an offersheet to Stamkos? Paid Wiz $6 million a year? Not drafted Tavares, Strome, or Nino? Was Kabanov a big mistake?
If he did, Tavares's contract would be twice what it is, and signing Strome and resigning Nielson will cost twice as much. Is that how you think this organization should run?
Please tell me who Snow should have signed the last 2 years, and be specific. Don't tell me a 1st line center or 1st pairing defensemen. I'd like to know names?
Brad Richards? Should he have tendered an offersheet to Stamkos? Paid Wiz $6 million a year? Not drafted Tavares, Strome, or Nino? Was Kabanov a big mistake?
Richards and Ehroff are A+ types, the big guys on the market we can send an offer but not realistically expect them to sign.
Few names that could have been had based on money and where they signed. Its not a perfect list and some moves would need to be made if any of these happened but these are guys were it would be semi believable that they would sign here. Alot of guys re-signed with there old teams and can not be included in being possible to get.
Tomas Fleischmann
Tim Connolly
Vaclav Prospal
Alexei Ponikarovsky
Raffi Torres
Michael Ryder
Scottie Upshall
Sheldon Souray
Shane O’Brien
Obviously defense was weak this year but if you sign Upshall, Reasonr, and Prospal for example you can trade Comeau while he still had value along with a 2nd or a prospect and try to land a number 4 dman. It seems like Garth only tries for the big fish ever when little ones would go a long way for this team.
If he did, Tavares's contract would be twice what it is, and signing Strome and resigning Nielson will cost twice as much. Is that how you think this organization should run?
Please tell me who Snow should have signed the last 2 years, and be specific. Don't tell me a 1st line center or 1st pairing defensemen. I'd like to know names?
Brad Richards? Should he have tendered an offersheet to Stamkos? Paid Wiz $6 million a year? Not drafted Tavares, Strome, or Nino? Was Kabanov a big mistake?
I like his drafts and dumpster dives, but not his FA targets and overpays (Rolston)
Jagr would have been an exceptional move
Asham
Souray
Volchenkov
Mike Richards
Gagne
Yashin (DUMB buy out)
JOVO
Campbell
Weren't some of these Neil Smith signings??? I could be wrong as I am getting old... If they were, the building excuse as I believe it is a crock of BS!!!
If he did, Tavares's contract would be twice what it is, and signing Strome and resigning Nielson will cost twice as much. Is that how you think this organization should run?
Please tell me who Snow should have signed the last 2 years, and be specific. Don't tell me a 1st line center or 1st pairing defensemen. I'd like to know names?
Brad Richards? Should he have tendered an offersheet to Stamkos? Paid Wiz $6 million a year? Not drafted Tavares, Strome, or Nino? Was Kabanov a big mistake?
How does signing Ehrhoff have anything to do with Tavares?
He always "tries" for the A+ UFA's who we all know would never come here. He is to thick to understand that he needs to go to B and B- UFA types and over pay them and slowly the team will win and you can start getting the A+ guys. Instead he goes for the 40 year old guy 5 years past his prime, who used to have a sexy name. It the same cycle with this clown as GM for 5 years and obviously he is to thick headed to learn.
He has to try to sign those guys. you do not know unless you ask. He would be dumb to not even try. thank god your not the gm
He has to try to sign those guys. you do not know unless you ask. He would be dumb to not even try. thank god your not the gm
I never said don't "try" but its not a reality to sign the Richards type you try full well knowing you need be making an offer to Fleischmann at the same time. Its not a complicated ordeal
Maybe not, Yashin was a 1st line center for us when we bought him out and probably still would be today. I love what JT has done but, he is not a 1st line center yet. How many teams dump their first line center for nothing,none
Tavares is not a first line center? Two questions. did you think Moulson would score 30 goals playing here? Did you think PA was going to get 50 points? who did they play with? JT. Yashin was not going to GET ANYTHING with his contract. Correct me if I am wrong but Yashin did not have a great contract, righht?
I like his drafts and dumpster dives, but not his FA targets and overpays (Rolston)
Jagr would have been an exceptional move
Asham
Souray
Volchenkov
Mike Richards
Gagne
Yashin (DUMB buy out)
JOVO
Campbell
Jagr would have been an exceptional move - except why in the world would Jagr sign with the isles? He wants to win a cup this year
Asham - Asham is a nice player, always liked him, but nothing great. Just a more physical reasoner.
Souray- Not a great player, people would hate him if he were here
Volchenkov - Great choice, but he turned us down and went to NJ
Mike Richards - I guess if you wanted to give the flyers Tavares they would have started talking
Gagne - Nice player, would have been a better choice then Rolston, however they've produced similar stats the last couple years.
Yashin (DUMB buy out) - Are you saying we should have signed Yashin, or even just never cut ties?
JOVO - Florida overpayed, not worth it
Campbell - 5 years left at over 7M a year. Also, he had to waive a no trade clause. Try bringing in Campbell with a 5year 36M contract and then sit down at the bargining tabel and tell JT how he's getting 6years 33M.
The probelm here is none of those players who we realisticly could have gotten would have this team any better then it is now.
This has nothing to do with Snow. Seriously, what could Snow have done any different? The owner doesn't spend money. It's not Snow's money, what do you want Snow to do?
He's trying to build a winner with little kids. It doesn't work and it will never work.
Tavares is not a first line center? Two questions. did you think Moulson would score 30 goals playing here? Did you think PA was going to get 50 points? who did they play with? JT. Yashin was not going to GET ANYTHING with his contract. Correct me if I am wrong but Yashin did not have a great contract, righht?
When that post was made about a year ago Tavares was not a quality first line center. That is not a knock on JT he was 20 and was more of a 2nd line center pushed into a role he was not quite ready for. This is the first season he is showing he is a true number 1 center.
The Yashin contract and buyout had little to do with his on ice play, it was politics with Ryan Smyth. He was still a quality NHL player when he was bought out he just had a terrible contract ( like Gomez right now). The only good after all these years that may have come from the Yashin buyout is we were so bad we were able to draft JT, with Yashin maybe we finish 4th worse that year.
This has nothing to do with Snow. Seriously, what could Snow have done any different? The owner doesn't spend money. It's not Snow's money, what do you want Snow to do?
He's trying to build a winner with little kids. It doesn't work and it will never work.
So if a new owner bought the team today you would want to keep Snow and his staff. If so explain what moves besides drafting in the top 10 he has made that shows he is a winner. The guy is a dud just like his boss.
So if a new owner bought the team today you would want to keep Snow and his staff. If so explain what moves besides drafting in the top 10 he has made that shows he is a winner. The guy is a dud just like his boss.
If a new owner walked in tomorrow, and opened his wallet, then it would be a different world. If that was to happen I believe it would only be fair to give Snow at least 1 full season and off season where he can spend at will and do what he see's fit. If things aren't any differnt come the start of 2013 he would be out. However we're never gonna know what style Garth would use if he had Dolan's check book instead of Wangs.
If a new owner walked in tomorrow, and opened his wallet, then it would be a different world. If that was to happen I believe it would only be fair to give Snow at least 1 full season and off season where he can spend at will and do what he see's fit. If things aren't any differnt come the start of 2013 he would be out. However we're never gonna know what style Garth would use if he had Dolan's check book instead of Wangs.
Again, you are entitled to your opinion and I respect it, but there is no way in ... that a new committed owner would EVER keep Snow. The new owner would bring in a "respected well known GM." Snow, IMO, would only possibly get a low-level scouting position in another organization... SNOW = NO EXPERIENCE/"Wet Behind the Ears" GM...
If a new owner walked in tomorrow, and opened his wallet, then it would be a different world. If that was to happen I believe it would only be fair to give Snow at least 1 full season and off season where he can spend at will and do what he see's fit. If things aren't any differnt come the start of 2013 he would be out. However we're never gonna know what style Garth would use if he had Dolan's check book instead of Wangs.
There is no "fair" in sports and business. What evidence has Snow gave any new potential owner to keep him? Buffalo kept Reiger who has a long history of success, while the Jets immediately fired Dudley who has a so-so history.
This is Snows 4th season as GM and he has accomplished absolutely nothing in his tenure. In his first season, with a roster that was not his he was able to make the playoffs, while trading for Ryan Smyth. That may have been his best moment, BUT after trading for Smyth to go for a playoff run he attempted to trade his 40 goal guy which makes no sense. That offseason he went on to buy out Yashin, our best player in an attempt to sign Smyth and failed. Say what you want about Yashin he was the best player the team had for awhile and since he has left the team has been in the bottom 5, is that a coincidence?
Since than we have only heard the "re-build". Year 1 of the re-build he rushed Bailey into the league when he clearly was not ready, and it has showed the past 2 plus seasons. Snow managed to finish in 30th place which is unacceptable while never getting an NHL quality goalie for the entire year so we had Denis and Mac.
Last season the Isles looked horrible and iced an AHL quality defense the entire season. The season was a mess, and the Isles looked awful. This year he managed to only bring in PAP on offense and brought in an offensive dman in Wiz, so he failed yet again to address the teams needs
The guy has accomplished zero its time to hold him accountable for the team we see today. Prospects look nice and he has stocked up some good looking ones but that is meaningless for this season, and finishing last every season should lead to a nice pool of prospects. Finally, he was the GM for the 15 year deal, if he had balls/was a good GM he steps in and tells Wang its a no go.
One or two of my facts may be wrong, but unfortunately Wang can not be fired so Snow is next in line.
You are totally wrong for thinking Snow has accomplished zero. If you think back to the team he inherited, I would say what he's done has been amazing.
He has in his system better prospects then the Isles have had in years, not counting all the kids currently on the team. And not resigning veterans like Blake, Poti, Koslov & Smyth for the price they were asking for was brilliant.
And his drafting has been been way above average. His contract signings are also very good.
But i'm not saying he's perfect.
He totally rushed Bailey. And not getting a winger and d-man is going to hurt this team this year.
But my real issue with Snow, and i believe it could end up being his down fall, is he hasn't changed the teams image. We are still a laughing stock to the hockey world, but it's not all about our record.
First, he has to settle the DP thing...NOW! It's real dumb to play DP & Nabakov over Montoya, especially when it has nothing to due with either goalies performance.
Then, if he ends up firing Capuano, he has to get a coach with some freakin' NHL experience!!! Does anyone remember the last time we signed one?
Then, he has to settle the Botta thing. It was real dumb. I don't care if he called Wang's mom a C***, you don't take away your best publicity, and a fan loved personality.
And finally, he has to keep Wang away from all hockey operations. Wang ruined this team way more then Milbury ever could.
If he doesn't accomplish these tasks, he will lose his job...at some point. But to say he's done zero is nuts.
P.S: The real mistake, and again made by Wang, was not buying out Yashin the year before where it wouldn't have counted against the cap. Regardless, i wouldn't take Yashin back if you paid me. He was only a #1 center on the Isles.
