This. Very disheartening knowing these two ****ing tools are in charge. My heart breaks thinking of this all the time. Damn shame.
QUOTE=cjdv16;40916183]Isles won't win a thing (or come close to even sniffing the playoffs for that matter) with anywhere near our current defense.
When Milan Jurcina, Mike Mottau, and Dylan Reese (who appears to be the best of the 3) make-up half of your D corp, you're in for a long season.
Bargain Basement Garth (playing the role of puppet) and Wang (starring as the cheap owner) are the sole reasons. No need to write or even talk about it anymore.... it's not going to change for a number of years.
Per the bolded part above, think back to most UFA cycles and tell me where that isn't the case. Every year the team's that "miss out" and their fans go crying about the price of certain players.
Bottom line is that during UFA you must overpay a bit... plain and simple. Clearly Snow doesn't realize that or doesn't have the budget to allow him to compete in that area.
Either way, it sucks for us.
Think Erhoff wouldn't look like night and day right now in comparison to Mike Mottau (a guy who spends more time diving on the ice than on his skates)?
Wonder if Erhoff would have made any real difference on this team.... probably not if you ask Snow who I'm sure would be chock full o' excuses (or simply plead the 5th and demand not to be interviewed like he does every season with the exception of the beginning and the end of the year).
Who says he doesn't? Buffalo didn't over pay a little bit they overpaid ALOT. And the Islanders would have had to pay significantly more than even that to get him.
You guys will be happy you don't have big long overblown contracts when you want to sign your own guys. They are all gonna be tricking in every year and you'll have the money to keep whichever ones you want to keep. You won't be mad then. It's not all it's cracked up to be when your team pays top dollar all the time trust me.
Who says he doesn't? Buffalo didn't over pay a little bit they overpaid ALOT. And the Islanders would have had to pay significantly more than even that to get him.
You guys will be happy you don't have big long overblown contracts when you want to sign your own guys. They are all gonna be tricking in every year and you'll have the money to keep whichever ones you want to keep. You won't be mad then. It's not all it's cracked up to be when your team pays top dollar all the time trust me.
Your missing the point, HFY. We need some quantity of GOOD veteran depth to help develop our young talent. Instead we surround them with crap which in turn dampens their development. Just look at backslides Okposo and Bailey have taken. And in terms of poor depth. our defense is the worst stockpile of that. Eaton, Mottau, Staios, Jurcina and then fodder from the NHL like Reese.... That's not building from the net out, that's backfilling it with sewage. They need to spend to at least fix that problem, but they don't. because Wang doesn't give a **** anymore. If the kids don't develop like they should then saving salary space in the future won't mean anything.
Your missing the point, HFY. We need some quantity of GOOD veteran depth to help develop our young talent. Instead we surround them with crap which in turn dampens their development. Just look at backslides Okposo and Bailey have taken. And in terms of poor depth. our defense is the worst stockpile of that. Eaton, Mottau, Staios, Jurcina and then fodder from the NHL like Reese.... That's not building from the net out, that's backfilling it with sewage. They need to spend to at least fix that problem, but they don't. because Wang doesn't give a **** anymore. If the kids don't develop like they should then saving salary space in the future won't mean anything.
So yeah, he does need to over pay for a few guys.
Spot on, "re-building" only actually works if you add some foundation to the building with Vets CAPABLE of still playing the NHL game in top 6 roles on O and top 4 roles on D. Or else you just spin the tires and suck forever like us, Florida(pre 2011), and Columbus
What the ef is Marty Reasoner? I can't get over how brutal he is. I never expected much but a few face-off wins, some decent defense and maybe 10g15a. He'll be lucky to get 10 pts this year and looks like poop. He'd been a servicable bottom 6 guy last couple of seasons, he's not even a capable 13th forward at this point. How do you sign this guy on 7/1 to a two year deal?
The only issue is Erhoff's contract length, but if we could overpay for five years and win hockey games to attract players in the future? Or even have our young guys develop properly in a better environment?
Proving as usual that we are the softest team in the league so what does Garth do... sit on his hands. His one move this year was waiving a physical forward, although he is inconsistent. It is not a goon that we need, we need a guy who can play hockey and chip in 10-15 goals with size. Lets keep drafting midgets or pure skill guys right Garth. SNOW MUST GO!
What the ef is Marty Reasoner? I can't get over how brutal he is. I never expected much but a few face-off wins, some decent defense and maybe 10g15a. He'll be lucky to get 10 pts this year and looks like poop. He'd been a servicable bottom 6 guy last couple of seasons, he's not even a capable 13th forward at this point. How do you sign this guy on 7/1 to a two year deal?
Id rather have Zenon then Reasoner.. Plus Zenon has more goals!! Unreal!!!!!!
Id rather have Zenon then Reasoner.. Plus Zenon has more goals!! Unreal!!!!!!
I would rather have anyone than Reasnor but it does not start with the 4th line. Our top 6 are all soft along with our top 4. We need players that can play 15 min a night that come to play every night hard. Instead Garth Snow brings in mary after Mary, SNOW MUST GO!
True that is what this thread is about and most of the fans seem to want that.
No, just the ones who cry about it all the time.
You go find another guy who has to go "find" players like Montoya, Grabs, Moulson and PAP. Just the fact he got those 4 guys on the budget he has with the arena and location he has is amazing. He tried to get Erhoff, but he didn't want to come here. What other players in the offseason do you think he should've got? Was richards going to come here?
If he signs Erhoff to a longer contract, and then he doesn't live up to expectations, then you guys would complain about that, and talk about how he gave out such a ridiculous contract, and how come they didn't learn from DP.
Now he has screwed up with bringing the vets in this year. None of those guys have helped the team at all, and they look much better since Rolston went down.
I still think you have to give him another year or two to see how the kids he drafted work out.
You go find another guy who has to go "find" players like Montoya, Grabs, Moulson and PAP. Just the fact he got those 4 guys on the budget he has with the arena and location he has is amazing. He tried to get Erhoff, but he didn't want to come here. What other players in the offseason do you think he should've got? Was richards going to come here?
If he signs Erhoff to a longer contract, and then he doesn't live up to expectations, then you guys would complain about that, and talk about how he gave out such a ridiculous contract, and how come they didn't learn from DP.
Now he has screwed up with bringing the vets in this year. None of those guys have helped the team at all, and they look much better since Rolston went down.
I still think you have to give him another year or two to see how the kids he drafted work out.
I for one agree with everything you posted. I am pointing out that I am SICK of all the bashing this board does, period. From Garth, Wang, Cappy, Bails, Streit, DP, equipment managers and the ice girls.
You go find another guy who has to go "find" players like Montoya, Grabs, Moulson and PAP. Just the fact he got those 4 guys on the budget he has with the arena and location he has is amazing. He tried to get Erhoff, but he didn't want to come here. What other players in the offseason do you think he should've got? Was richards going to come here?
If he signs Erhoff to a longer contract, and then he doesn't live up to expectations, then you guys would complain about that, and talk about how he gave out such a ridiculous contract, and how come they didn't learn from DP.
Now he has screwed up with bringing the vets in this year. None of those guys have helped the team at all, and they look much better since Rolston went down.
I still think you have to give him another year or two to see how the kids he drafted work out.
John-Michael Liles was traded for a second round pick, Kris Versteeg was traded for a 2nd and a 3rd, Franson and Lombardi were traded for Lebda and Slaney, Ian White signed for 2 years/$6 million, Matt Bradley signed in Florida for peanuts...there were plenty of moves out there that Snow could've made. Even if he didn't get a single impact player, he still shouldn't have let all of our depth walk out the door.
So Snow has made a few good waiver wire pickups. Hooray. That doesn't change the fact that we're a bottom 5 team in the NHL again. Snow's job is to build a contending team, and he's failed to do that every single year of his employment.
But hey, it's not like we're getting killed every night
You go find another guy who has to go "find" players like Montoya, Grabs, Moulson and PAP. Just the fact he got those 4 guys on the budget he has with the arena and location he has is amazing.
Yes, let's applaud Snow for taking on (at the time) 4 fringe NHL players who happened to become a little more than something (and I will never include Parenteau in that list, as he is strictly a beneficiary and would not be anything if he wasn't on JT's wing).
And, losing Konopka meant losing heart in that locker room.
John-Michael Liles was traded for a second round pick, Kris Versteeg was traded for a 2nd and a 3rd, Franson and Lombardi were traded for Lebda and Slaney, Ian White signed for 2 years/$6 million, Matt Bradley signed in Florida for peanuts...there were plenty of moves out there that Snow could've made. Even if he didn't get a single impact player, he still shouldn't have let all of our depth walk out the door.
So Snow has made a few good waiver wire pickups. Hooray. That doesn't change the fact that we're a bottom 5 team in the NHL again. Snow's job is to build a contending team, and he's failed to do that every single year of his employment.
But hey, it's not like we're getting killed every night
fantastic post KH!
You add up the assets given and the salary and you're not too far off what we paid for Rolston, Staios, Pandolfo, Reasoner, Nino (yes, we need his cap hit).
Snow is incredibly good at managing that salary/cap - but if ONLY he had enough GM-skills to get better players with the money he spent.
Not a knock on PAP, Moulson, Grabner, Montoya at all - but how can you possibly reward a GM for a bottom five roster?!
John-Michael Liles was traded for a second round pick, Kris Versteeg was traded for a 2nd and a 3rd, Franson and Lombardi were traded for Lebda and Slaney, Ian White signed for 2 years/$6 million, Matt Bradley signed in Florida for peanuts...there were plenty of moves out there that Snow could've made. Even if he didn't get a single impact player, he still shouldn't have let all of our depth walk out the door.
So Snow has made a few good waiver wire pickups. Hooray. That doesn't change the fact that we're a bottom 5 team in the NHL again. Snow's job is to build a contending team, and he's failed to do that every single year of his employment.
But hey, it's not like we're getting killed every night
No, actually, they've played pretty well lately. Especially since Rolston is gone. And you negatards would've blasted Snow for trading a 2nd and 3rd for Versteeg.
Actually Snow never promised to build a winner right away. He said they were going to rebulid and that is what they are doing. You can't judge him until the kids grow up.
And whoaaa!! Great post, who knew he could've got all those game changing superstars.
And i admitted Snow has made some mistakes. He's certainly not perfect, and could things be better? Sure. But the way most of you act is ridiculous.
You add up the assets given and the salary and you're not too far off what we paid for Rolston, Staios, Pandolfo, Reasoner, Nino (yes, we need his cap hit).
Snow is incredibly good at managing that salary/cap - but if ONLY he had enough GM-skills to get better players with the money he spent.
Not a knock on PAP, Moulson, Grabner, Montoya at all - but how can you possibly reward a GM for a bottom five roster?!
I'm not rewarding anybody. He hasn't accomplished anything. But I have watched hockey long enough to know that you don't take what he inherited and turn it around right away. He has until the rebuild is done, and the kids he drafted to grow up a little more before I judge him. That's all. I'm not saying he's the best, and i'm not saying he's the worst. I'm just sayibg he deserves to finish the job he was given.
I know he hasn't traded away all our young players like somebody did before him, that's for sure.
Only in Islander land is Snow not a bad GM. Here's to another bottom 5 finish. Some fans truly do deserve this team and this management team.
You're a sports fan. You don't "deserve" anything. You have a chioce. I know if being an Isles fan bothered me as much as it bothers you, i would find something more 'fun".
