He does make sense, Dice. That's why fans overrate their players and other teams love the new additions we so hated when here. Objectivity.....and how cool would it be if Wang hired a Team President to take over operations and signed checks and left everything else alone?
A lot of changes need to be made but I am hoping garth doesent panic and makes an idiotic Mike Milbury trade. The sad thing is I believe he will.. no one is going to the games and I just got an email offering me a Dave and Busters power cards if I buy 4 tickets. GM's are going to want more then usual in trade demands because the Islanders will look desperate.
My favorite is how he compares him to Ziggy Palffy like that's a bad thing. Palffy was a first line winger in the NHL, putting up 85+ point seasons in years where the number of players reaching that total was in the single digits.
Agreed, and the worst part is that we are moving him from his natural position so that Rob Friggen Schremp can get time at center.
Seriously. They traded up for this guy because they thought he could be a top 6 center. Now, in favor of Schremp they move him to wing? To me, you are wasting him on the wing. I inderstood when they first played him at 18, just to get used to the game, but he should be a center, not a winger.
Seriously. They traded up for this guy because they thought he could be a top 6 center. Now, in favor of Schremp they move him to wing? To me, you are wasting him on the wing. I inderstood when they first played him at 18, just to get used to the game, but he should be a center, not a winger.
I just don't get why Gordon NEEDS to have Schremp at center.
His entire time in the Oilers system he played wing, he is not even adequate defensively as a winger, yet Gordon trots him out there at center, a more defensively demanding position.
I just don't get why Gordon NEEDS to have Schremp at center.
His entire time in the Oilers system he played wing, he is not even adequate defensively as a winger, yet Gordon trots him out there at center, a more defensively demanding position.
And a perfect example was the goal against the Canes when he let the guy get osition onhim and tap in the second goal. DH, I just feel like whee eve I llok to find a positive, I can't It's so disheartening.
So your opinion is a 21 year old who put up over 50pts in his 2nd year & plays in every situation, and does it damn well, yet, he'd make no difference on the team? Solid argument.
Nope, this team is a mess and KO has his disappearing acts as well. He is no savior.
You say Snow has done nothing. I agree that he's accomplished nothing, so far, but saying he's done nothing is hyperbole. Can you explain our strong play the first several games? Why does the last stretch outweigh the first stretch? That's my biggest item of contention with this thread.
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Big deal, every team in the league goes on winning streaks. The last stretch outweighs the first because the team is a mess on all aspects, and under .500 now. 3 games under and in 13th place. Yet you ask such a ridiculous question.
Big deal, every team in the league goes on winning streaks. The last stretch outweighs the first because the team is a mess on all aspects, and under .500 now. 3 games under and in 13th place. Yet you ask such a ridiculous question.
You do realize that at the time the question was relevant? Are you going to continue to quote different parts of my post? Don't bother to answer.
I'm willing to wait and see if this is a rough patch or an endless downward spiral. Some aren't so willing. Some inconsistencies with this roster should be expected. Legitimate questions can be brought up without the rest of the overly dramatic calling for heads.
I just don't get why Gordon NEEDS to have Schremp at center.
His entire time in the Oilers system he played wing, he is not even adequate defensively as a winger, yet Gordon trots him out there at center, a more defensively demanding position.
Schremp won't be at center for long. He's far too aimless. The only reason why he gets inserted is because of his past production at center last season. If his play continues along its current path, his past production won't be buying him much of anything.
I wouldn't worry about much of this. Especially if this current streak continues, the fat is going to get trimmed quite fast.
I expect two of the three brainless wonders to be gone by next season. (Schremp, Comeau, PAP)
Schremp won't be at center for long. He's far too aimless. The only reason why he gets inserted is because of his past production at center last season. If his play continues along its current path, his past production won't be buying him much of anything.
I wouldn't worry about much of this. Especially if this current streak continues, the fat is going to get trimmed quite fast.
I expect two of the three brainless wonders to be gone by next season. (Schremp, Comeau, PAP)
They played hard tonight, but we clearly are not a very talented hockey club. There are very few bright spots. Not to get on Trent Hunter, but I'm tired of watching that ilk of player. I should note that while the team played hard, it looked as the Flyers were on a power play for the entire 3rd period. Best player on the ice for us was the 40 year old goalie. That says plenty.
Going to be a tough road trip.
I don't see Snow going anywhere. My problem lies with the owner. As fans, I wish we could fire him.
It's so easy to blame "the coach"..."the GM"...during times like these, but I think we must look above those two. Both of these professionals are forced to work within barriers, challenges, and parameters that many other NHL coaches and GM's do not endure.
Hey, I'm sick of losing just like everyone else... it starts atop and trickles down.
Another game in the books, another game with the lack of NHL talent on the ice leads to the loss.
Snow Must Go!
The blame is more on ownership than the GM, as far as I am concerned. Sure, I guess Snow could be doing a better job. But he's being given half the payroll of some other teams to work with. It isn't easy to build a winner that way.
The blame is more on ownership than the GM, as far as I am concerned. Sure, I guess Snow could be doing a better job. But he's being given half the payroll of some other teams to work with. It isn't easy to build a winner that way.
Time for Wang to either invest a lot more or just sell the team, I'm honestly sure someone with more power could pick it up and either move it or get a project going...then again,
maybe someone needs to go and have Kate Murray's head.
Nassau County sucks balls, I wish they played in Suffolk if they had the room, wouldn't be such an issue.
The blame is more on ownership than the GM, as far as I am concerned. Sure, I guess Snow could be doing a better job. But he's being given half the payroll of some other teams to work with. It isn't easy to build a winner that way.
Snow's cap management skills (budgeting) are horrible. He is paying for a $30 million dollar team and is getting a $15 million dollar team.
We have enough depth where we can start to plug in kids and cheap NHLers in the bottom 6. We need some real talent and wasting 1.7 million on Sim, Gillies, PAP and another 700K on the likes of Schremp - well, let's just say we could have a legitimate forward with that money.
They actuallly played more like last year but a bunch of observations after the Flyers games
1) The best forecheckers from last year were Park and Bergenheim, the forecheck just is not as effective with them gone
2) Mottau, Eaton and Wisniewski have to play a lot more than they are accustomed to... that is why the 3rd period had long stretches in the defensive zone
3) Grabner looks good on TV, and in person he is a complete nightmare. He just does not know how to defend. The first goal was on him for letting Pronger take forever to set up his shot, similarly against Ottawa with Gonchar. He has good offensive skill but clearly needs to be in the AHL working on his complete game
4) Trent Hunter and Doug Weight were very effective because they know where they should be at all times, just a bit slow to get back on defense.
5) Blake Comeau is baffling. He was awful again tonight, and not sure how a guy can go from the second coming of John Tonelli for 25-30 games to Ruslan Fedotenko in a 7 game stretch. He continues to be the X factor, when he plays well.... we win.
It was great not having Parenteau on the ice, now we have to find a way to get Schremp and Gillies off the ice.
Right now, it seems to me that the GM and coach are not on the same page. Yes there is a limited budget and limited resources etc... UFA"s don't want to play here etc... Snow keeps signing guys that are completely incapable of playing in the Scott Gordon system. These PP specialists are defensive liabilities. Gordon did not want to resign Sim, but Snow overruled him on that one. Gordon did not want to see Nate Thompson go and now we have Zenon Konopka who is just not a smart hockey player.
When this season started, I assumed 14th-15th place because of the injuries to Okposo and Streit, and my expectations changed with the 4-1-2 tease, but honestly we are a very very bad hockey team, in the 6 games we earned points, we were outplayed heavily.
I think if things stay this course, we will have a new GM and coach next year. If the GM wants to save their jobs, he would be making a big trade right now.
I just don't get why Gordon NEEDS to have Schremp at center.
His entire time in the Oilers system he played wing, he is not even adequate defensively as a winger, yet Gordon trots him out there at center, a more defensively demanding position.
DP in net, Schremp at center, chemistry messed with, maybe, just maybe, GORTON WANTS TO GET FIRED?
Lavy got fired and won a Stanley Cup and nearly another.
I think if things stay this course, we will have a new GM and coach next year. If the GM wants to save their jobs, he would be making a big trade right now.
I would be SHOCKED if Wang fired Snow. I could see Gordon being shown the door though, not that he deserves all the blame.
I'm not sure firing Snow right now would do much anyway, as I doubt any respected GM would be willing to work under Wang.
As others have already said, the problem is at the top(Wang).
All we can hope for is that Wang sells the team in the near future.
Snow's cap management skills (budgeting) are horrible. He is paying for a $30 million dollar team and is getting a $15 million dollar team.
We have enough depth where we can start to plug in kids and cheap NHLers in the bottom 6. We need some real talent and wasting 1.7 million on Sim, Gillies, PAP and another 700K on the likes of Schremp - well, let's just say we could have a legitimate forward with that money.
But wouldn't those players you've named qualify as the "plug-ins"? Or are you arguing to spend a little bit more for better plug-ins?
Sim and Hilbert are in the A. PAP will most likely soon follow. Schremp may end up in the press box when everyone is healthy.
The problem here is team health, forcing the Isles to rely on regular shifts from some of the aforementioned players. I don't think they were supposed to be long-term solutions. Players make the league minimum for a reason.
Unfortunately, the Isles pick up injuries easier than Paris Hilton picks up STDs.
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All we can hope for is that Wang sells the team in the near future.
It's a catch-22, though. What owner is going to want to buy this team and keep it on Long Island?
Wang needs to keep the team here, get that finalized. Then sell the team. Unless we don't mind the team moving? I don't know anymore. I have no idea where I'm going to end up in a month or so once I graduate college and need to find a job.
The way this team is playing Scott Gordon will be fired before Christmas and Garth Snow will take over coaching. As I predicted in a post a month ago!!
This team is not NHL Caliber.. We have a minor league team on the ice and ZERO LEADERSHIP on and off the ice.
But wouldn't those players you've named qualify as the "plug-ins"? Or are you arguing to spend a little bit more for better plug-ins?
Sim and Hilbert are in the A. PAP will most likely soon follow. Schremp may end up in the press box when everyone is healthy.
The problem here is team health, forcing the Isles to rely on regular shifts from some of the aforementioned players. I don't think they were supposed to be long-term solutions. Players make the league minimum for a reason.
Unfortunately, the Isles pick up injuries easier than Paris Hilton picks up STDs.
It's a catch-22, though. What owner is going to want to buy this team and keep it on Long Island?
Wang needs to keep the team here, get that finalized. Then sell the team. Unless we don't mind the team moving? I don't know anymore. I have no idea where I'm going to end up in a month or so once I graduate college and need to find a job.
An owner comes in now making ALL event revenues hockey and concert and so on, essentially owning the arena rights. He makes BIG cable money, has the right to GET THE BEST PEOPLE POSSIBLE to negotiate with the County on post 2015, has a hockey team ready to move up (when allowed to) and can fix this just by removing the one constant constraint - the owner he replaces.
I also think the economy will provide local wealth in the next two years and possibly beyond (as does Wall Street). NY will again be a better place for business Cuomo aside.
I wouldn't worry. The meat of the matter is whether Cholly will ever sell. After that, it's gravy.
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