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11-14-2010, 06:54 AM
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355 forwards have played on the PK this year ... Tom Pyatt sits at #16.

There's a reason our PK sits at #3 in the entire NHL. Tom Pyatt isn't the only reason, but he's a damn big one. And I know I'm a huge Pyatt homer, but the PK is damn important, especially when your PP isn't doing so hot.

Just throwing some appreciation out for the kid.

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There's a reason our PK sits at #3 in the entire NHL. Tom Pyatt isn't the only reason, but he's a damn big one. And I know I'm a huge Pyatt homer, but the PK is damn important, especially when your PP isn't doing so hot.

Just throwing some appreciation out for the kid.
The one game he didn't play the isles lit us up on the PP. That's a huge reason why our PK isn't 1st lmao.

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Oh Natey, you and your man crushes.

Pyatt, Hamrlik, Brisebois, Desharnais, Halak etc..

You're entertaining, I'll give you that.

As for Pyatt, his work on the PK has been impressive. And I like him, don't get me wrong, but I don't see him ever really becoming much more than a PK specialist, to be honest.

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Oh Natey, you and your man crushes.

Pyatt, Hamrlik, Brisebois, Desharnais, Halak etc..

You're entertaining, I'll give you that.

As for Pyatt, his work on the PK has been impressive. And I like him, don't get me wrong, but I don't see him ever really becoming much more than a PK specialist, to be honest.
Every team can use 4th liners and PK specialists. Might as well be a guy that (mostly) grew up in the organisation, is cheap, and is actually efficient at it.

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Pleks is simply too valuable the way he's playing right now to use on the top PK unit. That makes the other guys who can do it at a high level all the more valuable.

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He's also looked a lot better 5 on 5 since Boyd and Lapierre have been taken off his line.

Halpern has been such an awesome signing, him and Pyatt have been excellent together on the PK.

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Pyatt is a work-horse, no doubting that.

He plays with a lot of heart and grit, has tons of speed and is very intelligent on the ice. Playing on the P.K. is just a stroke of genius and I'm totally with you on the Pyatt fan-club.

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But I thought Pyatt didn't belong in the line up?

Some people don't understand he's a very solid 4th liner and ELITE penalty killer. He has his place on this team and then some.

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Pleks is simply too valuable the way he's playing right now to use on the top PK unit. That makes the other guys who can do it at a high level all the more valuable.
It's a damn shame Plekanec has not been nominated for a Selke yet, and if he doesn't this year then it's an even bigger shame. He's absolutely fantastic in all zones and in every game situation.

Not even on the All-Star ballot...

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Whereas I agree Tom has had his impact, I'm not sure what the OP means, link?

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Oh Natey, you and your man crushes.

Pyatt, Hamrlik, Brisebois, Desharnais, Halak etc..

You're entertaining, I'll give you that.

As for Pyatt, his work on the PK has been impressive. And I like him, don't get me wrong, but I don't see him ever really becoming much more than a PK specialist, to be honest.
I don't have a problem with that. 4th liner who does is job 5 on 5 and excels at PK for 500-600K per year... I'm down with that.

PKs are critical to today's game, especially in the playoffs. Just look at what Pyatt did in last year's playoffs.

I don't expect any offense from the 4th line, except maybe 1 goal per 10 games...please That's my only knock on him, I wish he contributed just a little on the offense. I don't think 5-8 goals per season is too much asking.

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#22 what? time on pk?

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Whereas I agree Tom has had his impact, I'm not sure what the OP means, link?

Team Home: GP TS PPGA H PK% Road: GP R TS PPGA PK% Total: GP TS PPGA PK% SHG
1 LAK 8 31 0 100.0 7 33 5 84.8 15 64 5 92.2 2
2 TBL 6 27 2 92.6 10 42 5 88.1 16 69 7 89.9 0
3 MTL 9 40 7 82.5 8 32 1 96.9 17 72 8 88.9 1
4 BOS 7 28 4 85.7 7 23 2 91.3 14 51 6 88.2 2
5 MIN 9 42 7 83.3 6 30 2 93.3 15 72 9 87.5 0
6 PIT 8 36 7 80.6 10 44 3 93.2 18 80 10 87.5 3
7 PHI 10 43 5 88.4 7 40 6 85.0 17 83 11 86.8 4
8 DET 9 33 3 90.9 6 29 6 79.3 15 62 9 85.5 1
9 FLA 7 25 3 88.0 8 23 4 82.6 15 48 7 85.4 0
10 WSH 9 35 5 85.7 8 40 6 85.0 17 75 11 85.3 4
11 VAN 7 27 2 92.6 9 33 7 78.8 16 60 9 85.0 1
12 SJS 9 33 7 78.8 6 37 4 89.2 15 70 11 84.3 1
13 ANA 9 33 7 78.8 9 48 6 87.5 18 81 13 84.0 0
14 CBJ 10 38 5 86.8 5 24 5 79.2 15 62 10 83.9 2
15 STL 7 30 4 86.7 8 30 6 80.0 15 60 10 83.3 2
16 CGY 8 32 5 84.4 8 34 6 82.4 16 66 11 83.3 3
17 NYI 5 19 4 79.0 12 52 8 84.6 17 71 12 83.1 2
18 NJD 8 26 4 84.6 9 33 6 81.8 17 59 10 83.0 1
19 OTT 9 35 7 80.0 8 29 4 86.2 17 64 11 82.8 1
20 NSH 7 29 5 82.8 8 26 5 80.8 15 55 10 81.8 0
21 CHI 11 31 5 83.9 8 29 7 75.9 19 60 12 80.0 1
22 BUF 8 24 4 83.3 10 44 10 77.3 18 68 14 79.4 0
23 NYR 9 34 8 76.5 7 31 6 80.6 16 65 14 78.5 2
24 PHX 9 35 6 82.9 8 34 9 73.5 17 69 15 78.3 2
25 ATL 8 32 7 78.1 9 29 8 72.4 17 61 15 75.4 2
26 CAR 7 22 4 81.8 10 43 12 72.1 17 65 16 75.4 2
27 TOR 9 27 6 77.8 7 28 8 71.4 16 55 14 74.6 0
28 DAL 8 31 5 83.9 7 30 11 63.3 15 61 16 73.8 2
29 COL 7 31 11 64.5 9 33 6 81.8 16 64 17 73.4 2
30 EDM 6 25 7 72.0 9 41 15 63.4 15 66 22 66.7 2


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#22 what? time on pk?
SH TOI/G among FWD

Player Team Pos GP ES TOI ES TOI/G SH TOI SH TOI/G PP TOI PP TOI/G TOI TOI/G Shifts TOI/S Sft/G
1 Todd Marchant ANA C 18 166:28 9:14 82:05 4:33 0:14 0:00 248:47 13:49 379 39.0 21.1
2 Blair Betts PHI C 17 118:17 6:57 75:39 4:27 0:53 0:03 194:49 11:27 303 39.0 17.8
3 Darroll Powe PHI C 17 165:29 9:44 66:46 3:55 1:36 0:05 233:51 13:45 343 41.0 20.2
4 Ryan O'Reilly COL C 16 218:02 13:37 57:05 3:34 3:31 0:13 278:38 17:24 370 45.0 23.1
5 Jay McClement STL C 15 194:57 12:59 51:22 3:25 0:48 0:03 247:07 16:28 327 45.0 21.8
6 John Madden MIN C 15 183:54 12:15 51:00 3:24 7:11 0:28 242:05 16:08 341 43.0 22.7
7 Darren Helm DET C 15 123:28 8:13 50:06 3:20 1:27 0:05 175:01 11:40 249 42.0 16.6
8 Maxime Talbot PIT C 18 183:10 10:10 58:32 3:15 2:17 0:07 243:59 13:33 330 44.0 18.3
9 Craig Adams PIT R 16 128:38 8:02 51:13 3:12 0:18 0:01 180:09 11:15 239 45.0 14.9
10 Ryan Callahan NYR R 15 209:33 13:58 47:01 3:08 53:52 3:35 310:26 20:41 365 51.0 24.3
11 Patrick Eaves DET R 13 100:55 7:45 40:28 3:06 1:21 0:06 142:44 10:58 213 40.0 16.4
12 Lauri Korpikoski PHX L 17 173:26 10:12 52:53 3:06 1:00 0:03 227:19 13:22 305 45.0 17.9
13 Vernon Fiddler PHX C 17 220:17 12:57 52:43 3:06 3:02 0:10 276:02 16:14 381 43.0 22.4
14 Matt Cooke PIT L 18 184:40 10:15 55:41 3:05 18:31 1:01 258:52 14:22 343 45.0 19.1
15 Daniel Winnik COL L 16 219:22 13:42 49:08 3:04 3:31 0:13 272:01 17:00 362 45.0 22.6
16 Jerred Smithson NSH C 15 154:12 10:16 45:22 3:01 2:04 0:08 201:38 13:26 325 37.0 21.7
17 Michal Handzus LAK C 15 162:16 10:49 45:20 3:01 49:22 3:17 256:58 17:07 365 42.0 24.3
18 Nate Thompson TBL C 16 176:36 11:02 47:46 2:59 2:31 0:09 226:53 14:10 355 38.0 22.2
19 Michael Grier BUF R 18 225:42 12:32 53:15 2:57 5:42 0:19 284:39 15:48 356 48.0 19.8
20 Curtis Glencross CGY L 15 170:01 11:20 44:22 2:57 12:31 0:50 226:54 15:07 324 42.0 21.6
21 Pascal Dupuis PIT R 17 217:00 12:45 49:36 2:55 0:53 0:03 267:29 15:44 331 48.0 19.5
22 Mike Richards PHI C 17 217:21 12:47 48:47 2:52 57:32 3:23 323:40 19:02 436 45.0 25.6
23 Tom Pyatt MTL C 15 144:12 9:36 43:00 2:52 0:35 0:02 187:47 12:31 266 42.0 17.7
24 Claude Giroux PHI R 17 216:31 12:44 48:28 2:51 55:25 3:15 320:24 18:50 433 44.0 25.5
25 Chris Kelly OTT C 17 206:35 12:09 48:07 2:49 0:56 0:03 255:38 15:02 330 46.0 19.4
26 Jeff Halpern MTL C 17 181:51 10:41 47:50 2:48 4:08 0:14 233:49 13:45 364 39.0 21.4
27 John Mitchell TOR C 7 78:38 11:14 19:35 2:47 4:00 0:34 102:13 14:36 138 44.0 19.7
28 Rod Pelley NJD C 17 165:46 9:45 47:18 2:46 1:54 0:06 214:58 12:38 327 39.0 19.2
29 Drew Miller DET L 12 102:30 8:32 33:18 2:46 1:33 0:07 137:21 11:26 192 43.0 16.0
30 Brandon Dubinsky NYR C 16 227:49 14:14 44:23 2:46 61:28 3:50 333:40 20:51 378 53.0 23.6

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Oh Natey, you and your man crushes.

Pyatt, Hamrlik, Brisebois, Desharnais, Halak etc..

You're entertaining, I'll give you that.

As for Pyatt, his work on the PK has been impressive. And I like him, don't get me wrong, but I don't see him ever really becoming much more than a PK specialist, to be honest.
So? $1.1M ($0.5M for Pyatt and $0.6M for Halpern) for 2 PK specialists / Bottom-6 players capable of holding their own and helping the Canadiens win. What else do you want? Look at the top-30 SH TOI/G , most are bottom-6 players.

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So? $1.1M ($0.5M for Pyatt and $0.6M for Halpern) for 2 PK specialists / Bottom-6 players capable of holding their own and helping the Canadiens win. What else do you want? Look at the top-30 SH TOI/G , most are bottom-6 players.
I'm not trying to put down Pyatt in any way. I just think those who are expecting anything in the form of offense from him are going to be disappointed.

I just see him being at most, a PK specialist. And like you said, that's perfectly fine because he comes cheap and you need a good PK in this league.

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He is good for what he is. I like that the players all seem to be developing their own identities.

I still think we need one more top six forward, and honestly, the guy to give his spot up (in this case moved) would probably be Lapierre.

Beautiful goal last night, but he doesn't kill penalties, he doesn't produce much offense generally speaking and his value as an agitator isn't to me that much unless he backs it up with fights or points, neither of which he does.

So when it comes time to trade for a top six guy later in the season, I could see it being Lapierre going out the other way if guys like Pyatt, Halpern and Darche keep doing everything they're doing and remaining valuable in specialized roles.

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It makes sense that he gets the most minutes on the PK, simply because he doesn't play in any other situation, on 5 on 5, his line is benched, or skipped often.

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Oh Natey, you and your man crushes.

Pyatt, Hamrlik, Brisebois, Desharnais, Halak etc..

You're entertaining, I'll give you that.

As for Pyatt, his work on the PK has been impressive. And I like him, don't get me wrong, but I don't see him ever really becoming much more than a PK specialist, to be honest.
I love players that play with heart and leave every ounce of energy they have in their body on the ice. I love players who give it their all and play defense. I like the unsung heroes, so to speak.

How often do defensive forwards get love? Not as much as they should. So I'm there for that.

I have more man crushes than that, but usally players who get a lot of love from everyone else, so I don't feel a need to put it out there.

I remember when I was saying Plekanec could be a #1 center and people laughed at me.

You'll probably bring up Brisebois, but he was my favourite player when I was 4-years old along with Kirk Muller and Paul DiPietro. Kind of had to stick with him.

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It makes sense that he gets the most minutes on the PK, simply because he doesn't play in any other situation, on 5 on 5, his line is benched, or skipped often.
Well, Pyatt averages almost 13 minutes/game, so he plays nearly 10 minutes/game at ES. He chews up quite a bit of ice-time and the other team's rarely sting us when he's on the ice (especially on the PK). Not to mention, he's looked a lot better since he's been seperated from Boyd and to a lesser extent, Lapierre.


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Pyatt is a work-horse, no doubting that.

He plays with a lot of heart and grit, has tons of speed and is very intelligent on the ice. Playing on the P.K. is just a stroke of genius and I'm totally with you on the Pyatt fan-club.
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But I thought Pyatt didn't belong in the line up?

Some people don't understand he's a very solid 4th liner and ELITE penalty killer. He has his place on this team and then some.
Good to hear boys. Need more fans like you who to understand how important the PK is.

Whenever we get a penalty this year, I don't even worry. I'm just like ehhh, PK's got it. And most times, they do.

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Anybody can play on the PK

0 goal, 0 assist, 0 pts, -4, 2 pim... What a great player !!!

Like Don Cherry said about Rickard Wallin : he doesn't hit, he doesn't fight, he doesn't score....

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Yeah Pyatt is pretty good defensively, but it stops here... He doesn't hit, he doesn't offensive instinct, always do the same freaking thing when he has the puck, doesn't have a great shot, etc...

I still think that we could use more of a Ryan White, yes he might be a little less good in defensive than Pyatt, but he brings a hole lot more to the table!

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On one hand he's fast and has drawn a bunch of penalties. He's also proven to be reliable on the PK -- which despite the rest of my post below, I admit to be a huge factor.

On the other hand he's way over-played in a 5on5 situation as he has no tools in the shed other than his speed. He can't hit, can't fight, can't shoot and can't make a play. I'd rather Ryan White.

I don't mind him with ~10min/game but he brings less to the table than Steve Begin. He doesn't belong anywhere near the top9 and is detrimental to the team in any other role.

The coaches make the PK, the players make the PP - come on, you should know that. Decision making on the PP is much harder than "snuff the lanes, chip the puck out" on the PK.

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Pyatt is a great PK specialist no doubt. I just hope he develops a little more offensively.

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Anybody can play on the PK

0 goal, 0 assist, 0 pts, -4, 2 pim... What a great player !!!

Like Don Cherry said about Rickard Wallin : he doesn't hit, he doesn't fight, he doesn't score....
You should listen to Don Cherry

He never won the cup, but he won a Jack Adams with a stacked team.

He tells people to cover the points, but that leaves the slot, a higher percentage area wide open.

He hates Europeans, but they're just as tough as "Good ol' Canadian boys"

He roots for Toronto, a loser for how long ?

Anything said to him either leads to story about Bobby Orr, about when he was coaching, or military people. I have tons of respect for them too, but I don't watch cooking shows to see how to fix my car, so I don't watch a hockey program to hear about what's going on 3000 miles away.

He always shows about how he said certain players were going to be stars. I'm sure he's said certain players were going to be a star and turned out to be busts.

He can't pronounce anyone's name.

He's always yelling for some reason.

Only good thing about him is he hates Avery.

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Pyatt's definitely an important part of the team. These days you can roll 3 lines and keep your "specialists" on the 4th line.

I think he's an important part of our 4th line as well, by helping keep the puck deep in the opposition zone. That line hasn't been a liability the last few games, and has drawn a few penalties as well.

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great on the pk but please martin never put him with gionta and gomez ever again

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Damn it, natey. Why are you always fan of the underdogs?

You're always the one defending the players who get bashed or are underappreciated.

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