Good example was how Mac kO'd Calgary's big guy. Did anybody come out trash talking that he got what he deserved. No. Class only belongs to about 98% of the league. The Aveery's and Burrows of the league are in the other 2%.
i would say it's much more cowardly and lacks integrity to pretend to like someone and say nice things about someone you hate than be truthful when asked a question.
Honest though, I am having a hard time seeing what Avery should have been suspended/fined for like so many people are suggesting?
No doubt he deserves retribution but more from a players code angle than from a league perspective, he didn't really do anything that warrants a further look.
See above, Carcillo got 4 games for his sucker punch on Bradley.
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They protect him because if they didn't and something happened to him they would be in deep legal crap. Like it or not, they do kinda have to do the right thing.
???? The officials have no responsibility to stop an altercation. If an official does not feel safe in breaking up a fight he should not do so.
There would be no lawsuit if a linesman let someone fight.
is there any indication that Burrows knew about Smid's injury? if not, this is a nothing story dressed up to create controversy.
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Obviously Burrows feels the same way about Smid. You can hardly damn a person for expressing feelings about hockey players that you admittedly have yourself.
Whether he is injured or not doesn't matter. You don't sucker punch someone, and you don't condone it either.
there is a difference in instigating a fight and going around throwing sucker punches when other players aren't expecting them.
i would say it's much more cowardly and lacks integrity to pretend to like someone and say nice things about someone you hate than be truthful when asked a question.
just me though.
If the twins are knocked out and Stortini says something, you'd react the same way.
Whether he is injured or not doesn't matter. You don't sucker punch someone, and you don't condone it either.
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What Burrows said was classless, as is Avery.
this is why i don't really get the whole "classless" argument, because by your logic, those calling for someone to injure Burrows in this thread are "classless" too.
it only makes sense.
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If the twins are knocked out and Stortini says something, you'd react the same way.
The punch was definitely dirty but this is part and parcel of what people should come to expect out of Avery. Players like Avery, Ruttu, Cooke have proven time and time and time again that they do not follow any unwritten, or written for that matter, rules of hockey conduct. I have trouble believing that other players in the NHL are not wise to that fact.
I mean I feel sorry for Smid but he is probably feeling the most embarrassed out of this whole situation for getting caught, of all people, by Avery like he did. I should of expected him to know better.
Heads up. Versus panel on tonight's TSN2 game about to talk about the Avery situation.
EDIT: Panel view was:
- Avery did not respect the code.
- Smid should know better that Avery doesn't respect the code.
- Smid should have dropped his gloves right away to embarrass Avery.
- Avery's punch was unsporting, but not a sucker punch.
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Heads up. Versus panel on tonight's TSN2 game about to talk about the Avery situation.
They nailed it on the head. Force Avery to fight instead of asking him next time Smider. Lesson learned. Doesn't excuse Avery's cowardly actions as they described. Not a sucker punch since Smid clearly never looked away. But the attack was unexpected and unfairly maliced. A predatorial attack imo. But not a sucker punch.
Dubinsky should be refunded that fine money for the dangle he just pulled on that Callahan setup..
this is why i don't really get the whole "classless" argument, because by your logic, those calling for someone to injure Burrows in this thread are "classless" too.
this is why i don't really get the whole "classless" argument, because by your logic, those calling for someone to injure Burrows in this thread are "classless" too.
it only makes sense.
Have to agree with this.
A lot of people here waving hands wildly and wishing violence on Avery and Burrows while apparently having respect for the "code" and valor and honor after all.
i would say it's much more cowardly and lacks integrity to pretend to like someone and say nice things about someone you hate than be truthful when asked a question.
just me though.
Well, as a fan of the Canucks I guess you eventually become an expert in the lack of integrity and pretending to be something your not...
Borrows should have kept his mouth shut and if he was saying that about my teammate I would make him back it up. I like Smid but he messed up just as much as Avery but to come out and say it's a good thing makes him a target my next game. That's just how I would see it. That's just what happens when u play the game talk s**t back it up. Jump guys, you get jumped
Borrows should have kept his mouth shut and if he was saying that about my teammate I would make him back it up. I like Smid but he messed up just as much as Avery but to come out and say it's a good thing makes him a target my next game. That's just how I would see it. That's just what happens when u play the game talk s**t back it up. Jump guys, you get jumped
The whole point that escapes you and several others is that Burrows wants to be that target and has enough balls to actually put a target on his back, go out on the ice, and say come and get me.
Which the Oilers will ineffectually try to do while becoming distracted at chasing flies while the hockey game gets away from them.
Its an instigators role to be that distraction. Burrows just saw this as an opportunity to do some proactive homework.
God forbid if the Oilers take that comment as seriously as people on the internet do. Its just Burrows being Burrows.
Just think from Burrows perspective what did he have to accomplish saying that comment. Its obvious its to get under the skin purposely being that the situation had nothing to do with Burrows.
On the internet, Burrows would be a troll, on the ice, if crap like this works, he's just doing his job.
Obvious troll is obvious. Or should be..
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The punch was definitely dirty but this is part and parcel of what people should come to expect out of Avery. Players like Avery, Ruttu, Cooke have proven time and time and time again that they do not follow any unwritten, or written for that matter, rules of hockey conduct. I have trouble believing that other players in the NHL are not wise to that fact.
I mean I feel sorry for Smid but he is probably feeling the most embarrassed out of this whole situation for getting caught, of all people, by Avery like he did. I should of expected him to know better.
Yup, and hopefully he learns from this. Next time, take the suspension instead of the injury.
A lot of people here waving hands wildly and wishing violence on Avery and Burrows while apparently having respect for the "code" and valor and honor after all.
Yeah I don't get it either.
The same thing could be said for the Rag fans calling out Eric Christensen for apparently not following "the code" by speaking the truth in an interview on one hand, and on the other hand acting like rabid **** suckers worshipping Avery like a god for breaking "the code".
to be honest, i hope what is learned from this is that a completely legal, hard hit doesn't require a fight.
This doesnt really work with this instance though. If Smid jumped him, then yeah. But he just tried to engage him.
Fighting after a hit is part of hockey. Always has been. Smid tried to fight him "within the code", Avery wouldnt so Smid was backing away. If Avery never suckered him and it just ended with them skating apart, would you have a problem with Smid asking for a fight and then backing away when the ***** wouldnt bite?
The same thing could be said for the Rag fans calling out Eric Christensen for apparently not following "the code" by speaking the truth in an interview on one hand, and on the other hand acting like rabid **** suckers worshipping Avery like a god for breaking "the code".
Yeah, it was funny when another Ranger fan pointed out that hypocrisy.
Yeah, it was funny when another Ranger fan pointed out that hypocrisy.
Oh that is beautiful! Maybe there is hope for some Ranger fans out there, New Yohk is a big city.. There has to be some smarter than the 10 watt light bulbs I've had the pleasure of speaking to lately.
Alex Burrows thinks Smid sucker punch was a "pretty good thing"
I can't actively hope for anyone to be injured ... even a puke like Burrows . But when it does finally come around for him I sincerely hope Sportsnet is kind enough to drop by the Oilers locker room for reactions .
