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11-15-2010, 12:21 PM
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Tom Gilbert + for Commodore and MacKenzie

What would the + need to be to pick up these two from the Blue Jackets?

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11-15-2010, 12:28 PM
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3rd rounder and it's a done deal.

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That's what I was thinking too. Would the fact that the blue jackets gain actual dollars in the trade cause an issue with the trade? Or would the ~300k cap relief be more of an added bonus.

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Jackets could figure out the dough long-term.

TW - this move could result in a possible follow-up that I think would make you very happy. IMO Gilbert makes Tyutin expendable - and I like Toots.

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Jackets could figure out the dough long-term.

TW - this move could result in a possible follow-up that I think would make you very happy. IMO Gilbert makes Tyutin expendable - and I like Toots.
From what I've heard, isn't Tyutin's defense a lot better than Gilbert's? I guess from reading HFBoards it seems that Gilbert is a better version of Stralman.

I could be waaay off here. I'd do the deal regardless.

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11-15-2010, 01:58 PM
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Crap, I got mildly excited for a second until I saw the word proposal.

I was like "suckers" and then I realized I was the sucker.

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if we're comparing his defense to Tyutin and Strahlman...I'll pass...

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Don't need to add anything IMO, but if you want to, well... sure!

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A Brief History of Jf's Opinion on the Subject:

2007: "We need a star-shutdown defenseman."
2008: "We need a star-shutdown defenseman."
2009: "We need a star-shutdown defenseman."
2010: "We need a star-shutdown defenseman."

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if we're comparing his defense to Tyutin and Strahlman...I'll pass...
It's hard to pass on anyone's defense when comparing them to Stralman... :p

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In the last game, Tyutin turned it over to the Av's five times in our zone. I counted them. Wonderful passes directly to guys wearing Av's jerseys.

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if we're comparing his defense to Tyutin and Strahlman...I'll pass...
I can see how his defense would be a concern, Tyutin blows, and we know Stralman's deficencies. My thinking was to collect an asset for a guy who's our 7th defenseman sitting in the press box every night.
Gilbert might be a guy who needs a change of scenary to re-energize himself. It worked for Moreau, we could strike gold twice maybe??

Basically, in a nutshell, I'm tired of watching Tyutin play hockey, Klesla get beat easily, and Stralman looking lost.



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In the last game, Tyutin turned it over to the Av's five times in our zone. I counted them. Wonderful passes directly to guys wearing Av's jerseys.

I've been saying this for awhile, Fedor flat out sucks. and this year people are starting to agree with me. He had one above average year, our playoff year, and has been horrible ever since.

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In the last game, Tyutin turned it over to the Av's five times in our zone. I counted them. Wonderful passes directly to guys wearing Av's jerseys.
True story?

Glad to know you are there looking for it and counting each time it happens. Keep up the good work and send an email to Scott while you are at it. I'm sure he's unaware of of all Tyutin's unforced errors.

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I've been saying this for awhile, Fedor flat out sucks. and this year people are starting to agree with me. He had one above average year, our playoff year, and has been horrible ever since.
Oh please. You dual boxing and talking to yourself? This board has been bashing Tyutin for the last 3 years.... You had a cult following last year. It was their favorite past time around here, right after Fire Hitch "discussion".

Seriously, you don't like him. Fine. But don't try and sell that you are some lone voice in the wilderness.

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I can see how his defense would be a concern, Tyutin blows, and we know Stralman's deficencies. My thinking was to collect an asset for a guy who's our 7th defenseman sitting in the press box every night.
Gilbert might be a guy who needs a change of scenary to re-energize himself. It worked for Moreau, we could strike gold twice maybe??

Basically, in a nutshell, I'm tired of watching Tyutin play hockey, Klesla get beat easily, and Stralman looking lost.
i was with you until the klesla comment, i mean he's only among the leaders in the league in +/-

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I can see how his defense would be a concern, Tyutin blows, and we know Stralman's deficencies. My thinking was to collect an asset for a guy who's our 7th defenseman sitting in the press box every night.
Gilbert might be a guy who needs a change of scenary to re-energize himself. It worked for Moreau, we could strike gold twice maybe??

Basically, in a nutshell, I'm tired of watching Tyutin play hockey, Klesla get beat easily, and Stralman looking lost.

I've been saying this for awhile, Fedor flat out sucks. and this year people are starting to agree with me. He had one above average year, our playoff year, and has been horrible ever since.
I wouldn't say "flat out sucks."
I would just say, "Not a first or possibly even a second pair defensemen."

Both he and Strawman seem to take games off.
Strawman looked horrific against the whoever it was we last played.
He plays in a daze too often.

If we had a SHUTDOWN DEFENDER (see my post history on this subject), we could tolerate lesser talent.

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I wouldn't say "flat out sucks."
I would just say, "Not a first or possibly even a second pair defensemen."

Both he and Strawman seem to take games off.
Strawman looked horrific against the whoever it was we last played.
He plays in a daze too often.

If we had a SHUTDOWN DEFENDER (see my post history on this subject), we could tolerate lesser talent.
Since this is turning into the "State your opinion on Tyutin" thread, my opinion is this: He's terrible with the puck. Like, really, really bad. He's very uncomfortable moving it, touching it, passing it, etc. Seriously no better than AHL puck skills. BUT he shoots OK, and positionally he's sound. Can be an asset on the PK and PP. But usually, he's not. He can often stop the rush, but then gets into trouble when he gains control of the puck, as he has absolutely no idea what to do next. Scares me to death on a nightly basis.

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I can see how his defense would be a concern, Tyutin blows, and we know Stralman's deficencies. My thinking was to collect an asset for a guy who's our 7th defenseman sitting in the press box every night.
Gilbert might be a guy who needs a change of scenary to re-energize himself. It worked for Moreau, we could strike gold twice maybe??

Basically, in a nutshell, I'm tired of watching Tyutin play hockey, Klesla get beat easily, and Stralman looking lost.
So what about Russell not skating, and being weak on the puck? What about Methot's error's?

Everyone makes mistakes at times. You think the Caps are saying "We need to trade Ovie, because he loses the puck some times" Nope.

You think the Pens are saying "Lets give up Crosby, because he doesn't connect on EVERY pass." Nope.

You need to understand, not everything is perfect all the time. Tyutin is one of the better defenders on this team. Can he make turnovers, sure..but so does every other defender on this team, and in this league. It is just the nature of the sport.




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I've been saying this for awhile, Fedor flat out sucks. and this year people are starting to agree with me. He had one above average year, our playoff year, and has been horrible ever since.
HA. People were on that bandwagon last year with you, and yet he is still out there. If he sucked so incredibly bad, and since we are so deep at defense, why wouldn't he be traded? Why wouldn't he be burried in Springfield?

If he sucks so bad, why isn't anyone in this organization trying to move him? I know why, because he doesn't suck. He gets victimized, because he made a bad turnover that lead to a goal... It happens.

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TW is flat out wrong about Klesla. The weakest links on the CBJ blueline are (in order):
1. Stralman - we're supposed to excuse his horrible defensive lapses because he has a good shot from the blueline, but then he never shoots!
2. Commodore - there's a reason why he rarely sticks with a club longer than his initial contract. Funny how bad luck just seems to follow him around. He not our worst defenseman, but certainly not our best. He's just the highest paid, so that makes him our worst value.
3. Tyutin - there's a reason why the NYR traded him. I agree that his best play for the CBJ was in our playoff year, but not seen since.

Kudos to Methot for not even making this list. If GMSH ever gets serious about upgrading the defense, here's where to start.

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Since this is turning into the "State your opinion on Tyutin" thread, my opinion is this: He's terrible with the puck. Like, really, really bad. He's very uncomfortable moving it, touching it, passing it, etc. Seriously no better than AHL puck skills. BUT he shoots OK, and positionally he's sound. Can be an asset on the PK and PP. But usually, he's not. He can often stop the rush, but then gets into trouble when he gains control of the puck, as he has absolutely no idea what to do next. Scares me to death on a nightly basis.
Seriously? He has lead up ice rushes several times. I don't know where you get the feeling he is uncomfortable with the puck. He can move with the puck pretty well.

He can go into corners and win you board battles...something no one else on this defense can seem to do. He is good on his skates, and very rarely falls. He is always sidestepping huge hits, with the puck mind you, and doing a damn good job. You can't fault the guy for trying to breakout of the zone with a long pass, and the person receiving the pass won't even skate to the puck.

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TW is flat out wrong about Klesla. The weakest links on the CBJ blueline are (in order):
1. Stralman - we're supposed to excuse his horrible defensive lapses because he has a good shot from the blueline, but then he never shoots!
2. Commodore - there's a reason why he rarely sticks with a club longer than his initial contract. Funny how bad luck just seems to follow him around. He not our worst defenseman, but certainly not our best. He's just the highest paid, so that makes him our worst value.
3. Tyutin - there's a reason why the NYR traded him. I agree that his best play for the CBJ was in our playoff year, but not seen since.

Kudos to Methot for not even making this list. If GMSH ever gets serious about upgrading the defense, here's where to start.
The reason they traded him, is they had Wade Redden, who they thought was going to lead them to the promise land defensively, and they needed someone who could score and put points up. The CBJ wanted to get rid of a 'problem' and the dollars worked out.

Most people I have heard from the NYR organization have nothing but highest marks to say about Tyutin, and they were sad to see him leave.

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3. Tyutin - there's a reason why the NYR traded him. I agree that his best play for the CBJ was in our playoff year, but not seen since.
I hate those lost 30+ point seasons from those invisible D-Men.

As the poster pointed out above, what your implying is not why Tyutin was moved. I will never understand the mass hate for this guy.

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I hate those lost 30+ point seasons from those invisible D-Men.

As the poster pointed out above, what your implying is not why Tyutin was moved. I will never understand the mass hate for this guy.
Because it is easier to blame the Russian guy than to see the problems with Russell, Klesla, and Stralman.

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Because it is easier to blame the Russian guy than to see the problems with Russell, Klesla, and Stralman.
You were doing just fine with your defense of Tyutin until you resorted to implying that any criticism of his play was based on prejudice against Russians. Not necessary.

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You were doing just fine with your defense of Tyutin until you resorted to implying that any criticism of his play was based on prejudice against Russians. Not necessary.
I guess you didn't hint my sarcasm. It was very sarcastic, based off all the hate the CBJ Fans have shown to Nik Fil-A, and Nik Z. I picked the common denominator and went with it.

Pardon my sarcasm, and carry on.

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