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11-15-2010, 02:53 PM
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this is BS because to me it looks like Fraser grabs Dubi first.

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11-15-2010, 03:11 PM
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Oh well, it's for a meaningless amount of money. I doubt anybody's going to lose sleep over it.

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11-15-2010, 03:16 PM
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Edmonton had 8 guys on the ice. Someone came off the damn bench. How was nobody on their side not fined??

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11-15-2010, 03:18 PM
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Edmonton had 8 guys on the ice. Someone came off the damn bench. How was nobody on their side not fined??
Because Colin Campbell remains an incompetent jackass?

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11-15-2010, 03:28 PM
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I watched the replay on the hockeyfights.com video
http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/98763

Look at about 1:48

fraser (16) is already involved with eminger (44). It's hard to tell whether fraser instigated or dubi did, but fraser WAS already paired up with someone when dubi got involved. (It looks like dubi stuck his arm out first though)

That probably is worthy of a fine, but if they're fining people there's definitely others who should be fined as well.

But as we all know, there's very little logic in how NHL discipline works.

Oh well, like I said, nobody's going to be crying over the measly fine that he got so it's not a big deal at all.

It's funny how one of the players LEAST involved in the brawl is the only one who gets fined.

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11-15-2010, 03:47 PM
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I watched the replay on the hockeyfights.com video
http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/98763

Look at about 1:48

fraser (16) is already involved with eminger (44). It's hard to tell whether fraser instigated or dubi did, but fraser WAS already paired up with someone when dubi got involved. (It looks like dubi stuck his arm out first though)

That probably is worthy of a fine, but if they're fining people there's definitely others who should be fined as well.

But as we all know, there's very little logic in how NHL discipline works.

Oh well, like I said, nobody's going to be crying over the measly fine that he got so it's not a big deal at all.

It's funny how one of the players LEAST involved in the brawl is the only one who gets fined.
I think Dubi does reach out for Fraser and therefore deserves the fine. As for the Oilers having 8 guys on the ice including one who wasn't on the ice originally, chasing Avery is another story. At 2:01 you get a clear view of all of the players on the ice. It's a head scratcher why Dubi is the only one being singled out here.

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11-15-2010, 03:54 PM
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I think Dubi does reach out for Fraser and therefore deserves the fine. As for the Oilers having 8 guys on the ice including one who wasn't on the ice originally, chasing Avery is another story. At 2:01 you get a clear view of all of the players on the ice. It's a head scratcher why Dubi is the only one being singled out here.
Yeah... like i said, dubi did do something that's fineworthy.. but so did a bunch of other players. (oilers players leaving the bench.. peckham going after avery while he's walking out, avery turning BACK after he started leaving, you could come up with all kinds of stuff that players on both sides did).

Don't try to apply logic to what NHL discipline does or you'll just drive yourself nuts.

I think the maximum they can fine a player for anyway is like a couple thousand bucks anyway. So it's not like it has ANY meaning at all.

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11-15-2010, 03:57 PM
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Oh give me a break, Bettman doesn't have it in for the Rangers, and the league doesn't have it in for the Rangers
Don't listen to him folks, he's part of the conspiracy. If you don't believe that the league has a clear and articuable reason to want one of their highest profile franchises in the league's biggest city to do poorly...well then you're just too damn rationale to be a Rangers fan.

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11-15-2010, 04:04 PM
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Don't listen to him folks, he's part of the conspiracy. If you don't believe that the league has a clear and articuable reason to want one of their highest profile franchises in the league's biggest city to do poorly...well then you're just too damn rationale to be a Rangers fan.
To be fair the NHL especially its offices are incompetent as sin. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't like Dolan or something so they go outta there way sometimes to rule against the franchise. That said I think it's just horrific incompetence and nothing further

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Good for Dubinsky. I have zero issue with what he did. The rest of the players should cover the tab for Dubs. Or make EC pay.

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11-15-2010, 04:10 PM
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Oh give me a break, Bettman doesn't have it in for the Rangers, and the league doesn't have it in for the Rangers

They only have it in for Debbies.

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11-15-2010, 04:11 PM
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Edmonton had 8 guys on the ice. Someone came off the damn bench. How was nobody on their side not fined??
they were in the middle of a line change. no one came off the bench to jump in.

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11-15-2010, 04:15 PM
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I watched the replay on the hockeyfights.com video
http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/98763

Look at about 1:48

fraser (16) is already involved with eminger (44). It's hard to tell whether fraser instigated or dubi did, but fraser WAS already paired up with someone when dubi got involved. (It looks like dubi stuck his arm out first though)

That probably is worthy of a fine, but if they're fining people there's definitely others who should be fined as well.

But as we all know, there's very little logic in how NHL discipline works.

Oh well, like I said, nobody's going to be crying over the measly fine that he got so it's not a big deal at all.

It's funny how one of the players LEAST involved in the brawl is the only one who gets fined.
indeed. comment withdrawn. There reason there were 8 Oilers on the ice (edit: actually it's only 7 - (unless you are counting Khabibulin) you can see one guy hops over the boards just and stuff gets started) was because there was a TV timeout and some guys already jumped on the ice for their shift change. you can see that Khabibulin is at the Oiler bench. it's possible they intentionally lingered about so they could get a swipe at Avery.

edit: Oilers on ice during Avery hit Eberle-Stortini-Fraser-Gilbert-Smid. Eberle gets off as the first fight starts. Whitney and Peckham get on as we go to TV commercial and both go after Avery. Boyle pairs up with Peckham. Stortini w/ Prust. Hemsky & Horcoff were on, possibly to talk to the refs. The two extra skaters largely don't get involved. It looks like Stortini is definitely lingering. He was on the ice, the Oilers are making a line change. Highly doubt Renney is planning to double shift Stortini w/ Hemsky and Horcoff. Fraser looks like he wants to go talk to the refs but U-turns when he sees Horcoff (who is the Edm Captain) skates into the circle of officials. Fraser then slowly heads to the bench but cuts to the scuffle when it breaks out. So Stortini is the only iffy guy in this situation IMO and that's hardly enough to make a case that would stand up against an NHLPA appeal. A warning is all they can do in this case.


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11-15-2010, 04:22 PM
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they were in the middle of a line change. no one came off the bench to jump in.
Question--are you allowed to make line changes at the same time that players are being escorted off the ice following a fight? I'm not sure but it seems kind of weird if that's allowable. Can't they wait until the combatants depart?

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they were in the middle of a line change. no one came off the bench to jump in.
I'm sorry but you have 8 guys on the ice when the other team has 5. Explain that one to me.

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11-15-2010, 04:24 PM
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Colin Campbell is too busy trying to fire refs who don't advance his son's career to care about this stuff. The Oilers tried to get rough and the Rangers fired back and Edmonton got the worst of it. I'm ok with the fine.

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11-15-2010, 04:32 PM
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Question--are you allowed to make line changes at the same time that players are being escorted off the ice following a fight? I'm not sure but it seems kind of weird if that's allowable. Can't they wait until the combatants depart?
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I'm sorry but you have 8 guys on the ice when the other team has 5. Explain that one to me.
yeah, they should have waited. but after Avery was escorted out, the Rangers still had 5 skaters on the ice, that tells me that a Ranger came off the bench as well. the Oilers just made that mistake 3 times.

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11-15-2010, 04:39 PM
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Good for Dubinsky. I have zero issue with what he did. The rest of the players should cover the tab for Dubs. Or make EC pay.
I was just gonna say, the team should pay for it, maybe drury with all his hard earned money, haha.

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11-15-2010, 04:46 PM
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yeah, they should have waited. but after Avery was escorted out, the Rangers still had 5 skaters on the ice, that tells me that a Ranger came off the bench as well. the Oilers just made that mistake 3 times.
I'm gonna say that Callahan must have come off the bench to talk to the refs much like Horcoff and Hemsky are on the ice to talk to the refs so no foul there.

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False.

Callahan, Boyle, Eminger, MDZ were the only ones on the ice. Avery is sent off.
Prust.

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11-15-2010, 04:49 PM
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A justified fine- and should be for a couple other Rangers as well. I saw a few grab players on the ice. And those on the ice that started should be fined as well.
However, the coach failed to keep his players on the bench from getting involved- maybe he should tell them to sit back down and stay out of it.

As for Avery- he's an obnoxious little punk who I can't wait for someone to send him away for a while. But, while his attack on Smid was a bit deceptive- it wasn't siomething fo rthe league to address. Smid needs to not try to start crap if he isn't going to do anything.

I did find it funny how when Avary attacked, he(Smid) tried to run away

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11-15-2010, 05:01 PM
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What about Peckham and Fraser? Should've been more guys than just Dubi.

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I was just gonna say, the team should pay for it, maybe drury with all his hard earned money, haha.
Agreed, though I'm 99% sure that the CBA prohibits the teams from picking up the tabs for players in these instances. In the league's eyes, that's akin to the team endorsing the behavior.

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11-15-2010, 05:51 PM
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They had to. There is the rule banning Dubi's actions. No rules against what Avery did, though, once the gloves came off Smid hands.
Rules like that go away when you are being threatened. There are rules against touching fans but nothing happened to Domi when a fan swung at him and fell into the box, after which Domi roughed him up a bit. What's better is Domi started it with his water bottle stuff.

I'd be ok with Dubi getting fined if Frasier got something too. And the whole deal stinks when Whitney lit the powder keg by approaching Avery against the official's protests and Peckham left the bench area to chase Avery down the runway.

There is something to be said to the fact that Dubinsky was punished the least out of that sequence, only a misconduct but not gamers like the rest. I think the refs gave him the pims to get him out of a game that could lose control.

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Dubinsky should ask for a receipt and hang it on the locker room wall like a trophy.

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