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11-17-2010, 04:29 AM
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If Landeskog was a centre, I'd be so much happier. I just have a feeling we're going to be picking between 4-6 this year, and he would be my number one...if he was a centre. His leadership skills are pretty crazy, and the publicity alone based solely around his accent, or lack of, would be pretty funny. Murphy is my pick though. I know a shut-down defensemen is what we need, but an offensively sound defensemen is what I want. You never know, with Plante and Peckham in our system, we could have our answer for those big/mean shut down defencemen we've been asking for all these years.

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11-17-2010, 04:31 AM
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Id look to trade pick for #5 or #6 (and take Rask) and get a extra 2nd round pick

WE NEED CENTER, period.

Nothing else will do, we can build defence corp through later rounds
We need 1-2D, comma. We need a 1C, period. We need either. The best player available in the first round. Very simple prophecy.

You're looking to trade down for the fifth or sixth selection?

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11-17-2010, 04:35 AM
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If Landeskog was a centre, I'd be so much happier. I just have a feeling we're going to be picking between 4-6 this year, and he would be my number one...if he was a centre. His leadership skills are pretty crazy, and the publicity alone based solely around his accent, or lack of, would be pretty funny. Murphy is my pick though. I know a shut-down defensemen is what we need, but an offensively sound defensemen is what I want. You never know, with Plante and Peckham in our system, we could have our answer for those big/mean shut down defencemen we've been asking for all these years.
I think an offense is harder to teach to defensively minded defence than defence is to offensively gifted d-men personally. Offensive intelligence and skill are transferable into the d-zone for an O-defenceman based on the premise of preventing their own tendencies offensively and what they would do to score. It's really second nature that sits in high IQ players. It's natural but improvement requires a willingness to do such instead of concealing their weakness' with their strength. Which a lot of d-men don't take the time to do.

I agree with what you said. Take the offensive d-man first. Larsson or Murphy over the center or the winger respectively.

This is now but things may change in the next few months as this integral year unfolds.


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11-17-2010, 11:31 AM
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I appreciate Hopkins skill and playing style. But I still think the Couturier's and Larsson's are harder to find. I'm suprised RNH didn't drop to third.
as am i ... i'm somewhat surprised he didn't drop farther actually... for a guy who is supposed to be the best pure offensive guy in the draft, his numbers have been very underwhelming in the WHL this year.... 5 goals in 22 games is pretty bad, puts him on pace for a roughly 15 goal season, yikes... not exactly top-3 talent he's displaying

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11-17-2010, 11:44 AM
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as am i ... i'm somewhat surprised he didn't drop farther actually... for a guy who is supposed to be the best pure offensive guy in the draft, his numbers have been very underwhelming in the WHL this year.... 5 goals in 22 games is pretty bad, puts him on pace for a roughly 15 goal season, yikes... not exactly top-3 talent he's displaying
Ive heard his production has taken a hit, but also the scouts love how the guy plays, they are just raving about it

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11-17-2010, 12:18 PM
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Originally I thought this draft was shaping up to be similar to the 2009 Draft
Tavares - Couturier
Hedman - Larsson
RNH - Duchene

But I think it has the potential to be similar to the 2006 draft
Johnson - Larsson
Staal - Couturier
Toews - Landeskog
Backstrom - RNH

*note: not player expectation/potential, but in 2009 having a strong 1-2-3 vs in 2006 all top 4 players being relatively close and interchangeable.

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11-17-2010, 01:36 PM
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Couturier is the centreman that we should go after. He is a huge body and that is what this teams need. In 3 years he will develop to the no. 1 centreman that we need. If we can get a 2nd 1st round pick and get Musil we would be fixing two problems in one draft.

I also think that players like Penner and Cogs will be gone this year and hopefully getting us some young dmen prospects.

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11-17-2010, 01:50 PM
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as am i ... i'm somewhat surprised he didn't drop farther actually... for a guy who is supposed to be the best pure offensive guy in the draft, his numbers have been very underwhelming in the WHL this year.... 5 goals in 22 games is pretty bad, puts him on pace for a roughly 15 goal season, yikes... not exactly top-3 talent he's displaying
Yeah apparently he's been displaying more of a pass first distribution playing style lately. I think a lot of his projections right now are based on his flashes of raw skill. He has a lot of filling in, strength building, as well as an all around game to add to his repertoire.

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11-17-2010, 02:22 PM
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Ive heard his production has taken a hit, but also the scouts love how the guy plays, they are just raving about it
well i haven't seen him play, so i can't comment on that personally... it would be interesting to hear what they like so much, because he's certainly not piling up the points by any means.... maybe he's getting a crap-load of chances every game and just isn't getting any puck-luck?

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11-17-2010, 02:25 PM
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Yeah apparently he's been displaying more of a pass first distribution playing style lately. I think a lot of his projections right now are based on his flashes of raw skill. He has a lot of filling in, strength building, as well as an all around game to add to his repertoire.
this type of description screams "kyle turris" to me, and that's not a good thing

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11-17-2010, 02:58 PM
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this type of description screams "kyle turris" to me, and that's not a good thing
Exactly what I've been saying for the last month or so. I would almost bet CSS has him at one by the end of the year. They seem almost identical in playing style, size, position and skillset. He will require a fair bit of patience imo.

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11-17-2010, 05:42 PM
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Originally I thought this draft was shaping up to be similar to the 2009 Draft
Tavares - Couturier
Hedman - Larsson
RNH - Duchene

But I think it has the potential to be similar to the 2006 draft
Johnson - Larsson
Staal - Couturier
Toews - Landeskog
Backstrom - RNH

*note: not player expectation/potential, but in 2009 having a strong 1-2-3 vs in 2006 all top 4 players being relatively close and interchangeable.
I can see the similarities .

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