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11-18-2010, 12:35 PM
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Shea Weber to Habs (0ffseason)

Considering that the habs already have many prospects would it be a good idea to Offer Sheet him ? I don't know if he wants to stay in Nashville but it would be useful to have him as our #1 D if Markov does not resign. And even if he does we have the money to go get him ? What do you guys think of this ?

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I think Shea Weber is a pipe dream... all 30 teams, including Nashville want this guy...

No chance Habs get him... probably stays in Nashville... he is their Captain after all.

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Considering he already makes $4.5M, it means the minimum compensation you'd give up would be a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick, and more likely he would fall into the two 1st, one 2nd, and one 3rd round pick bracket.

You probably have the cap space if Markov and/or Hammer aren't resigned.

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He'll be re-signed.

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Weber in Montreal is a pipe dream.... cause he's heading to New Jersey at the draft for Parise + Corrente/Eckford.

Book it

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Are you willing to give up 4 first round picks as the compensation to signing Weber to an offer sheet?

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Are you willing to give up 4 first round picks as the compensation to signing Weber to an offer sheet?
Yeah, we suck at drafting first round anyways..

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Appropriate that you spelled off-season with a zero, because there's a zero percent chance that he's moved.

Also, if for some reason he was being moved, I think a few more teams would have a better offer than the Habs.

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Appropriate that you spelled off-season with a zero, because there' zero chance that he's moved.

Also, if for some reason he was being moved, I think a few more teams would have a better offer than the Habs.
Seeing that this thread is talking about an offer sheet, I'm curious to why you feel this way?

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Seeing that this thread is talking about an offer sheet, I'm curious to why you feel this way?
RFA's don't have to be gotten via offer sheets (well, they DO, but they're rights can be had otherwise. The Kessel trade for example). If he was on the market, I would bet that Nashville would rather have established players than picks. That's all I'm saying.

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RFA's don't have to be gotten via offer sheets (well, they DO, but they're rights can be had otherwise. The Kessel trade for example). If he was on the market, I would bet that Nashville would rather have established players than picks. That's all I'm saying.
That is the point of an Offer Sheet is to give our picks for your player if you can't pay him the same amount. My proposal is not a traded it is an offer sheet. Read the title please.

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Considering that the habs already have many prospects would it be a good idea to Offer Sheet him ? I don't know if he wants to stay in Nashville but it would be useful to have him as our #1 D if Markov does not resign. And even if he does we have the money to go get him ? What do you guys think of this ?
I hope you are willing to massively overpay because anything under $7M and Nashville will match. You are going to have to offer him some serious money to get Nashville to walk away.

All signs point towards Nashville signing Weber. Hopefully it gets done soon so these Weber proposals can stop

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Nashville will move heaven and earth to keep Weber. Its a pipe dream at this point. Although given Montreal's recent first round draft history, I wouldn't be that opposed to the idea of an offer sheet, even if it is 4 first rounders.

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5y/$7.72M per, would be 2 1st+ 2nd + 3rd

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Are you willing to give up 4 first round picks as the compensation to signing Weber to an offer sheet?
I wouldn't. Well, not so much because of the 4 1st round picks, however. Last year that bracket slid up to $7,729,907. I mean, everybody likes Shea Weber. But the Habs have a lot of big contracts already, and even though we may be able to project a lot of cap space being available, I'd try to spend it more conservatively. $8M per, likely on a very long-term deal, is just not a contract I would touch. Never mind the 4 1st rounders.

It would also probably mean Markov was being let go. I don't know what effect his latest injury will have on him longterm or on his next contract. But I really really really believe we can sign him for a lot less than $8M per. We can build a better team with other signings and keeping our 4 1st rounders, I believe. Nothing against Weber in that. If Nashville has the cash to match at the lower brackets, then no team is going to get a sniff at Weber.

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I hope you are willing to massively overpay because anything under $7M and Nashville will match. You are going to have to offer him some serious money to get Nashville to walk away.

All signs point towards Nashville signing Weber. Hopefully it gets done soon so these Weber proposals can stop
Will the Preds match a life time front loaded deal? like 10 years 70 million? that's a lot of money for the Preds.

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Nashville would match unless it was in the four firsts bracket, and maybe even then. Either way, no one is going to be able to steal him away without paying through the nose, in money and picks.

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Financially, Nashville will have the cash to sign Weber.

Currently Nashville is paying Weber $4.5 million. With Sullivan's expiring contract that's an additional 3.75 million which bring the kitty up to 8.25 million dollars. If you want to pay more than that in an offer sheet go for it. Nashville will gleefully take the 4 1st round picks, resign Suter, and move up Blum, Ellis, maybe Josi, and sign Ekholm to fill out the prospect roster.

It also depends on what team makes the offer sheet. If it's a central rival or a team who has a GM who isn't stupid, match. If it's a team who lives in the basement like a computer geek with his parents then nah. (Sorry if that's too personaly for some of you....)

(Note for those HFers who are going ZOMG! 4 1sts! That's spread out over 4 years unless the team makes a deal to get an extra first. So it's really the right to have 2 1st in the next 4 years. One of which happens to be a really crappy draft year.)

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Will the Preds match a life time front loaded deal? like 10 years 70 million? that's a lot of money for the Preds.
I'd say yes. Even if it's frontloaded.

People. This is SHEA MOTHER****ING WEBER. They'll match.

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Will the Preds match a life time front loaded deal? like 10 years 70 million? that's a lot of money for the Preds.
I am sorry, but this got me thinking...

Would this be allowed?? could big market teams potentially poach star players??

ie- offer Shea Weber 5 years at 35 million with the first 3 years paying him 10, 9, 8 million...

No chance ANY small market team would want to shell out 27 million dollars for a player in 3 years...

Interesting tactic we have yet to see be used... curious if it would work...

Send a offer sheet that would financially strap a small market team if they chose to accept it...

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I wouldn't. Well, not so much because of the 4 1st round picks, however. Last year that bracket slid up to $7,729,907. I mean, everybody likes Shea Weber. But the Habs have a lot of big contracts already, and even though we may be able to project a lot of cap space being available, I'd try to spend it more conservatively. $8M per, likely on a very long-term deal, is just not a contract I would touch. Never mind the 4 1st rounders.

It would also probably mean Markov was being let go. I don't know what effect his latest injury will have on him longterm or on his next contract. But I really really really believe we can sign him for a lot less than $8M per. We can build a better team with other signings and keeping our 4 1st rounders, I believe. Nothing against Weber in that. If Nashville has the cash to match at the lower brackets, then no team is going to get a sniff at Weber.
If it's the Habs I wonder what would happen if the Preds take 4 1st from Montreal and then sign Markov for cheaper than Weber and re-sign Suter?

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Financially, Nashville will have the cash to sign Weber.

Currently Nashville is paying Weber $4.5 million. With Sullivan's expiring contract that's an additional 3.75 million which bring the kitty up to 8.25 million dollars. If you want to pay more than that in an offer sheet go for it. Nashville will gleefully take the 4 1st round picks, resign Suter, and move up Blum, Ellis, maybe Josi, and sign Ekholm to fill out the prospect roster.

It also depends on what team makes the offer sheet. If it's a central rival or a team who has a GM who isn't stupid, match. If it's a team who lives in the basement like a computer geek with his parents then nah. (Sorry if that's too personaly for some of you....)

(Note for those HFers who are going ZOMG! 4 1sts! That's spread out over 4 years unless the team makes a deal to get an extra first. So it's really the right to have 2 1st in the next 4 years. One of which happens to be a really crappy draft year.)
You have to subtract the cost of Sullivan's replacement. Even if its an ELC, that's still bringing that down to ~$7.6 (which is in the 2 1st, +2nd, +3rd bracket). I don't doubt that you can easily go back to the 4 1st bracket (both in terms of cap and actual cash), but Sullivan alone isn't how you do that.

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RFA's don't have to be gotten via offer sheets (well, they DO, but they're rights can be had otherwise. The Kessel trade for example). If he was on the market, I would bet that Nashville would rather have established players than picks. That's all I'm saying.
You'd have to factor in they don't take contracts bigger than 4.5 per, which would make the four firsts more ideal for them than a roster player with a big salary.

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I am sorry, but this got me thinking...

Would this be allowed?? could big market teams potentially poach star players??

ie- offer Shea Weber 5 years at 35 million with the first 3 years paying him 10, 9, 8 million...

No chance ANY small market team would want to shell out 27 million dollars for a player in 3 years...

Interesting tactic we have yet to see be used... curious if it would work...

Send a offer sheet that would financially strap a small market team if they chose to accept it...
a) If I recall a contract can not drop that significantly from one year to another year as per the CBA.

b) What do you think, that Nashville that is paying $4.5 million per year now can not afford a front loaded deal as long as it averages to a reasonable amount. What they would lose at the gate would more than make up for matching. And owners are all millionaires (some billionaires). None are so poor that they can not match this if forced to.

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I would defenitly give a 10 years/ 7.5M$ year to shea weber....even for 4 1st.

Hell, if your going to offer this amount to weber, its gives two 1st, one 2nd and one 3rd.

Just call nashville and tell them your about to offer sheet weber for this amount, and tell them you can trade them 3 1st for the rights...if they're not going to match, they'll probably take it...then you resign him for lower...lol

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