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01-04-2011, 04:23 PM
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I wonder how much the WJC hurt his draft status for this year? He was quite mediocre, and showed some decent skills but nothing worthy of 1st round consideration IMO.

We will likely see him again at the U-18 championships that are held in mid april. Hopefully he will continue to play well in the SM-Liiga and have a great tournament at the U-18.

I was at the Slovakia - Finland game and saw him play live. He is a good skater and is hard to move around the front of the net due to his size. He wasn't as physical as I thought he would be though, this is something he will need to work on in the coming months/years.

I still see good things in the future for this kid!
IMO Armia is a certain 1st rounder (top-20), barring any major injury. For example Mikko Koivu went 6th overall, although not being much better during his first WJC’s than Armia. It’s all about potential and Armia has a lot of it. No sense comparing him to established players like Couturier or Larsson who are ahead in development both physically and mentally, and are also a lot more experienced. Armia is still learning a lot and IMO his game improved as the tournament went along.

Overall Armia played well, pretty much the same way that he plays in SM-liiga, he just didn’t have any luck in scoring situations (two disallowed goals and a dozen other quality scoring chances). The way that his line played was slightly different compared to SM-liiga, which lead to Armia being more on the background, and forced him to take more defensive responsibilities. Also Finland didn’t utilize Armia the best way possible during the power play, the older players wanted to be on the spotlight.

Armia’s skating is improving all the time and it’s not a clear weakness anymore. It’s clear that more thrust is required, but I think that it will improve once his conditioning gets better. IMO Armia had a good physical presence during the tournament, considering that he was a 17 year old among mostly 18 and 19 year old players. Wait until you see him play against kids of his own age at the WU18C’s, defensemen will have a hard time containing him.

Armia is one of the top prospects in this year’s draft and he’s being scouted rigorously, one tournament won’t chance his status substantially. There are several scouts watching his every game in Finland.

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01-04-2011, 06:06 PM
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IMO Armia is a certain 1st rounder (top-20), barring any major injury. For example Mikko Koivu went 6th overall, although not being much better during his first WJC’s than Armia. It’s all about potential and Armia has a lot of it. No sense comparing him to established players like Couturier or Larsson who are ahead in development both physically and mentally, and are also a lot more experienced. Armia is still learning a lot and IMO his game improved as the tournament went along.

Overall Armia played well, pretty much the same way that he plays in SM-liiga, he just didn’t have any luck in scoring situations (two disallowed goals and a dozen other quality scoring chances). The way that his line played was slightly different compared to SM-liiga, which lead to Armia being more on the background, and forced him to take more defensive responsibilities. Also Finland didn’t utilize Armia the best way possible during the power play, the older players wanted to be on the spotlight.

Armia’s skating is improving all the time and it’s not a clear weakness anymore. It’s clear that more thrust is required, but I think that it will improve once his conditioning gets better. IMO Armia had a good physical presence during the tournament, considering that he was a 17 year old among mostly 18 and 19 year old players. Wait until you see him play against kids of his own age at the WU18C’s, defensemen will have a hard time containing him.

Armia is one of the top prospects in this year’s draft and he’s being scouted rigorously, one tournament won’t chance his status substantially. There are several scouts watching his every game in Finland.
Excellent analysis as always Tormentor. Thank you!

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01-10-2011, 03:25 PM
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Expected, but cool.

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Huh! First game after disappointed WJC Armia scores!

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Second game after WJC. 7 minutes played and Armia scores a goal again.

Armia on fire!

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Second game after WJC. 7 minutes played and Armia scores a goal again.

Armia on fire!
Weird how he seems more relaxed playing at home with the men. I saw him at the WJC (was at the Slovakia game), and he looked somewhat apprehensive and nervous.

Hopefully we will see what he is really capable of at the U-18's in a few months time.

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01-17-2011, 03:41 PM
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Hopefully we will see what he is really capable of at the U-18's in a few months time.
I really hope not! That means that Ässät has been dropped out from semifinals.

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01-18-2011, 01:09 PM
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Wuut! Today game winning goal against Jokerit. Result was 1-2 for Ässät

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01-19-2011, 06:44 PM
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33gp 15g+7a=22p

All the goals so far:


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01-20-2011, 05:02 AM
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33gp 15g+7a=22p

All the goals so far:

Nice one. Thanks! LOL after 3:35 mark

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Where Armia is ranked mid-season:

ISS 11.
McKenzie 15.
The Hockey News 9.

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Armia have one SM-liiga record now. Most power play goals scored by rookie! Armia have 9 and more coming...

Btw. Teemu Selänne had 8 power play goals his rookie season 1990-1991. Teemu was drafted 1988 so he was older than Armia now.


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01-20-2011, 11:58 AM
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Just scored fourth goal after wjc! Radio guy said it was awesome goal.

Now he ties club record most goals by rookie.

Four-game-goal-streak. Armia is hot

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No competition for the Rookie of the year award then

Maybe Donskoi could have been right there with Armia if Kärpät wouldn't be so miserable this season.

Good luck Joel and Ässät!

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Pretty nice goal from Joel against Pelicans

Still dont understand why he was that "bad" in WJC, this is higher level, against men!

Go Armia!

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Still dont understand why he was that "bad" in WJC, this is higher level, against men!
Too much pressure, he came out from nowhere this season. I mean nobody knew him before this season, except some people from Pori, and suddenly he is the next Selänne who everyone in the country has been waiting for!

I hope all the best for Ässät and Armia in the play-offs since it seems that Kärpät and our tridente of talent (Donskoi-Salomäki-Junttila) wont be playing much longer this season...

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01-21-2011, 12:31 AM
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Still dont understand why he was that "bad" in WJC, this is higher level, against men!
The biggest factor IMO was the "line", which just didn't work one bit in the WJC. Plus other things like his age and the slightly more fast paste probably had something to with the poor stats. Overall not that bad of a tournament for him if you take all the factors into account.

Edit. The expectations for an inexperienced 17 year old were also way too big (well yeah even I wanted him to score atleast a goal or two, so a slight disappointment there) even though he was doing fine in SM-liiga.


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No competition for the Rookie of the year award then
Actually there is competition. I guess Armia is now in second place in rookie race. Teemu Pulkkinen leads that.

Last year there were MG vs. Vatanen. It was pretty fifty-fifty, Granlund won that.

Pulkkinen vs. Armia is also good battle. Pulkkinen scores points (12+22) and is 11th in points. But Armia is shoot first guy (16+7) and is 8th in goals. Armia missed 9 games and Pulu missed 5 games because national team.

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Actually there is competition. I guess Armia is now in second place in rookie race. Teemu Pulkkinen leads that.

Last year there were MG vs. Vatanen*. It was pretty fifty-fifty, Granlund won that.
* vs. Rynnäs

Pulkkinen has been producing points at a solid pace and it's really his to lose at this point even if Armia keeps plaing as good as he has lately.

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Uuh 10 minutes played and he scores.

2 games pointless and now BOOM.

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Don't forget The Scouting Report ranked Armia 9th


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* vs. Rynnäs

Pulkkinen has been producing points at a solid pace and it's really his to lose at this point even if Armia keeps plaing as good as he has lately.


Sorry, but Granlund and Vatanen were miles ahead of Rynnäs in the rookie race. He had no change to win it.

Ps. IMO Vatanen and Granlund should have shared the award, they were dead even in my eyes. Shame for Vatanen, If he would have played his rookie season a year earlier, he would have won the award with a landslide.


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Sorry, but Granlund and Vatanen were miles ahead of Rynnäs in the rookie race. He had no change to win it.

Ps. IMO Vatanen and Granlund should have shared the award, they were dead even in my eyes. Shame for Vatanen, If he would have played his rookie season a year earlier, he would have won the award with a landslide.
Well ok, in my eyes Rynnäs played very well. But yeah any rookie could have posted the best save% in SM-liiga in last year's Ässät playing over 30 games. But it's useless crying over spilled milk so whatever...

Ps. IMO awards should never, NEVER, be shared with two players even if the two should get it.

Edit. Oh and this Armia kid is going to some "U18 5 Nations Tournament" in Hradec Kralove, CZE (9.2.2011-13.2.2011).


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Armia makes the defender look like a potato 0:45 http://www.nelonen.fi/ohjelmat/sm-li...deo&vid=125451

Awesome goal!

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Edit. Oh and this Armia kid is going to some "U18 5 Nations Tournament" in Hradec Kralove, CZE (9.2.2011-13.2.2011).
Oujeah! He will not miss any SM-liiga games. Fun to see how he compete against other U18 kids.

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02-03-2011, 06:18 AM
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Oujeah! He will not miss any SM-liiga games. Fun to see how he compete against other U18
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Well he will not miss SM-liiga games, but he will not be going to that tournament after all and will be getting some rest and training in Pori. Not a bad decision since he obviously needs some rest as a youngster in a pretty tough league.

Source (in Finnish): http://www.satakunnankansa.fi/cs/Sat...lepoaikaa.html

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Playoffs
2 games pointless
1 game as healthy scratch
2 games BOOM BOOM 2+0

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so how many points/goals did he get in the normal season and playoffs ??

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