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11-20-2010, 12:04 AM
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Herb Cain won the scoring title and was only a second team all star at left wing that year. He was way down the Hart Trophy voting as well. Bill Cowley, his team mate was second in Hart voting that year. he wasn't ever looked at as being the best player on his team at any point, it is very different.

Marty has a Hart, everyone who has won that has went to the HHOF.
i know that Jagr is getting in but is Lindros?

I think he should but a lot of guys here think that he should not.

Also Tom Anderson won the Hart in 42 and isn't in the Hall and rightly so IMO.

Buddy O'Connor won in 48 and actually is in the Hall but not sure that he really should be.

Dido Chuck Rayner who won in 50 and is in the Hall with a 138-208-77 record in 428 games played.

Maybe the Hart isn't all that it is cracked up to be?

St. Louis is pretty deserving of his Hart IMO.

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11-20-2010, 12:42 AM
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Maybe the Hart isn't all that it is cracked up to be?
Of course it is, and it shows that most players who are good enough to win one, are going to get in the hall by the time they're through. If the point you're making is that it's not a guarantee, I agree - it's not.

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i know that Jagr is getting in but is Lindros?

I think he should but a lot of guys here think that he should not.

Also Tom Anderson won the Hart in 42 and isn't in the Hall and rightly so IMO.

Buddy O'Connor won in 48 and actually is in the Hall but not sure that he really should be.

Dido Chuck Rayner who won in 50 and is in the Hall with a 138-208-77 record in 428 games played.

Maybe the Hart isn't all that it is cracked up to be?

St. Louis is pretty deserving of his Hart IMO.
Oops my bad, I thought I read something to the effect that everyone that won the Hart in the past is in the HHOF and never bothered to check into it. Point taken,
But, I stand by my defense of St Louis

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I think St Louis is a lock and is making a case to be a first ballot HOFer IMO.

The guy has the awards; Hart, Art Ross, Cup and three all start team selections, plus he is racking up some nice point totals late in his career to complement that. If he continues his play this year, he could possibly be a first team all star on the wing, I donít think any four time all stars have not made it to the HHOF.
Rick Martin has 4 selections (2 first team, 2 second team) and he'll never get in. Leclair has 5 (2 1st team, 3 2nd team) and I wouldn't induct him. Kariya is a borderline guy with 5 (3 first team, 2 second team) and Carl Brewer (although on defense) has 4 selections. Throw in a controversial choice like Neely with 4 2nd team all-stars and yeah it is certainly not a lock to get into the HHOF that way.

But St. Louis will get in.

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i know that Jagr is getting in but is Lindros?

I think he should but a lot of guys here think that he should not.

Also Tom Anderson won the Hart in 42 and isn't in the Hall and rightly so IMO.

Buddy O'Connor won in 48 and actually is in the Hall but not sure that he really should be.

Dido Chuck Rayner who won in 50 and is in the Hall with a 138-208-77 record in 428 games played.

Maybe the Hart isn't all that it is cracked up to be?

St. Louis is pretty deserving of his Hart IMO.
Rayner had three 2nd team all-stars on some bad, bad teams. Plus he took a team to the final in Game 7 overtime who had no business being there. He's at the bottom tier of goalies, but he's fine in there.

But in the end there is only two guys (Anderson and Rollins) so the odds are stacked in any Hart Trophy winners favour. We're looking at a greater than 95% chance for a Hart trophy winner to get in the HHOF.

Lindros even if people begrudge him will likely get in. Sedin looks to be on the right path too. The only Hart winner not eligible who probably won't get in is Theodore so we might as well pencil him with Rollins and Anderson

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But in the end there is only two guys (Anderson and Rollins) so the odds are stacked in any Hart Trophy winners favour. We're looking at a greater than 95% chance for a Hart trophy winner to get in the HHOF.
95% if you go by seasons. Less than that if you go by winners.

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I think he will, anyone that watches the lightning on a regular basis knows how much he means to the franchise. The midget is way too good to be left out. He probably would have a 1000 points if a team gave him a legit chance to crack the line up.

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Right now I have him on the borderline. If he averages 80 points a season over the next 4 or 5 years then he makes it in.

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