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11-17-2010, 01:58 PM
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Deadline Deal in Light of the Carter Signing

Hey all,

The Jeff Carter signing I found very interesting. I thought he was going to be moved simply because of the Flyers current cap situation. With him signed, the Flyers have a cap hit of ~$57.6m next year and thats with only 18 players signed.

The are deep on the front and on the back-end, with their notable weakness being in net. Not offense to Bobrovsky, but he probably isn't the answer.

The nucks are also deep up front and on the backend; however, the difference is in the goal for the nucks and the physical department for the Flyers. Apart from Torres on the third line, our forecheck and corner play (im looking at you Raymond and Samuellson) is lacking. I also think we could use more secondary scoring from the 2nd line (although Raymond is apparently injured right now).

I propose we move Cory Schenider ($900K) at the deadline (assuming he is play well) to the Flyers for James Van Riemsdyk ($1.6m). Van Riemsdyk is off to a slow start after scoring 15 goals and 35 points last season. In any case, he's 21, 6'3, 211 lbs and has a skill-set that we have seen since the big 44. The Flyers would almost definetly be enticed with this, given Scheniders cap hit and assuming he continues to be play well this year.

Playoff Roster:

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Raymond - Kesler - Van Riemsdyk
Torres - Malhotra - Samuellson
Glass - (need a center) - Hansen

Hamhuis - Edler
Ehrhoff - Salo
Ballard - Bieksa

Alberts
Rome

Luongo
Lack (or someone else)

Next Season:

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Raymond - Kesler - Hodgson
Van Riemsdyk - Malhorta - Samuellson
Glass - (CENTER) - Hansen

Hamhuis
Ballard
Edler
Ehrhoff
(GOALIE)
(GOALIE)


Luongo
(GOALIE)

Thoughts?

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11-17-2010, 02:00 PM
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I don't think Philly's in the market for a goalie anymore with how well BOB has played.

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I could swear I've seen this trade somewhere before.

I don't know if Philly does this. Bobrovsky clearly has some potential and maybe some further upside.

With all the recent bigger contract signings in Philly, JVR's slower than perhaps expected start to his NHL career may be a blessing- they may be able to afford to keep him at a cheaper rate than if he had broken out already.

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11-17-2010, 02:02 PM
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Really doubt we'd get JVR for Schneider...

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The are deep on the front and on the back-end, with their notable weakness being in net. Not offense to Bobrovsky, but he probably isn't the answer.
Why not?

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the goalie market is so saturated they could probably just sign an experienced goalie cheap as a backup.

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I'm in if Philly is in.

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11-17-2010, 02:12 PM
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Unequivocally, PHI is not in the market for a goalie. Bobrovsky has been amazing for them. It's not a fluke. He has the talent to back it up. Have you seen how fast his feet are? He makes Luongo look like a turtle.

The real question is not whether Bob is the answer for them.... but whether Bob is actually better than Luongo.

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Unequivocally, PHI is not in the market for a goalie. Bobrovsky has been amazing for them. It's not a fluke. He has the talent to back it up. Have you seen how fast his feet are? He makes Luongo look like a turtle.

The real question is not whether Bob is the answer for them.... but whether Bob is actually better than Luongo.
Little premature to make that comparison considering Bobrovsky has only played about 15 games thus far in his NHL career.

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Unequivocally, PHI is not in the market for a goalie. Bobrovsky has been amazing for them. It's not a fluke. He has the talent to back it up. Have you seen how fast his feet are? He makes Luongo look like a turtle.

The real question is not whether Bob is the answer for them.... but whether Bob is actually better than Luongo.
Have you seen how fast Fleury's feet are?

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The real question is not whether Bob is the answer for them.... but whether Bob is actually better than Luongo.
I think it's a little early to be asking that.

And I'm not too sure about "unequivocally" either; this is a franchise that seemingly hasn't had a true #1 goalie for well over a decade now.

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Goaltenders have absolutely no value on the trade market and very little negotiating power. If we got anything for Schneider I would be shocked. That said I don't see the point of trading Schneider. He is a good cap value for what he brings as a back up. I also think it would be very foolish to go into the playoffs without a bona fide backup to our extremely overrated starter.

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I don't think the Flyers are desperate enough. They still have Boucher and Leighton too. The Canucks would have to take a bad asset back or give up at least a couple high picks in addition to Schneider to get Van Riemsdyk.

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11-17-2010, 07:46 PM
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Not gonna happen. Wasnt even going to happen before Bobrpvsky came up and now hes playing phenonemal. They will be fine.

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11-17-2010, 07:53 PM
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1. Bobrovsky > Schnieder

2. JVR is untouchable.

3. With Luongo's inconsistency and Schnieder's solid play, it's probably best that we keep both, for a couple years at least.

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I too would JVR for Schneider but its not gonna happen.
Schneider needs to build an actual NHL resume before he's worth anything interesting.

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3. With Luongo's inconsistency and Schnieder's solid play, it's probably best that we keep both, for a couple years at least.
isn't a little bit premature to make any call on schneider? carolina, minnesota, colorado, and buffalo really aren't a litmus test.

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isn't a little bit premature to make any call on schneider? carolina, minnesota, colorado, and buffalo really aren't a litmus test.
Didn't Luongo lose 6-2 Minnesota?

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Didn't Luongo lose 6-2 Minnesota?
http://canucks.nhl.com/club/recap.htm?id=2010020097

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Really doubt we'd get JVR for Schneider...
I don't even know If I'd make that trade anymore. It's nice to have a good backup that isn't a liability and JVR is pretty much a bust at this point.

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This trade doesn't address the Canuck's needs. (Gillis, is that you?) You can't just leave the fourth line without a center!

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even if we could get van riemsdyk for schneider, which i don't think we can, in our best shot at a championship and a year where we're favourites, do you really want to send a potentially game-changing goaltender to a team that would have won the cup last year if they'd had a game-changing goaltender? JVR is a nice player, and will be fantastic down the road, but he's not a piece we particularly need right now, and certainly not at the expense of potentially putting another contender over the top, or at the expense of losing our luongo insurance (injury or otherwise).

and of course there are two other factors on philly's side: 1. that bobrovsky may well be the real deal, in which case they won't even need schneider, and 2. why would they want to dump JVR, his enormous potential, and his relatively small salary when they could just trade, give away, or waive, say, zherdev, who makes more than him?

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Schneider + Hansen FOR JVR has been around for a couple years when JVR wasn't coming to the NHL and was a bit of a question mark. Granted Schneider was relatively unproven too... But JVR has just gotten better.

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This is the type of thread that HFboard posters would link and lump us with the leaf fans' delusional proposals.
JvR's struggling but there is NO way they send a 2nd overall pick, albeit in a weak year, for an unproven backup goalie with potential.

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