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11-19-2010, 04:27 PM
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The only thing hemsky has going for him over Nash is he makes half as much. I do not think he is a better player.
I'd say that they're in the same tier of player, with Nash just one year younger.

Rick Nash, 18-25: 517 GP, 227-195-422 (0.81 PPG)
Ales Hemsky, 19-25: 421 GP, 93-238-331 (0.79 PPG)

-Nash is 8th in scoring amongst LWs since the lockout.
-Hemsky is 11th in scoring amongst RWs since the lockout.

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11-19-2010, 04:32 PM
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I'd say that they're in the same tier of player, with Nash just one year younger.

Rick Nash, 18-25: 517 GP, 227-195-422 (0.81 PPG)
Ales Hemsky, 19-25: 421 GP, 93-238-331 (0.79 PPG)

-Nash is 8th in scoring amongst LWs since the lockout.
-Hemsky is 11th in scoring amongst RWs since the lockout.
I would agree with on the same tier, but different style of player. And I think they would complement each other very well.

It would be like the old days with vyborny and Nash, except better..

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11-19-2010, 04:37 PM
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So Filatov+Juice for Hemsky? Doubt that would get oilers to bite I bet the OP came here to get Johansen.
I like that idea, I'm a Filatov fan but I'd move him for a better player, and this is the case. I'm not really high on Johansen, never have been.

If Howson could pull off Nikki/Juice for Hemsky that'd be amazing.

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11-19-2010, 04:43 PM
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I like that idea, I'm a Filatov fan but I'd move him for a better player, and this is the case. I'm not really high on Johansen, never have been.

If Howson could pull off Nikki/Juice for Hemsky that'd be amazing.
Don't get me wrong Filatov is borderline my favorite player but for some reason he is just not putting it together quick enough. I think he will be as good as Hemsky if not better later in his career he will be more of a goal scorer though imo.

I wasn't high on Johansen when we picked him but the more I read/watch the more I like. For some reason he reminds me alot of getzlaf and the thought of getzlaf and nash together is win.

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11-19-2010, 04:52 PM
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Greetings Jackets fans. With our clubs headed in polar opposite directions and the relationship between Howson and Lowebellini, it's likely we'll see some activity between us at or even before the deadline.

Considering that Howson likely sees the post-season as a must-do in order to keep his job, and considering Howson knows Hemsky and Penner better than any other executive outside of Edmonton, do you think a package of our two top forwards would be enough to acquire Johansen and Filatov?

Primarily, what about a blockbuster-type deal like Penner and Hemsky for Johansen, Filatov and Commodore?

There's no question it changes the complexion of your forward corps:

Nash-Brassard-Hemsky (could be an incredible unit)
Penner-Vermette-Voracek (lots of size and skill)
Huselius-Wilson-Clark (potentially clutch 3rd scoring line)
Moreau-Pahlsson-Umberger (checking line)
MacKenzie, Boll, Murray, Dorsett

Hejda - Russell
Tyutin - Methot
Stralman - Klesla
Holden

Mason
Garon

That team has the depth to make a deep run even with a couple of injuries, and the Jackets would still have a few hundred thousand in cap space to make other adjustments.
Counter offer

Edmonton gets Johansen

Columbus gets Eberle

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11-19-2010, 04:58 PM
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Counter offer

Edmonton gets Johansen

Columbus gets Eberle
We tried that already.

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11-19-2010, 05:01 PM
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We tried that already.
Then here's my suggestion.

To Edmonton:

Commodore
Filatov
Clark

To CBJ:

Hemsky

bottom line- always get the best player in the trade.

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11-19-2010, 05:09 PM
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Then here's my suggestion.

To Edmonton:

Commodore
Filatov
Clark

To CBJ:

Hemsky

bottom line- always get the best player in the trade.
Id do it, but I doubt edmonton would.

When I said we tried that already I was referring to the draft when the oilers wanted our pick and we told them we wanted eberle.

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11-19-2010, 05:41 PM
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If we are trading future pieces for now pieces, I would rather see the now pieces improving the back end. I think we need a little more help there than up front.

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11-19-2010, 05:53 PM
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I don't like any offer that has Johansen and/or Filatov going to Edmonton towards underachieving forwards like Hemsky and/or Penner.

I'm a HUGE Ales Hemsky fan - definitely one of the biggest Hemsky fans outside of Edmonton, I just don't think he would be a good fit with the Jackets.

Plus, this gives us a surplus of forwards (something we honestly already have), and we give up a couple of big chunks of our future. I would be more pressed to make a move towards a rental player like Brad Richards, if the playoffs are such a necessity, since I think the price wouldn't be as steep.

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11-19-2010, 05:55 PM
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Id do it, but I doubt edmonton would.

When I said we tried that already I was referring to the draft when the oilers wanted our pick and we told them we wanted eberle.
Yes I know that Howson made that offer. I also know the numerous posts around the boards from Oilers fans is due to Oil Change and the statement in the second installation that if the season was one month longer Johansen would have passed Gudbranson and Seguin and been #2 overall. That's why Edmonton fans are making proposals. They think Columbus wouldn't know. We're stupid.


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11-19-2010, 07:59 PM
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No thanks.
Moreau indicted the care-less attitude of several Oilers.

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11-19-2010, 08:18 PM
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Let's not put Filatov out there as bait just yet.

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11-19-2010, 08:21 PM
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If we're going do a blockbuster, I'd rather have us getting a Weber or a Spezza. I'm not a big Penner fan, and although I'm a big Hemsky fan, it doesn't solve our big problems with the club. We won't trade for two big contracts, and trading for either player seems redundant, especially if it's Juice going back the other way. Filatov I could see getting traded, but no way Johanson is traded, as he is possibly the solution to one of our biggest weaknesses in a few years.

If Filatov or Johanson gets traded, it'll be for a player that is less redundant fills our needs more.

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Johansen in my opinion is the real deal. I do not want to trade him for anything, nor will Howson even consider trading him. His poise with the puck in the pre-season were that of a veteran, he's going to get his shot in Columbus not Edmonton. With that said, I'd like to see Hemsky here and a deal around Filatov and our 1st in 11 I'd definitely look into.

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11-19-2010, 09:07 PM
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As a fan of both teams, I wouldn't mind Hemsky but only if we then flip him to another team for a defensemen. I don't want Penner at all.

What do you think we(Columbus) can get for Hemsky?

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11-19-2010, 09:52 PM
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As a fan of both teams, I wouldn't mind Hemsky but only if we then flip him to another team for a defensemen. I don't want Penner at all.

What do you think we(Columbus) can get for Hemsky?
Nothing we couldn't get by simply trading away the assets we would trade away to get Hemsky.

In fact, I'd be willing to bet we would get more out of Filatov and a pick than we would out of just Hemsky.

At any rate - why trade for more forwards to begin with? Our offense is finally starting to click, when Huselius comes back we will once again be a strong three line team (with good fourth line depth).

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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11-19-2010, 09:56 PM
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By the way:

Filatov: 0 goals, 5 assists, +2 with 20 shots thus far
Hemsky: 4 goals, 7 assists, +2 with 29 shots.

9 more shots from a supposedly top player? And he's played in 1 more game. Filatov's been getting his chances, when they start falling (eventually they will), his confidence will go up and then more chances/scoring will come. We've been patient with him so far, let's not give up after only 16 games.

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11-19-2010, 10:19 PM
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By the way:

Filatov: 0 goals, 5 assists, +2 with 20 shots thus far
Hemsky: 4 goals, 7 assists, +2 with 29 shots.

9 more shots from a supposedly top player? And he's played in 1 more game. Filatov's been getting his chances, when they start falling (eventually they will), his confidence will go up and then more chances/scoring will come. We've been patient with him so far, let's not give up after only 16 games.
Problem with Hemsky he doesn't shoot enough. Not sure about recently but in the past, he would choose to pass then shoot the puck. I wouldn't mind him dishing the puck to Nash but as of now, Brassard is doing a great job at doing that so we don't really need him. Also, I guess it would make more sense if we tell the Oilers, you want Johansen and Filatov, we want these defensemen's from these teams. Try getting player X from team X and if you do, we will then trade you Johansen and Filatov(so essentially a 3 way trade).

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11-20-2010, 04:03 AM
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No thanks.

Moreau indicted the care-less attitude of several Oilers.
Someone is actually listening to advice on attitude from Moreau........


On a side note, glad to hear nobody wants Penner... He is extremely underrated - would be a 40 goal scorer blindfolded if he played with a centre with high end talent (i.e. Crosby) - which the Oilers have not had in years...

So I'm guessing the OP made this topic thread to acquire a top end centre.... Therefore Johansen is the key - since the Oilers drafted Hall instead of Seguin with the #1 overall pick.

Which means trading Hemsky for Johansen - a variation of that... Which would give Edmonton Johansen / Hall going forward....


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11-20-2010, 09:02 AM
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Which means trading Hemsky for Johansen - a variation of that... Which would give Edmonton Johansen / Hall going forward....
Not totally unreasonable, REA, but very unlikely.

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Not totally unreasonable, REA, but very unlikely.
Seconded.

Our RW's before Hemsky: Voracek, Clark, Boll, Dorsett - not to mention that guys like Nash, Umberger and Filatov have all seen time on the right side. Throw Hemsky into the mix for our top center prospect? I'll pass.

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11-20-2010, 12:49 PM
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Johansen is the one forward prospect we haven't screwed up (yet). I'd hate to let him go until we know if we can actually develop a top forward on our own.
Like we've screwed up Voracek, Brassard, Russell, Mason and Filatov?

Frankly, I think we're doing pretty well with our prospects these days.

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I agree. Voracek, Brassard, Russell, Mason and Filatov are all doing fine right now. Some are still finding their stride so to speak. But overall, everyone is playing well. Brass is looking more and more like a #1 center. Jake is looking great next to Brass and Nash on the first line. Russell is just an overall speed demon that can flat out move the puck. Mason is starting to come into his own with back to back extremely solid games and Filatov is starting to show a ton more confidence. Once he scores, their will be plenty of more goals to come.

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No thanks.
Moreau indicted the care-less attitude of several Oilers.
This made my day.

Pot calling the kettle black.

Only way Hemsky goes to Columbus is if Johansen is coming back. Form atrade with those two pieces in mind however which way you'd like.

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