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11-24-2010, 05:02 PM
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It doesn't take Einstein to draft Price ! He was the number 1 goalie to draft on every scout's lists.
Price was a complete reach at 5th. Sure, he was one of the top goalie available, but was certainly not expected to go that early, and certainly not for the habs who were set (back then) with Theodore. Plus, the Price selection was heavily, heavily criticized by the media and the fans. Go take a look at the 2005 draft day thread if you never did. The vast, vast majority of fans were against the pick.

As someone else showed in another thread, Price was one of the few elite player remaining in 2005 when we picked him. We could have very easily made a worst pick.

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11-24-2010, 05:11 PM
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Price was a complete reach at 5th. Sure, he was one of the top goalie available, but was certainly not expected to go that early, and certainly not for the habs who were set (back then) with Theodore. Plus, the Price selection was heavily, heavily criticized by the media and the fans. Go take a look at the 2005 draft day thread if you never did. The vast, vast majority of fans were against the pick.

As someone else showed in another thread, Price was one of the few elite player remaining in 2005 when we picked him. We could have very easily made a worst pick.
I guess we should thanks the Wild for drafting Pouliot as this is the guy the Habs wanted. Price was 2nd on the list.

Funnily enough we now have both on the team and Price is the guy who is much more important to our success and future while Pouliot is still trying to find his game and seen as expendable by some Interesting how things can turn out sometimes.

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11-24-2010, 08:14 PM
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enjoy

http://habsblogger.blogspot.com/2010...cher-fail.html

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11-26-2010, 01:32 PM
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The info regarding Fisher and the Jackets having him listed at a "No Draft" comes from Gare Joyce's book Future Greats and Heartbreaks. I can't remember the exact reseason as to why they had him listed as I read the book quite some time ago. That is where this info comes from. Not sure if they mentioned he was listed as "no draft" by other teams as well or if that was another player.
I've heard that book is well worth the read, will have to check that out eventually. Thanks for the info btw.

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11-26-2010, 05:47 PM
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The 2nd round pick will be better than Fischer

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12-02-2010, 01:34 PM
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Defending the David Fischer pick

I know, I know this thread has been done before but I thought that I would look into it quite closely. I was talking to a Leaf fan and he was telling me about how we screwed up this pick badly and could have had Claude Giroux instead. I was telling him that we were not looking for another small skilled player and we needed a D then. He went on to tell me that the Habs could have picked a much better D man instead of Fischer. So I looked up all of the D's picked after Fischer in the whole draft. Here is who they are and how many career NHL games that they have played.

20-David Fischer 0 GP
21-Bob Sanguinetti 5 GP
24-Dennis Persson 0 GP
27-Ivan Vishnevskiy 5 GP
29-Chris Summers 0 GP
30-Matt Corrente 23 GP
32-Carl Sneep 0 GP
37-Yuri Alexandrov 0 GP
42-Mike Ratchuk 0 GP
45-Jeff Petry 0 GP
48-Joey Ryan 0 GP
51-Nigel Williams 0 GP
52-Keith Seabrook 0 GP
53-Mathieu Carle 3 GP
55-Denis Bodrov 0 GP
57-Mike Weber 28 GP
61-Simon Danis-Pepin 0 GP
63-Jamie McBain 38 GP
64-Jonas Junland 4 GP
65-Brian Strait 0 GP
67-Karill Tulupov 0 GP
68-Eric Gryba 0 GP
75-Theo Peckham 52 GP
78-Kevin Quick 6 GP
82-Daniel Rahimi 0 GP
83-John de Gray 0 GP
88-Jonas Ahnelov 0 GP
94-Ryan Turek 0 GP
95-Ben Shutron 0 GP
98-James DeLory 0 GP
101-Joonas Lehtivuori 0 GP
102-Kyle Medvec 0 GP
103-Michael Caruso 0 GP
107-TJ Miller 0 GP
110-Kevin Montgomery 0 GP
111-Korbinian Holzer 2 GP
113-Ben Wright 0 GP
114-Niclas Andersen 0 GP
116-Derrick LaPoint 0 GP
121-Pierre-Luc Lessard 0 GP
126-Shane Sims 0 GP
128-Andrew Bodnarchuk 5 GP
139-Pavel Valentenko 0 GP
140-Cody Wild 0 GP
142-Maxime Frechette 0 GP
144-Martin Nolet 0 GP
147-Alex Biega 0 GP
148-Olivier Magnon 16 GP
152-Jordan Bendfeld 0 GP
155-Peter Aston 0 GP
159-Jesse Dudas 0 GP
160-Andrew MacDonald 56 GP
168-Dane Crowley 0 GP
181-Kevin Koopman 0 GP
184-Alexander Hellstrom 0 GP
185-Timo Seppanen 0 GP
188-Chris Frank 0 GP
199-Cameron Cepek 0 GP
200-Arturs Kulda 4 GP
210-Will O'Neill 0 GP
212-Logan Pyett 0 GP
213-Justin Kreuger 0 GP


So after all of the D have been picked yes the Habs could have done better but really how many players there would even play on the Habs right now.

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12-02-2010, 01:38 PM
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The mistake was drafting for an organizational need rather than the best player available, and Timmins said so.

But it is over, let bygones be bygones.


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12-02-2010, 01:41 PM
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Now we know who Timmins posts as here.

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12-02-2010, 01:42 PM
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well, I say we shouldn't have picked a d-man. riddle me that?

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12-02-2010, 01:49 PM
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Now we know who Timmins posts as here.
Here is Tiimmins saying they drafted for organizational need:

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article..._draft_review/

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12-02-2010, 02:14 PM
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I know, I know this thread has been done before but I thought that I would look into it quite closely. I was talking to a Leaf fan and he was telling me about how we screwed up this pick badly and could have had Claude Giroux instead. I was telling him that we were not looking for another small skilled player and we needed a D then. He went on to tell me that the Habs could have picked a much better D man instead of Fischer. So I looked up all of the D's picked after Fischer in the whole draft. Here is who they are and how many career NHL games that they have played.

21-Bob Sanguinetti 5 GP
27-Ivan Vishnevskiy 5 GP
30-Matt Corrente 23 GP
45-Jeff Petry 0 GP
57-Mike Weber 28 GP
63-Jamie McBain 38 GP
64-Jonas Junland 4 GP
75-Theo Peckham 52 GP
88-Jonas Ahnelov 0 GP
101-Joonas Lehtivuori 0 GP
111-Korbinian Holzer 2 GP
139-Pavel Valentenko 0 GP
160-Andrew MacDonald 56 GP
200-Arturs Kulda 4 GP


So after all of the D have been picked yes the Habs could have done better but really how many players there would even play on the Habs right now.
It's not very fair making this list now because most of those players are only 22-23 and some of them just turned pro. I left on the list those who have potential to be NHL regulars.

I'd rather have a couple of them (McBain, Junland, Kulda) then Hamrlik, Spacek and Gill in a two or three years for sure

At least those player are close to the NHL while Fisher is in the ECHL and will probably never play in the NHL.

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12-02-2010, 08:01 PM
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Fischer has 7 points (1G + 6A) in 21 games. He is +11 for the moment.

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12-02-2010, 09:45 PM
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You should just NEVER pick a kid that played High School hockey in the 1st round. It makes no sense. I know they are professionals, but how can scouts honestly take anything away from a High School hockey game? Look at the amount of players that actually became successful when playing in those kinds of leagues at the age of 17/18. Very very small number. Maybe take a flyer in the 2nd or 3rd round, but in the 1st? Stupid.
Exactly! Remember when the Buffalo Sabres drafted that guy, Tom Barrasso? What did he ever do? Total waste of a pick!!!!!

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12-02-2010, 09:49 PM
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I actually can understand the pick at the time, since he was 6'3 and a great skater (despite being outclassed by the younger McDonagh at the State tournament that year, the biggest tournament in Minnesota USHS) He has the tools but was something like another 1st round D from the USHS that we picked in Ron Hainsey (although Hainsey was drafted out of the NCAA since the rules were different then) just that Hainsey was poor defensively and Fischer was as poor or poorer offensively. But both gave the impressions that they needed to improve their work ethic.

Still a 6'3/6'4 defensemen with good mobility and a good first pass makes sense, just that he never could put it all together. He turned out to be a bust for Minnesota University and for the Habs, but I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being a solid AHLer as he is solid in his own end, moves well and can dish the puck, just has limited strength and no shot from the point. Perhaps if he learns that he has to work hard he will get back on track, just too bad it won't be with the Habs.

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Exactly! Remember when the Buffalo Sabres drafted that guy, Tom Barrasso? What did he ever do? Total waste of a pick!!!!!
You're comparing apples to oranges there. At least use the defenseman that Buffalo drafted straight out of high school. I think his name was Phil Housley.

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