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11-25-2010, 07:07 PM
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Carcillo and Powe are both replaceable parts on this team. I wouldn't shed a tear if both of them went. I like the way the lines are right now and that's the way the Flyers should keep things.
yes they are, that is why if they dont want to sign on the flyers terms you let them walk.

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11-25-2010, 07:10 PM
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How does powe bring much more than carcillo by the way?
Speed, energy, penalty kill, overall good defensive forward

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Grit, toughness, able to fight


Trust me I ****ing LOVE Carcillo, but Powe is more valuable.

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11-25-2010, 07:30 PM
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Carcillo and Powe are both replaceable parts on this team. I wouldn't shed a tear if both of them went. I like the way the lines are right now and that's the way the Flyers should keep things.
I agree. Some act like with either guy there isnt anyone else like them and you wouldnt be able to replace them. They are both role players. Nothing more. I honestly think this is Carcillo's last year here. I think there is more of a chance for Powe to stick around past this season IMO


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11-25-2010, 07:36 PM
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Yeah definitely think Carcillo is gone.

Powe however, I think will be around for a few more years. I dont see why we would need to replace him, as he wont be expensive. ~900k for a good 4th line forward who can do a lot of PKing is fair value

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I fail to see that many players that will be available that can replicate Powe's PK abilities and skating/energy for less than he will make. Examples?

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11-25-2010, 08:03 PM
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I fail to see that many players that will be available that can replicate Powe's PK abilities and skating/energy for less than he will make. Examples?
Pisani, Sjostrom, craig adams, possibly reasoner, asham, adam hall, ortmeyer. There are always 4th line players available. soem are very good pk guys on that list and really wouldnt be a downgrade.

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Pisani, Sjostrom, craig adams, possibly reasoner, asham, adam hall, ortmeyer. There are always 4th line players available. soem are very good pk guys on that list and really wouldnt be a downgrade.
There are always guys like Powe (and to a lesser extent Betts and Lappy) available but I doubt you'll be able to replace Powe for any significant savings.

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11-25-2010, 08:08 PM
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There are always guys like Powe (and to a lesser extent Betts and Lappy) available but I doubt you'll be able to replace Powe for any significant savings.
depends what you consider significant i suppose. If he wants 1mm and you can sign one of those guys for 600k, that extra 400k may go a long way.

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There are always guys like Powe (and to a lesser extent Betts and Lappy) available but I doubt you'll be able to replace Powe for any significant savings.
also you could possibly trade powe for a pick and then sign someone else cheaper. so you acquire an asset and save a little cash

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also you could possibly trade powe for a pick and then sign someone else cheaper. so you acquire an asset and save a little cash
If it doesn't make the team better today, it's not a deal worth making.

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11-25-2010, 08:29 PM
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If it doesn't make the team better today, it's not a deal worth making.
after the season, not now. Yeah i can see how losing powe though would really cripple the team and set them back.

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11-25-2010, 09:04 PM
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How does powe bring much more than carcillo by the way?
He's a better forechecker, better penalty killer, better 5 on 5 defender. The only things Carcillo does better are score the very occasional nice looking goal and fight. Carcillo's hands are probably better but Powe has the better shot (and he did make that extra fancy pass to Zherdev a couple games ago). But that's not really what either of them are out there for.

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I fail to see that many players that will be available that can replicate Powe's PK abilities and skating/energy for less than he will make. Examples?
Betts, Blair: Cap hit = $700,000

I love having Powe on the team, but this team can't keep being generous with the offers. Yes, Holmgren saved with some shrewd (how did "Holmgren" and "shrewd" get in the same sentence) contracts for Giroux and Carter, but he needs to give himself some cap wiggle room.

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11-26-2010, 12:00 AM
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Speed, energy, penalty kill, overall good defensive forward

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Trust me I ****ing LOVE Carcillo, but Powe is more valuable.
Agree completely, as a Carcillo fan myself, Powe is more valuable.

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11-26-2010, 12:13 AM
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Betts, Blair: Cap hit = $700,000

I love having Powe on the team, but this team can't keep being generous with the offers. Yes, Holmgren saved with some shrewd (how did "Holmgren" and "shrewd" get in the same sentence) contracts for Giroux and Carter, but he needs to give himself some cap wiggle room.
I love Betts to death, but no, he doesn't bring the energy Powe does. Not even close.

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11-26-2010, 05:45 AM
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And Betts signed that deal with serious injury concerns.

However, if we give Powe a 3 year deal, it will be cheaper than if we give him a 1 year deal. 3 years at 850-900k is definitely possible. Honestly there is no way Powe isnt on this team next year. Laviolette loves him, Holmgren loves him, etc. Unless for some reason he is super greedy, which I doubt he would be

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Pisani, Sjostrom, craig adams, possibly reasoner, asham, adam hall, ortmeyer. There are always 4th line players available. soem are very good pk guys on that list and really wouldnt be a downgrade.
Sjostrom already makes 750k, and will likely get a raise similar to Powe.

Pisani signed dirt cheap for cup winners, and apparently has sucked this year. pass

Adams is on a good cheap deal, but Id say he stays in Pitts.

Asham cant kill penalties

Reasoner makes 1.150 million now...

Hall, possibly, but he isnt as good as Powe.

Ortmeyer is playing in the AHL. enough said.

Even if we replace him from within(assuming Wellwood replaces Carcillo) the cheapest we could viable replace him with would be Holmstrom at 750k.

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11-26-2010, 06:58 AM
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And Betts signed that deal with serious injury concerns.

However, if we give Powe a 3 year deal, it will be cheaper than if we give him a 1 year deal. 3 years at 850-900k is definitely possible. Honestly there is no way Powe isnt on this team next year. Laviolette loves him, Holmgren loves him, etc. Unless for some reason he is super greedy, which I doubt he would be



Sjostrom already makes 750k, and will likely get a raise similar to Powe.

Pisani signed dirt cheap for cup winners, and apparently has sucked this year. pass

Adams is on a good cheap deal, but Id say he stays in Pitts.

Asham cant kill penalties

Reasoner makes 1.150 million now...

Hall, possibly, but he isnt as good as Powe.

Ortmeyer is playing in the AHL. enough said.

Even if we replace him from within(assuming Wellwood replaces Carcillo) the cheapest we could viable replace him with would be Holmstrom at 750k.
Your losing very little, nothing at all in some cases, if you signed those guys over powe at few hundred k cheaper. He is replaceable simple as that really. Reasoner makes that now, as I said possibly he may not get that next year as the market for these type of guys goes dry. So some of those guys may not get a raise but possibly a reduction in salary. You cant overpay these guys if youíre the flyers. You need to take short cuts somewhere. It wont be in the top 9 or on d at this point.

I disagree with you that there is no way powe isnít on the team next year. He wants to get paid at some point. Not sure if he is arbitration eligible or not. He took a token raise last year so who knows what he is thinking this summer. As I also said you can trade him in the summer and acquire a draft pick and replace him. You make out on both ends. Powe is not the diff in this team winning or losing. He is a solid replaceable player. Way to early to pencil in wellwood. Carcillo though will be gone by the deadline imo.

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Powe is a UFA, no one will trade for his rights before July 1.

Powe fits Laviolette's system perfect as he is very fast, hard forechecker and good defensively. I really doubt he goes anywhere

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11-26-2010, 07:43 AM
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Powe is a UFA, no one will trade for his rights before July 1.

Powe fits Laviolette's system perfect as he is very fast, hard forechecker and good defensively. I really doubt he goes anywhere
Thought he was a restricted, guess not. Why do you doubt he leaves? Someone offers him a multi year deal making good coin he is gone imo. Some team may offer him say 1.2 that has plenty of cap room. That isnít that unrealistic. If so the flyers cant afford to give him that.

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I love Betts to death, but no, he doesn't bring the energy Powe does. Not even close.
Not the energy, but Betts is 'man'. He's fast, he hits and he can check anyone. He's important because he has the will to win - at the cost of many bruises and surgeries.

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I'd be surprised if Powe went anywhere. I assume he'll stay slightly under the $1M mark and a true replacement for him would be somewhere around the same money so ditching him for a clone would make no sense. Lavvy also loves him and seems to hate Carcillo, so factor that in as well. If Carcillo makes the trade deadline here I'll be surprised.

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Powe is a UFA, no one will trade for his rights before July 1.

Powe fits Laviolette's system perfect as he is very fast, hard forechecker and good defensively. I really doubt he goes anywhere
Powe is RFA

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I'd be surprised if Powe went anywhere. I assume he'll stay slightly under the $1M mark and a true replacement for him would be somewhere around the same money so ditching him for a clone would make no sense. Lavvy also loves him and seems to hate Carcillo, so factor that in as well. If Carcillo makes the trade deadline here I'll be surprised.
what if he wants 1mm or more than what do you do?

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I love Betts to death, but no, he doesn't bring the energy Powe does. Not even close.
I have to disagree. Betts is probably the only one constantly skating on the PK. He might not give the same effort at EV, but he is brings energy in a different way.

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what if he wants 1mm or more than what do you do?
He won't get it, he is RFA and I doubt someone gives him an offer sheet. I would assume he would have some loyalty since the Flyers gave him his first shot, aka he was signed out College and not drafted.

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