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11-25-2010, 11:07 AM
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Condition Loan. How many times?

I am trying to understand some of the CBA on condition loans.

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CBA Article 13.8
13.8 Conditioning Loan. Unless a Player consents, he shall not be Loaned on a
Conditioning Loan to a minor league club. Such Conditioning Loan shall not extend for
more than fourteen (14) consecutive days. The Commissioner may take whatever steps
he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is Loaned on a
Conditioning Loan. If the Commissioner has reason to believe or determines that the
Club has used the Conditioning Loan to evade the Re-Entry Waivers, or otherwise
Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take such disciplinary action
against the Club, as he deems appropriate. The Player shall continue, during the period
of such Conditioning Loan, to receive the same Paragraph 1 NHL Salary, and be entitled
to the same benefits, that he would have received had he continued to play with the Club
How many times do you think a team is allowed to use a condition loan on a player before the league considers it "evading Re-Entry Waivers"?

We have a few players that may benefit from this. Most likely Bartulis, especially when Walker comes back.

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=36150

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October 23: (D) Oskars Bartulis loaned to Adirondack (AHL) for conditioning
October 31: (D) Oskars Bartulis recalled from Adirondack (AHL), end of conditioning
As we can see Bart only lasted 8 days on his condition stint, so would we be able to loan him again?

Hoping there are some CBA specialists on this board ;p

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I would imagine there has to be some precedent and/or discussion of what is acceptable v. unacceptable time to send someone on a conditioning stint. I know we sent Kukkonen before.

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I would imagine there has to be some precedent and/or discussion of what is acceptable v. unacceptable time to send someone on a conditioning stint. I know we sent Kukkonen before.
Exactly, but I don't really recall anyone being sent down multiple times, nor any circumstance in which the league was even close to investigating.

Are there any examples of a player being sent down 2-3 times in a year on a condition loan, without coming off an injury?

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By the way it is worded it sounds like it is all up to the Commissioner, i.e. there is no standard. If Bettman doesn't like it, he can bust a team for it.

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Exactly, but I don't really recall anyone being sent down multiple times, nor any circumstance in which the league was even close to investigating.

Are there any examples of a player being sent down 2-3 times in a year on a condition loan, without coming off an injury?
From memory, I believe Kukkonen went down at least twice... (he was also waived twice).

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From memory, I believe Kukkonen went down at least twice... (he was also waived twice).
This is his loan history with the Flyers

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/...66&hubname=nhl

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2009/02/28Assigned to Philadelphia (AHL).
2009/02/24 Recalled from Philadelphia (AHL).
2009/02/10 Assigned to Philadelphia (AHL).
2009/02/09 Waived by the Philadelphia Flyers.
So I believe he was Condition loaned once and waived the other time.

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By the way it is worded it sounds like it is all up to the Commissioner, i.e. there is no standard. If Bettman doesn't like it, he can bust a team for it.
Which is pretty weird. I would think they would have at least tried to nail down some standards.

I can understand not allowing a player to be continuously loaned after every 14 day stint, but allowing a player to condition every month or two, seems to be reasonable. But once again it is up to the league, and what seems reasonable to some may seem like a contract circumvention to others.

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