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08-18-2012, 09:32 AM
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It can't be the best Norweigian and Danish teams right? The best players shouldn't lose to junior clubs.
Nicklas Jensen, Thomas Spelling, Patrick Rusell and Oliver Bjorkstrand are missing for Denmark. Not sure about Norway.

Also I´m not sure about the rosters of the club teams and whether any of them have any 1992 born players, but I think both Denmark and Norway only have 1993 and younger players.

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08-18-2012, 09:47 AM
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slovakiasnextone, you can check rosters (some changes were made) http://forums.internationalhockey.ne...986#post230986

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I see Dinamo Shinnik beat Omsk today. Interesting result. Not that I know anything about a junior team from Belorus, but I would assume they'd be a weaker team than Omsk.

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I see Dinamo Shinnik beat Omsk today. Interesting result. Not that I know anything about a junior team from Belorus, but I would assume they'd be a weaker team than Omsk.
Dinamo Shinnik plays MHL as well, but last season did not make play-off, Omsk Hawks was champion. Of course, rosters are different today than last season. I though Omsk Hawks won the game as well. Will be interesting group. Can not wait tommorow games of Sudbury and Waterloo.

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08-18-2012, 12:58 PM
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I compiled a list of the ages of the teams involved from oldest to youngest. Obviously rosters will vary from game to game and I'd guess it's likely that Omsk's roster has been further trimmed but it's interesting to see.

Energie Karlovy Vary (CZE, MHL)
91: 4
92: 6
93: 9
94: 5
95: 1
96: 0
Total: 25
AA: 19.28

Dynamo-Shinnik (BEL, MHL)
91: 2
92: 10
93: 5
94: 5
95: 2
96: 0
Total: 24
AA: 19.20

HK Riga (LAT, MHL)
91: 4
92: 5
93: 8
94: 5
95: 2
96: 0
Total: 24
AA: 19.17

Omsk Hawks (RUS, MHL)
91: 5
92: 10
93: 6
94: 6
95: 4
96: 1
Total: 32
AA: 19.09

Denmark U20 National Team
91: 0
92: 0
93: 17
94: 6
95: 1
96: 0
Total: 24
AA: 18.67

Norway U20 National Team
91: 0
92: 0
93: 16
94: 8
95: 0
96: 0
Total: 24
AA: 18.67

HIFK Helsinki (FIN, Jr. A Sm-Liiga)
91: 0
92: 5
93: 9
94: 8
95: 3
96: 0
Total: 25
AA: 18.64

Linkoping HC (SWE, J20 SuperElit)
91: 0
92: 2
93: 10
94: 7
95: 6
96: 0
Total: 25
AA: 18.32

Sudbury Wolves (CAN, OHL)
91: 0
92: 5
93: 6
94: 6
95: 6
96: 3
Total: 26
AA: 18.15

Waterloo Blackhawks (USA, USHL)
91: 0
92: 1
93: 2
94: 15
95: 6
96: 0
Total: 24
AA: 17.92

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08-18-2012, 01:31 PM
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I don't think any 91's played for Omsk today. may be one d-man, that's it.

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Rosters, 1st day

Omsk Hawks

Shilin 91

Gluhkov 95 – Kuzmenko 91,
Kazakov 93 - Mozer 93 – Pyanov 91

Arefev 94 – Mokin 92,
Zubkov 92 - Rasskazov 92 - Baskov 94

Ponomarev 92 - Solyankin 94 (not sure),
Fishchenko 95 - Baskakov 92 – Mahkanovsky 93

Mikheev 94 (not sure) – Zavgorodny 93,
Kondratev 91 - Gorshkov 93 - Urazov 93


Dinamo Shinnik

Kovalev 92

Andreychikov 92 – Znakharenko 93,
Levko 92 - Parfeevets 92 - Dunaev 93,

Nevzorov 92 - Novikov 92,
Ageenko 92 - Makritsky 91 - Lopachuk 92

Voles 94 - Zozon 93,
Levsha 92 - Gorbunov 94 - Drindrozhik 93

Dostanko 94 – Ermachkov 94,
Ambrozheychik 95 - Mokhorev 92 - Kolenchukov 93

Energie Karlovy Vary

Habal 92

Kvapil 93, Schusser 91
Kverka 92, Novák 92, Piskor 92

Klimíček 92, Šik 91
Tomeček 94, Harkabus 94, Vrána 93

Chalupa 93, Troška 93
Flek 93, Švec 92, Csamangó 94

Gombár 93
Hroch 95, Kubáč 93, Zadražil 94, Půlpán 92

Norway

Søberg 93

Frøshaug 93, Lesund 94
Hoff 93, Medby 94, Weberg 93

Kjos Sæves 93, Simonsen 94
Karterud 94, Knutsen 93, Salo 93

Bjørnsland 93, Håland 93
Heier 93, Aslaksen 93, Pedersen 93

Næsgaard 93
Fischer 94, Olsen 93, Salsten 94, Thorstensen 93

HIFK

Uotila 94

Pakkanen 92, Metsola 92
Nykopp 93, Valli 93, Friman 94

Finnilä 93, Tarkkanen 93
Buchert 92, Kivelä 95, Tamminen 93

Nuorlahti 92, Jürgens 94
Saarelainen 94, Juutinen 94, Mieho 95

Toivonen 93, Raitanen 94
Boman 93, Ville 95, Waenerberg 92

Denmark

Jakobsen 93

Uldall 94, Lyø 94
Eller 95, Meyer 93, Søndergaard Christensen 93

Illemann 94, Bergholdt 93
Ma. Højbjerg 93, Mi. Højbjerg 93, Lauridsen 94

Madsen 93, Thode 93
Rasmussen 93, Sass 93, Bau Hansen 93

Sørensen 93, Povlsen 94, Knudsen 93 (not sure Ларсен Мартин)

Linköpings HC

Johansson 93

Warman 93, Bowall 93
Brehmer 94, Russell 93, Erdugan 93

Trygg 94, A Karlsson 93
M Karlsson 95, Benker 92, Modigs 92

Pettersson 94, Dahlström 95
Fornell 94, Bärgård 93, Rygaard 95

Nordén 93, Broberg 93, Blomberg 95

HK Riga

Gudlevskis 92

Salija 92, Kriss Lipsbergs 93
Rihards Bukarts 95, Kurmis 93, Straupe 92

Ozols 93, Dikis 91
Jelisejevs 94, Begovs 93, Lavrovs 94 (not sure, seems new guy)

Smirnovs 92, Zvirbulis 93
Kondrats 94, Sevcenko 94, Golovkovs 95

Augstkalns 94, Skuratovs 94
Rancevs 93, Siksnis 93, Potāpovs 94 (not sure, seems new guy)


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08-18-2012, 02:04 PM
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Rosters, 1st day

Omsk Hawks

Shilin 91

Gluhkov 95 – Kuzmenko 91,
Kazakov 93 - Mozer 93 – Pyanov 91

Arefev 94 – Mokin 92,
Zubkov 92 - Rasskazov 92 - Baskov 94

Ponomarev 92 - Solyankin 94 (not sure),
Fishchenko 95 - Baskakov 92 – Mahkanovsky 93

Mikheev 94 (not sure) – Zavgorodny 93,
Kondratev 91 - Gorshkov 93 - Urazov 93


Dinamo Shinnik

Kovalev 92

Andreychikov 92 – Znakharenko 93,
Levko 92 - Parfeevets 92 - Dunaev 93,

Nevzorov 92 - Novikov 92,
Ageenko 92 - Makritsky 91 - Lopachuk 92

Voles 94 - Zozon 93,
Levsha 92 - Gorbunov 94 - Drindrozhik 93

Dostanko 94 – Ermachkov 94,
Ambrozheychik 95 - Mokhorev 92 - Kolenchukov 93
All those overagers didn't seem to do Omsk any good today.

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08-18-2012, 02:16 PM
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Well that's not MHL's problem, it's the clubs' and parents' problems.

Anyway, whatever your concerns are- MHL is as legit as it gets in Russia. Like Winston Churchill said:

Pessimists see the difficulties in challenges, and optimists see the challenges in difficulties.

I think you, along with people like Larionov are closer to the former.
Larionov *****ed incessantly about how hard he was forced to work in Tikhonov's system the entire time that he was grabbing everything that was made available to him because of that hard work. IMHO, he was the most overrated player in Russian hockey history - he looked good in easy games against weak opponents, but under pressure against tough teams, he was amazing at finding creative ways to hide on the ice.

Using overagers make sense for the MHL for the time being. It makes sense to have the most competitive league possible from the outset, and if that means using overagers, that is the right thing to do. Without a feeder league of younger players, it is necessary for the MHL and the KHL to use overagers to serve their purposes.

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I updated all rosters from 1st day with year of birth. Omsk Hawks used 4 guys born 91, HK Riga 1, Energie 2,Dinamo Shinnik 1. It is not that bad I think.

Can anybody make stats/table like cagney did?

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Wolves are currently crushing HIFK.

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Wolves are currently crushing HIFK.
What's the score?

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What's the score?
7-1.

Chicago is also laying a beat down on the Czech team 5-0
Waterloo Black Hawks. force of habit there.. )

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7-1.

Chicago is also laying a beat down on the Czech team 5-0
Wow, thanks.

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Wow, thanks.
make it a final 5 zip for Waterloo.

and still currently in the 3rd. period 8-1 for Sudbury. I'm assuming that game is pretty much in to its final minutes.

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make it a final 5 zip for Waterloo.
I know nothing about this Czech side, but this result will humble those Europeans who think USHL is inferior youth league to theirs.

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I know nothing about this Czech side, but this result will humble those Europeans who think USHL is inferior youth league to theirs.
I've had those same thoughts about the USHL myself....but maybe it is time to re-think those ideas. What's even more impressive is the average age of the Waterloo players. They are young, and apparently talented.


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I updated all rosters from 1st day with year of birth. Omsk Hawks used 4 guys born 91, HK Riga 1, Energie 2,Dinamo Shinnik 1. It is not that bad I think.

Can anybody make stats/table like cagney did?
Here are the average ages from the first day with the deviation from overall roster averages...

Omsk = 19.24 +0.15

Dynamo-Shinnik = 19.29 +0.09

Energie = 19.24 -0.04

Norway = 18.71 +0.04

HIFK = 18.67 +0.03

Denmark = 18.63 -0.04

Linkopings = 18.47 +0.15

HK Riga = 18.57 -0.60

So the one team that had a very significant difference was HK Riga.

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I know nothing about this Czech side, but this result will humble those Europeans who think USHL is inferior youth league to theirs.
The sample size in a tournament like this will end up being too small to make any sweeping conclusions either way. Even within league play during the course of a year you often see a team blow out one team only to lose to the same team the next day. That said, it's a nice result for the USHL and if anyone out there thinks the league is a joke I think they're mistaken.

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USHL story on Waterloo's victory. There are some short clips of game action in the posted interviews, including one of Cammarata's goals in the interview with P.K. O'Handley.

http://ushl.com/news.php?action=detail&news_id=1212

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I hope that Riga won't be destroyed by Sudbury today. Wolves look tired according to MHL's play-by-play, wasted 34 seconds of 5 on 3.

Btw, when is the coach change coming?

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I hope that Riga won't be destroyed by Sudbury today. Wolves look tired according to MHL's play-by-play, wasted 34 seconds of 5 on 3.

Btw, when is the coach change coming?
Already in the 2nd period and no score. I think Riga is hanging in there just fine. Sudbury could be fatigued just a little...I'm sure it's been a long week.

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«ОмскиеЯстребы» - Norway(U20) Премьерная прямая видеотрансляция матча между «Омскими Ястребами» и молодежной сборной Норвегии.
seems MHL website will broadcast game Omsk Hawks vs Norway. Curious.. btw, Rossiya 2, KHL TV will broadcast it as well

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Already in the 2nd period and no score. I think Riga is hanging in there just fine. Sudbury could be fatigued just a little...I'm sure it's been a long week.
Gudlevskis decided to show up today, and our 95s Golovkovs and R.Bukarts have made an impact as well. Not bad, those two points were crucial for HK Riga, otherwise we'd miss the play-offs.

Shinnik continued to surprise people and stopped Waterloo.

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what's the tournament's lay-out? top two duke it out in semis?

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what's the tournament's lay-out? top two duke it out in semis?
not sure if I understand if yes, so best to teams from groups will make semifinals. First from A meets second from B.

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