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11-27-2010, 05:55 AM
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Tim Thomas to TBL

I wonder what the fans of either team think it would take for this trade to happen NOW.

Any trade would have to start with Ellis +

Keep it real (cap/NTCs - yes, I know Thomas has one!). Boston fans, remember Thomas is 37 and highly paid, so don't ask for the world. Tampa fans, remember Thomas is 2 years removed from a Vezina and the best goalie in the NHL this year, so far.

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11-27-2010, 05:58 AM
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Realistically:

It's not happening.

At this point, I think there's at least 5 different Boston will trade before they trade Thomas.

EDIT: Boston fans should be able to ask for whatever the **** they want to, because they have no reason to trade Thomas.

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11-27-2010, 06:05 AM
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EDIT: Boston fans should be able to ask for whatever the **** they want to, because they have no reason to trade Thomas.
Cap + having Rask (NHL starter) on the bench. I also mentioned not asking for an overpayment, but for fair value, taking everything into account.

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11-27-2010, 06:20 AM
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Cap + having Rask (NHL starter) on the bench. I also mentioned not asking for an overpayment, but for fair value, taking everything into account.
Taking into the account that they like their situation with Thomas and Rask splitting duties and that they have 3-4 other players they could easily move for cap relief (Jacobs has given Chiarelli the OK to bury contracts in the AHL)

Someone will have to make a good offer for Thomas to be moved. If he was healthy I'd do Gange + Ellis/Smith for Thomas + Ryder. I'm sure TB won't like it but we need scoring and speed or a PMD so unless someone can think of something else.

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Tim Thomas is 36.

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11-27-2010, 06:35 AM
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I'm sure TB won't like it but we need scoring and speed or a PMD so unless someone can think of something else.
Ellis + Clark + 1st? They get a reasonable PMD (well, at least this year he is), a very good backup for Rask, a lower first, and 2 million in cap space, and Tampa gets their great starter. I would have replaced Clark and the first with Kubina, but packaged with Ellis, they earn more than Thomas and therefore beats the point of a trade between these two teams.


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Ellis + Clark + 1st? They get a reasonable PMD (well, at least this year he is), a very good backup for Rask, a lower first, and 2 million in cap space, and Tampa gets their great starter. I would have replaced Clark and the first with Kubina, but packaged with Ellis, they earn more than Thomas and therefore beats the point of a trade between these two teams.
You're focusing too much on cap space. The Bruins don't view getting rid of Thomas as a cap space deal, they would only trade him if it improved the team immediately. They will dump Paille, Ryder, or Sturm and/or trade Wheeler before trading Thomas for cap relief.

Now with that said the Bruins have plenty of picks so that first probably won't impress them. They need NHL ready talent and they need a better PMD than Clark.

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Taking into the account that they like their situation with Thomas and Rask splitting duties and that they have 3-4 other players they could easily move for cap relief (Jacobs has given Chiarelli the OK to bury contracts in the AHL)

Someone will have to make a good offer for Thomas to be moved. If he was healthy I'd do Gange + Ellis/Smith for Thomas + Ryder. I'm sure TB won't like it but we need scoring and speed or a PMD so unless someone can think of something else.
Honestestly I would do an Ellis+gagne for Thomas. Dont know how the rest of Tampa would feel.

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Honestestly I would do an Ellis+gagne for Thomas. Dont know how the rest of Tampa would feel.
With how Thomas has played, coupled with the solid start Tampa has enjoyed. I do not believe it would be a stretch to believe they contend for conference championship. Of course, I do not know your other needs, if any. Thus pure speculation based on numbers.

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I am quite entertained by the whole Thomas thing. He went from being virtually untradeable because of that albatross contract and substandard play to being untadeable because he's playing off the charts.

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Honestestly I would do an Ellis+gagne for Thomas. Dont know how the rest of Tampa would feel.
Boston can't take on cap. Tampa would have to take a good sized cap dump. I'd again only do that trade if Gange actually comes back healthy and plays well.

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Taking into the account that they like their situation with Thomas and Rask splitting duties and that they have 3-4 other players they could easily move for cap relief (Jacobs has given Chiarelli the OK to bury contracts in the AHL)

Someone will have to make a good offer for Thomas to be moved. If he was healthy I'd do Gange + Ellis/Smith for Thomas + Ryder. I'm sure TB won't like it but we need scoring and speed or a PMD so unless someone can think of something else.
That's it, Thomas+Ryder for Gagne+Ellis.

But both Thomas and Gagne have NTC and im not sure both teams would do it. From a fan perspective that's what makes sense.

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I think Smith and Clark for Thomas and Hunwick could be a working situation for both teams

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Why does TBL want Thomas, he is old and he will only the team for like 2 years then he's done with his career.

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I wonder what the fans of either team think it would take for this trade to happen NOW.
Any trade would have to start with Ellis +
Keep it real (cap/NTCs - yes, I know Thomas has one!). Boston fans, remember Thomas is 37 and highly paid, so don't ask for the world. Tampa fans, remember Thomas is 2 years removed from a Vezina and the best goalie in the NHL this year, so far.
Tim Thomas and (D) M. Stuart, to Tampa Bay, for Ellis and prospect (D) Ty Wishart.

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Why does TBL want Thomas, he is old and he will only the team for like 2 years then he's done with his career.
Because he would push us from borderline playoff team to a team that can go deep.

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Tim Thomas and (D) M. Stuart, to Tampa Bay, for Ellis and prospect (D) Ty Wishart.
SFY would rip off Boston too much, I'd even throw in a decent pick or another prospect.

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11-27-2010, 09:21 AM
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Honestly... the more I think about it... I don't think Timmy gets moved...

**don't roast me for these lines, just speculation and proving point**

Lucic-Bergeron-Horton
Wheeler-Savard-Seguin
Caron Krecji Colborne
Campbell Marchand Thornton

Chara-Seidenberg
Ferrence-Boychuck
McQuaid-(Stuart? at 2million)

Thomas
Rask

Out- Ryder, Sturm

Basically Boston will have the same roster next year, with young guys moving up to take spots... it will open up anywhere from 6-8 million in cap moving forward... (7.5 from losing Ryder and Sturm, also Chara's new deal knocks off .5 million add in resigning some people and the rookies filling in, it works out to 6-8 million free roughly)...

We can afford to keep Thomas till his contract is up, the more I look at it, we are in cap trouble now, but next year unless Chia loses his mind, we should be good for a bit...

I like Thomas as an insurance policy, I always been a detractor, and I do prefer Rask... but numbers don't lie, Thomas has been a top 10 goalie in this league for the last 4 years... and unless the deal brings back a good puck mover, I have little to no interest in moving Timmeh

With that available cap, I wouldn't want to spend to the cap, be nice to get a good puck mover with 4-5million cap hit.

We are in cap hell RIGHT NOW... but we are all good in the hood next year

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Boston wouldn't trade him unless for an overpayment. Main point is, we have the best pair of goalies of NHL and there is no reason to trade on of them, for cap relief, knowing we have other options.

For those saying Gagne, certainly he is a good player, but I don't want another injury prone here.

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No Movement Clause. And there's ZERO chance he waives it to go to Tampa ****ing Bay.

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No Movement Clause. And there's ZERO chance he waives it to go to Tampa ****ing Bay.
I think you are right. If he wouldn't waive his NMC to go to the Caps as was rumored at the last deadline, where would he waive to go to?

It doesn't sound like he wants to be anywhere but Boston.

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No Movement Clause. And there's ZERO chance he waives it to go to Tampa ****ing Bay.
Whys that?

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Because he would push us from borderline playoff team to a team that can go deep.
As an outsider (Caps fan) I totally agree. Tampa + either TT or TV is scary to me.

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Whys that?

He wouldn't want to up and move to a worse team in a worse market for the same playing time. He allegedly used to NMC to block a trade to Washington last year (and that was when he wasn't getting as many starts here). From everything I've heard him say he wants to stay in Boston at all cost.

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No Movement Clause. And there's ZERO chance he waives it to go to Tampa ****ing Bay.
Actually, TB is one of the few teams he'd consider waiving to go to. St. Louis is one of TT's best friends. I doubt he waives for any team, but Tampa Bay would probably near the top of his list of desired locations.

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Tampa is one place I think he waives his NTC for. I think ANY deal involving Thomas would have the acquiring team taking on quite a bit of salary... Otherwise, there's no reason for Boston to move him.

I also think any deal involving Thomas wont be for just picks/prospects, but an upgrade at D.

Thomas+Hunwick for Ellis+Kubina

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