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11-29-2010, 12:38 PM
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What would the Sabres do with Niemi? They already have Ryan Miller and Lalime, and Enroth is waiting in the minors. I see no logical reason why the Sabres would take Niemi in a trade.
As the Sabres fan posted, Lalime is that bad. Enroth is tiny for a goalie, a real long shot for an extended NHL career. Enroth has put in the work but his size is likely to ultimately limit him.

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As the Sabres fan posted, Lalime is that bad. Enroth is tiny for a goalie, a real long shot for an extended NHL career. Enroth has put in the work but his size is likely to ultimately limit him.
Ok, I must have missed that then.

I still don't want a trade with the Sabres though. None of their defensemen other than Myers are worth it in my opinion.

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Ok, I must have missed that then.

I still don't want a trade with the Sabres though. None of their defensemen other than Myers are worth it in my opinion.
Montador is a meh! trade, which could quickly turn costly. He is a big upgrade to Huskins/Wallin. Pretty close to a #4 two-way. Leopold is a 4/5 PMD. You aren't getting Myers. Butler promises to be a 3/4 PMD, but has had a lot of trouble reaching his projection. Sekera is a 5/6 PMD; Demers is definitely better than Sekera, probably about even with Butler. My issue with any trade is the cost. They have some decent pieces.

Realistically, the Sharks should take the opportunity to find out what they have in their own kids and give them the NHL time to mature. Braun, Joslin and Moore are older and if they aren't going to cut it soon will need to be cut loose. There really isn't a lot of time for them to develop in the AHL any further. Heck, Moore has a one-way contract for next year.

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As per the quote above, everyone here seems to agree that this "Eklund" character has no credibility whatsoever. And so it always amuses me when there's an entire thread dedicated to one of his rumors.

You're playing right into his hands.
Discussing the voracity of the rumor is not a question. His hit rate is well known and poor.

But discussing a theory even if its from Ecklund - do we need a defenseman and who might be available from another team, makes 1 out of 10 of his rumors worthwhile talking about. That can lead to some interesting and enlightening discussion which is what the board is for.

But yea ... a thread that just says - "Its not going to happen" that continues for 4 pagess isn't much of a thread and generally means its a slow newsday.

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Discussing the voracity of the rumor is not a question. His hit rate is well known and poor.

But discussing a theory even if its from Ecklund - do we need a defenseman and who might be available from another team, makes 1 out of 10 of his rumors worthwhile talking about. That can lead to some interesting and enlightening discussion which is what the board is for.

But yea ... a thread that just says - "Its not going to happen" that continues for 4 pagess isn't much of a thread and generally means its a slow newsday.
True, true. The issue at hand is obviously relevant, no question. I just hate to see attention seeking bloggers get attention.

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True, true. The issue at hand is obviously relevant, no question. I just hate to see attention seeking bloggers get attention.
I agree with you and won't even give Eklund the validation of a click. However, as per WS, the Sabres make sense. If a trade is on the horizon, it will be between two struggling teams and most likely between GMs with a trading history which the Sabres and Sharks have.

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Montador is a meh! trade, which could quickly turn costly. He is a big upgrade to Huskins/Wallin. Pretty close to a #4 two-way. Leopold is a 4/5 PMD. You aren't getting Myers. Butler promises to be a 3/4 PMD, but has had a lot of trouble reaching his projection. Sekera is a 5/6 PMD; Demers is definitely better than Sekera, probably about even with Butler. My issue with any trade is the cost. They have some decent pieces.

Realistically, the Sharks should take the opportunity to find out what they have in their own kids and give them the NHL time to mature. Braun, Joslin and Moore are older and if they aren't going to cut it soon will need to be cut loose. There really isn't a lot of time for them to develop in the AHL any further. Heck, Moore has a one-way contract for next year.
I've watched Sekera a little this year. He has really stepped up his game and I would put him equal to Demers with upside at this point. I wouldn't want Montador either. Leopold would be an OK solution for me, but I don't like his contract term or age ... adding another 30 year old to go with Boyle, Murray, Wallin and Huskins. A little youth is preferred at this stage if that person is available which is in part why Sekera is a better fit to me (I also like his skills package) and can see a trade with Seto and he as the core pieces.

I haven't seen anything out of Moore that impresses me as a solution to this year or the future. He's a bottom pair with limited upside from my vantage point. Braun and Joslin I agree should be getting occasional spot starts and giving them a chance to prove out or pass. I'd also be interested in seeing Sullivan and Schaus given a few starts though I don't know their contract status and ability to pas them up and down without exposing them.

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Montador is a meh! trade, which could quickly turn costly. He is a big upgrade to Huskins/Wallin. Pretty close to a #4 two-way. Leopold is a 4/5 PMD. You aren't getting Myers. Butler promises to be a 3/4 PMD, but has had a lot of trouble reaching his projection. Sekera is a 5/6 PMD; Demers is definitely better than Sekera, probably about even with Butler. My issue with any trade is the cost. They have some decent pieces.

Realistically, the Sharks should take the opportunity to find out what they have in their own kids and give them the NHL time to mature. Braun, Joslin and Moore are older and if they aren't going to cut it soon will need to be cut loose. There really isn't a lot of time for them to develop in the AHL any further. Heck, Moore has a one-way contract for next year.
Totally agree Jeasy. Look at Brauns performance thus far, being he has gotten an opportunity! The longer we hold on to the likes of Wallin and Huskins, the lesser chance we have to see what our AHL staff will give us. Braun has been a very decent surprise (albeit, it is still early for him and he could turn out to be a bust but, without the chance, we'll never know). Let's see when all come back healthy if he will continue to get the opportunity. Moore is another whom we could be wasting away with. This guy definitely deserves a 'consistent' shot with the big club.

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I've watched Sekera a little this year. He has really stepped up his game and I would put him equal to Demers with upside at this point. I wouldn't want Montador either. Leopold would be an OK solution for me, but I don't like his contract term or age ... adding another 30 year old to go with Boyle, Murray, Wallin and Huskins. A little youth is preferred at this stage if that person is available which is in part why Sekera is a better fit to me (I also like his skills package) and can see a trade with Seto and he as the core pieces.

I haven't seen anything out of Moore that impresses me as a solution to this year or the future. He's a bottom pair with limited upside from my vantage point. Braun and Joslin I agree should be getting occasional spot starts and giving them a chance to prove out or pass. I'd also be interested in seeing Sullivan and Schaus given a few starts though I don't know their contract status and ability to pas them up and down without exposing them.
Sullivan is a high quality AHL PP specialist. He has had his chances elsewhere. Schaus has a good rep from NCAA. I disagree on Moore/Joslin. IMO, Joslin is looking to be a career #7 which puts Moore as better being a 3rd pairing. IMO, Moore has that extra between the ears. Spot starts aren't going to do it. One of them is going to need to be in the #4 spot, right into the fire. IMO, that is Braun.

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IF ..... there were a trade to be made, Sekera for Seto seems more equal to me. Sekera has a $1,000 one year cap hit before becoming an RFA. He's 24 and has 181 NHL games under his belt. Seto is 23 with a $1,800 cap hit and 216 NHL games of experience. Both have holes in their games and both have strong upside for the future and reasonably close cap hits. Both could solve the other teams needs.
As a Sabres fan, I would do this trade in a minute but alas.

Regier overvalues his players worth and thus would likely be asking for more....

He doesnt make any pre New Years trades. The last one was in like 2003 when he traded Jason Woolley (sp?) to Detroit.

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Braun's getting thrown into the fire a lot quicker than most had expected. He really didn't do anything special in Worcester, but was consistantly OK. Being in SJ hopefully willbe a good experience for him, but I'm sure if SJ had their way, they'd want him in Worcester the rest of the year.

Moore is troubling. Reminds me of Joslin - he's leveled off in his play. We haven't seen the big hits of 2 years ago - he was throwing hard open ice checks all over the place. Seems to be out of position quite a bit too, but it may be due to covering for this partner's mistakes.

Schaus is the guy I expected to be next in line to be called up to SJ (of course was only from watching him at the end of last year in Worcester). He was on the PP and OK, and looked very comfortable at both. He seemed adjusted to the speed of the pros, and tossed around a few nice hits. He's had his issues this year, seems to be out of place at times, but I'm still encouraged that he'll improve.

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Braun's getting thrown into the fire a lot quicker than most had expected. He really didn't do anything special in Worcester, but was consistantly OK. Being in SJ hopefully willbe a good experience for him, but I'm sure if SJ had their way, they'd want him in Worcester the rest of the year.

Moore is troubling. Reminds me of Joslin - he's leveled off in his play. We haven't seen the big hits of 2 years ago - he was throwing hard open ice checks all over the place. Seems to be out of position quite a bit too, but it may be due to covering for this partner's mistakes.

Schaus is the guy I expected to be next in line to be called up to SJ (of course was only from watching him at the end of last year in Worcester). He was on the PP and OK, and looked very comfortable at both. He seemed adjusted to the speed of the pros, and tossed around a few nice hits. He's had his issues this year, seems to be out of place at times, but I'm still encouraged that he'll improve.
Moore had one of those checks while here. Required a fight subsequently at the behest of the other team. Clean hit and well timed within the flow of the game. I like Braun's defense better than Joslin's or Moore's but Moore checks a bit closer than Joslin. Also, Moore, sans one mindnumbingly poor decision, seems better with the puck.

If you can, try a rough rundown on from slowest to quickest as to who gets the puck on and off their stick accurately to a teammate or if a guy is consistently making the safe play up the boards. The issue in SJ has been that they are taking the up the boards route or d to d route too often, unnecessarily stalling play. Consistently going safe when other options are open is not a good thing.

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Montador is a meh! trade, which could quickly turn costly. He is a big upgrade to Huskins/Wallin. Pretty close to a #4 two-way. Leopold is a 4/5 PMD. You aren't getting Myers. Butler promises to be a 3/4 PMD, but has had a lot of trouble reaching his projection. Sekera is a 5/6 PMD; Demers is definitely better than Sekera, probably about even with Butler. My issue with any trade is the cost. They have some decent pieces.

Realistically, the Sharks should take the opportunity to find out what they have in their own kids and give them the NHL time to mature. Braun, Joslin and Moore are older and if they aren't going to cut it soon will need to be cut loose. There really isn't a lot of time for them to develop in the AHL any further. Heck, Moore has a one-way contract for next year.
Braun looks decent so far, Still needs another 8 games or so before any real evaluation of his NHL ability can be made. I've completely given up on Joslin, he is a good AHL defenseman but he just can't hang with the big boys in the NHL. I haven't given up on Moore but I'm doubtful if he will be an NHL caliber defenseman as well.

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If you can, try a rough rundown on from slowest to quickest as to who gets the puck on and off their stick accurately to a teammate or if a guy is consistently making the safe play up the boards. The issue in SJ has been that they are taking the up the boards route or d to d route too often, unnecessarily stalling play. Consistently going safe when other options are open is not a good thing.
Hmm I'll do the best I can - I think it really comes down to who is smarter with the puck.

For who we have/had (no particular order):

Moore:
He likes to carry more than pass. I think he feels safer that way. But he tends to make the smart moves. In the attacking zone, he's pretty good at knowing when to fire or pass.

Sullivan:
He's coming around more now - beginning of the year I wasn't really digging him. He's been much more offensive as of late, and making the smart plays. He's been stepping up creating odd man rushes. Passes have been crisp and plays smart. Not too fast about it, but doesn't cough it up.

Joslin:
I've never seen a player with more blocked shots in the attacking zone. Seems unsure of himself when bringing the puck up ice (will take his time behind our net until things are just right for him). He's turned the puck over in transitions more than most. Too much thinking.

Braun:
Above average with puck moving. Moves puck smartly, tends to know when to shoot on PP. Still adjusting to the speed of the pros, so sometimes the timing is off, but much like Demers, learning quickly and is making progress each game.

Schaus:
I thought last year he'd be the smartest D puck mover this year. He's coughed up a few earlier this year, but he's settling down. He needs a few confidence builders, but he's making progress as well.

Petrecki:
I know we've all said he's improving this year, but it doesn't mean he's ready for prime time. What we've meant is that he was so bad before, that now he is an average AHL D-man. He's moving smarter with puck (again for an avg AHL d-man), and when he's in the attacking zone he's been putting the puck on net a lot. Any pass up the wing from him still continues to scare me, but not as much as it did last year.

Leach:
I think he'd rather go behind his own net, and have another D-man take the puck up ice to pass. He hasn't done much execpt to float and direct traffic.

Irwin:
Still learning - he's been under the radar. He hasn't hurt us at all, but needs more mins. As with most rookies, needs to work on timing.

Loprieno:
Not really a puck mover.

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As the Sabres fan posted, Lalime is that bad. Enroth is tiny for a goalie, a real long shot for an extended NHL career. Enroth has put in the work but his size is likely to ultimately limit him.
He's only 22 years old...Enroth will eventually be an NHL #1 goaltender.

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He's only 22 years old...Enroth will eventually be an NHL #1 goaltender.
His AHL record is stellar, but NHL teams are really going big. I don't doubt his skill or desire. I do wish him the best, but I saw him twice for the Sabres and he was getting eaten alive. I couldn't tell whether it was the size issue.

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His AHL record is stellar, but NHL teams are really going big. I don't doubt his skill or desire. I do wish him the best, but I saw him twice for the Sabres and he was getting eaten alive. I couldn't tell whether it was the size issue.
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I've always thought highly of Enroth. Like someone said before, his AHL track record is very good, and even though his NHL numbers aren't good, he looked good in a game I watched, granted, it was against the Leafs. Too bad Miller is in Buffalo for awhile.

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Braun's getting thrown into the fire a lot quicker than most had expected. He really didn't do anything special in Worcester, but was consistantly OK. Being in SJ hopefully willbe a good experience for him, but I'm sure if SJ had their way, they'd want him in Worcester the rest of the year.

Moore is troubling. Reminds me of Joslin - he's leveled off in his play. We haven't seen the big hits of 2 years ago - he was throwing hard open ice checks all over the place. Seems to be out of position quite a bit too, but it may be due to covering for this partner's mistakes.

Schaus is the guy I expected to be next in line to be called up to SJ (of course was only from watching him at the end of last year in Worcester). He was on the PP and OK, and looked very comfortable at both. He seemed adjusted to the speed of the pros, and tossed around a few nice hits. He's had his issues this year, seems to be out of place at times, but I'm still encouraged that he'll improve.
So it seems what you are saying is that the guys who have been in the AHL the longest, have failed to stop progressing and are actually regressing. How much of that is due to the players, and how much is due to the coaching?

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So it seems what you are saying is that the guys who have been in the AHL the longest, have failed to stop progressing and are actually regressing. How much of that is due to the players, and how much is due to the coaching?
Well I have been saying for awhile that Joslin's development has stopped or regressed. I think Joslin got a little shocked/bent when Demers passed him by.

Moore just seemed to peak where he's been. He's definately a steadying force for Worcester, but the big hit/play factor has been missing.

I think Moore still has a chance to be a lower tier D-Man in the NHL. I think Joslin at the very least needs a change of scenery.

The coaches IMO got the guys ready for the NHL. More so Moore. Just not sure how good they actually are (borderline NHLers I'd say) and a little bit of a neg attitude by Joslin.

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I think the problem with Moore is they wanted him to improve his positioning as opposed to trying to blast a guy into the 5th row, and now blasting the guy is no longer forefront in his mind. If he can add that back into his game he could easily be a second pair NHL defenseman.

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Schaus seem to be the best checker so far, I saw him knock at least 4 guys out of games this year, with the last one coming Saturday, He just crushed a forward at center ice, The player didnt get up, Plus his puck moving and skating have been excellent. Really mobile and has been very good in the pk

Petrecki has gained some confidence, still takes some dumb penalties, took a cross checking saturday that put his team down two men and they scored the game winnner. But he is a hugh guy and a raw talent, plus still young

Sullivan has shown some scoring at the AHL level but is out of position alot. when in the play, which could get hoimin trouble, Does hit from time to time, and is older. Has alot of time in the AHL. If SJ doesnt give him a chance, I think he wont get one.

Irwin seems to get alot of chance on the pp. doing ok. A little out of place., not very physical for his size., but neither was Braun,. Should get every chance, seem to be a favorite of the coaches in Wos lately.

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Positioning is best to keep in mind. It's what keeps Doug Murray in the NHL. But I don't mind a guy stepping out to blast someone on the breakout, the same way I don't mind Demers stick handling to find space.

Moore had some bad mistakes with SJ, but I think he had contributions that could be built on to make something great. I'm bigger on him than any other call-up so far, at any position.

Hopefully all you guys got to see Moore score a goal vs. Colorado, then vs. Dallas, blast Ott and pummel Fistric. Loved it.

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