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06-18-2004, 11:35 AM
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IIHF wants Stanley Cup champions to play European Champions

http://www.slamsports.com/Slam040617/hky_iihf-cp.html

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ZURICH (CP) -- The inaugural Super Six club championship of Europe will be played in St. Petersburg, Russia, Jan. 13-16, 2005, and the International Ice Hockey Federation says it hopes eventually to arrange to have the European champion play the Stanley Cup winner to determine world club supremacy.

"Many fans are still talking about the great games between CSKA Moscow and the Montreal Canadiens in the 1970s and 1980s and the potential of games like these is even bigger today," says IIHF president Rene Fasel.
Interesting idea...not sure how well it would work though. I don't watch any European club teams but would they really be competitive with the Stanley Cup champs? Fasel draws the comparison between the CSKA-Habs games in the 70's, but back then most European players stayed in Europe so I imagine the club teams were stronger. Now that the vast majority of skilled European players are in the NHL, I'm not sure if it would be much of a contest.

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I think the NHL won't accept it or it will dictate its own rules again : NHL rinks, coaches, schedule, and in North America.

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It would be nice but I'm not sure NHL teams would be interested.
But europen champion vs. Stanley cup champion should be a great game anyway.

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I think the NHL won't accept it or it will dictate its own rules again : NHL rinks, coaches, schedule, and in North America.
I agree in general...but why coaches?

My concern is that I'm not sure if the Stanley Cup Championship team would want to have their season go longer than it already has.

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I think the NHL won't accept it or it will dictate its own rules again : NHL rinks, coaches, schedule, and in North America.
Frankly, if the NHL is so keen to gain a wider audience, they should be all for supporting this type of event. Maybe they'd be better off trying to model themselves on the international popularity of soccer rather than trying to kidnap fans and TV contracts from the NBA or NFL. It shouldn't be about the Tampa Bay Lightning saying they're too tired to play, it should be about the NHL making it an established part of league tradition, and every Stanley Cup champion should be pumped to prove they are the best on the planet and that they play in the best league.

I guess it sounds like I'm in favour of the idea, huh?

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Interesting idea...not sure how well it would work though. I don't watch any European club teams but would they really be competitive with the Stanley Cup champs? Fasel draws the comparison between the CSKA-Habs games in the 70's, but back then most European players stayed in Europe so I imagine the club teams were stronger. Now that the vast majority of skilled European players are in the NHL, I'm not sure if it would be much of a contest.
I dont like the idea, the NHL season is already long enough and most of the really good Euro's play here anyway.

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if i had just won the stanley cup, i would definitly NOT want to go play some meaningless game/series, possibly in another part of the world. there's no way the teams would be up for it

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Maybe the NHL would be scared of it, cause what if they played this "meaningless game" and actually lost? Then I guess the ego of the NHL (the players, media, fans, franchise owners etc), which consider itself the top league in the world, would get kind of bruised... and since hockey is a game where anything can happen, that possibility shouldn't be ruled out, there have been many big upsets in the sport of hockey. So I doubt the NHL would want it's bubble to burst by possibly losing to inferior European teams.

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Hey, obviously it wouldn't be after the cup finals, come on. That makes no sense, and the European season ends two months earlier than NHL's. Most likely they'd like to arrange the matchu on next preseason. Though, the teams wouldn't be the same.

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The 92 US olympic basketball team's match-ups were more evenly matched than this would be.

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The idea sounds great, but the reality of it wouldn't be that good at all. Most of the good talent in Europe is over here and like many have said the season in the NHL is long enough the way it is.

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you mean this year? or next? ... If it was this years... Tampa Bay would win because over half is canadian.
Its like Canada vs. Europe
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Maybe the NHL would be scared of it, cause what if they played this "meaningless game" and actually lost? Then I guess the ego of the NHL (the players, media, fans, franchise owners etc), which consider itself the top league in the world, would get kind of bruised... and since hockey is a game where anything can happen, that possibility shouldn't be ruled out, there have been many big upsets in the sport of hockey. So I doubt the NHL would want it's bubble to burst by possibly losing to inferior European teams.
It's called a no-win situation for the NHL - why would they be scared? If the NHL team wins, it was supposed to be that way. If the NHL team loses, it's probably due to European officiating/diving.

(sorry - just had to add something equally as stupid as that reply to this thread)

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The NHL would never go for it. They got much bigger problems to solve right now anyways, but I'd be shocked if it ever happened cause I would love to see it, so it won't happen. Would be cool to see say, Omsk vs Tampa.

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The only way this will work is if they split the difference from a true International Rink to an NHL rink and that would make both parties happy, IMHO

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It's called a no-win situation for the NHL - why would they be scared? If the NHL team wins, it was supposed to be that way. If the NHL team loses, it's probably due to European officiating/diving.

(sorry - just had to add something equally as stupid as that reply to this thread)
That's not stupid (well your Euro officiating/diving comment was pretty stupid but that's another story), think of it: IF the NHL team would lose (despite NHL refs as I'm sure the NHL wouldn't allow anything but NHL refs anyway), the league as a whole would feel ashamed that their best team lost to an inferior opponent, and the fans that have always believed that the NHL was the best league (rightfully so, I must add) would be pretty embarrased or upset and say "Never again, this was a waste of time, the SC is the only thing that matters" etc... you can't say it would never happen, as there have been, and will always be, many upsets in sports history. Besides, motivation can sometimes beats class and I have a feeling that the NHL teams would hardly be the most motivated teams as they're not the underdogs.

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I'd be all for an idea like this, but I think it would have to changed to a European All-Star team perhaps because I just don't think that the Euro Champions could hold there own.

And I'd have the game/series played in a develloping hockey nation (Italy, France, Denmark, Norway etc.) to help spread more interest.

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Don't you think also that they might not want to do it because it takes away from the Stanley Cup. The Stanley Cup is well regarded as one of the best trophies. There's history and everyone wants the cup. It's not like the NBA where half the people don't even know the name of the trophy. As such the way it is right now the Stanley Cup is a great marketing tool.

If this goes down then the ultimate winner can still lose. I may be out to lunch a little bit and I don't know if I even buy all of what I"m saying but I thought I'd throw that theory out there.

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AS a hockey fan i'd love to see this game concept go ahead. Unfortunately for a range of reasons i don't think it will.

Logistical and financial reasons are at the fore at this tentative time for the NHL and probably on the Euro side.

But what woul dhappen if the euro team won to the integrity fo the cup and the fans??

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First of all, this game won't be held this year since there isn't a current European champion (the tournament will arraged next season after a 8 year break). Secondly, the only time it can be played is before the start of the NHL training camps.

Assuming they'll face each other in Europe, it should be at a neutral venue, possibly the biggest arena of the Euro champ's country. If that arena is the biggest of the country, fine. Should it be one single game or a best of 3 series? The NHL club could hold their tranining camp in Europe and play other teams as well, so the trip wouldn't be for just one game. A huge money prize should also be given for the winner (atleast 1 million ).

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A few things...

1. Like I said in another thread... it's foolish that their determining the European champion in January, 8 months after [and in the middle of the next season] the champions of the individual leagues are crowned. If this tournament to determine the European champion was held immediately after the conclusion of the finals of each league, this idea would have more of a chance.

2. The fear of losing European players would probably be enough to turn the NHL off of this idea. Many of these players don't like leaving their home countries to begin with and if they could play in their home country and play for a hockey 'World Championship' then some players would be inclined to play in Europe instead of coming ot the NHL.

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The finest European players want to play in the finest league, which happens to be the NHL. European leagues can identify themselves as "Elite" all they want, but it doesn't change the fact that the caliber of play is not of the same level. After two months of grueling playoffs, followed by a short summer to celebrate, then prepare for the next season, players would never go for the idea (as was already mentioned).

If this concept has any substance, let the European champion play against the AHL champion. The World Cup and the Olympics are the only international tournaments that matter.

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Interesting idea that would generate ALOT of cash.
They can make their own "Champions League", with 1 or 2 NHL teams in it.

This is interesting from the economic point of view.
And nice to watch too...

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I'd love to see it, but I think it would have to be scheduled like an exhibition game in the pre-season, as the Cup winner wouldn't want to cut into their recovery time in the off-season.

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If this concept has any substance, let the European champion play against the AHL champion. The World Cup and the Olympics are the only international tournaments that matter.
European clubs wouldn't be interested in playing against AHL teams.

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