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12-01-2010, 01:57 PM
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question run up the flag pole...

I am a Bruin fan and this trade I propose is meant to help my Bruins, but i live near Edmonton and listen to a lot of talk on 630 and 1260 and wonder how much appetite might be out there for my proposal today... any feedback is welcome...

my idea

Sheldon Souray
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Andrew Ference and Dan Paille.

my logic...
for Boston, we move what is effectively an overpaid number 5 dman who plays a very critical role in our team leadership and a 4th line PK specialist who has lost his job to a cheaper costing rookie and in return we get a guy that is in the minors for the rest of this season with no way to recall him without losing him on waivers.

it might seem like its a nothing for nothing trade... but Souray will be worth something next year. And maybe he can be brought up for the playoffs too?????? I wonder about that.. if he can be then I might even throw in a kid into the trade offer. I happen to think Souray is a 20 goal scoring PP artist when he is on a team he is happy with.

Now for Edmonton... I think they shouldnt try to wiggle into a playoff spot this year, so trading for alot of help is kind of dumb. A good draft pick is worth alot more then a 9th or 10th place finish in the playoff race.

The Oilers are losing way too many ugly games though and have a huge lack of quality leadership in their vets though.

Ference just breaths quality human out of every fiber of his being... his charity work with right to play is the source of legend... everywhere he goes, his teamates sing how quality he is. iginla loves him from his days in calgary. He did have some NHLPA issues in Boston, but chiarelli gave him 2.25 mill for 3 years for leadershop skills not his on ice.

Ference is from edmonton too... so hometown boy come home to be the elder vet on the blueline while the kids develop for the next few years...

Seems almost certain oilers are on their way to a top 3 pick no matter what they do... but its not good if the kids learn to lose. they have to go down fighting... getting lessons how to win.

Paille is a very very very good pk... and the oilers need a very good pk specialist. Paille is actually young enough that he might still be able to become a solid top 3 line guy...

im not saying Ference/Paille are gods gift to the NHL... but they would both play needed roles with Edmonton without costing edmonton a high draft pick.

would you fans move Souray for this package... give Boston some cap room to fit Sturm back onto the team

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12-01-2010, 02:01 PM
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And where do we sign?

Help yourself to a Strudwick or Vandermeerfrom of the clearance bin on your way out.

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I am a Bruin fan and this trade I propose is meant to help my Bruins, but i live near Edmonton and listen to a lot of talk on 630 and 1260 and wonder how much appetite might be out there for my proposal today... any feedback is welcome...

my idea

Sheldon Souray
for
Andrew Ference and Dan Paille.

my logic...
for Boston, we move what is effectively an overpaid number 5 dman who plays a very critical role in our team leadership and a 4th line PK specialist who has lost his job to a cheaper costing rookie and in return we get a guy that is in the minors for the rest of this season with no way to recall him without losing him on waivers.

it might seem like its a nothing for nothing trade... but Souray will be worth something next year. And maybe he can be brought up for the playoffs too?????? I wonder about that.. if he can be then I might even throw in a kid into the trade offer. I happen to think Souray is a 20 goal scoring PP artist when he is on a team he is happy with.

Now for Edmonton... I think they shouldnt try to wiggle into a playoff spot this year, so trading for alot of help is kind of dumb. A good draft pick is worth alot more then a 9th or 10th place finish in the playoff race.

The Oilers are losing way too many ugly games though and have a huge lack of quality leadership in their vets though.

Ference just breaths quality human out of every fiber of his being... his charity work with right to play is the source of legend... everywhere he goes, his teamates sing how quality he is. iginla loves him from his days in calgary. He did have some NHLPA issues in Boston, but chiarelli gave him 2.25 mill for 3 years for leadershop skills not his on ice.

Ference is from edmonton too... so hometown boy come home to be the elder vet on the blueline while the kids develop for the next few years...

Seems almost certain oilers are on their way to a top 3 pick no matter what they do... but its not good if the kids learn to lose. they have to go down fighting... getting lessons how to win.

Paille is a very very very good pk... and the oilers need a very good pk specialist. Paille is actually young enough that he might still be able to become a solid top 3 line guy...

im not saying Ference/Paille are gods gift to the NHL... but they would both play needed roles with Edmonton without costing edmonton a high draft pick.

would you fans move Souray for this package... give Boston some cap room to fit Sturm back onto the team
So, do you proopose the bruins to wait till the off season. Otherwise he will have to go thru re-entry waivers and one of the other ass sucking teams will grab him first at half his salary.

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You had me at "Sheldon Souray for...".

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what my thought is... boston is facing the possibility of putting ryder into the ahl so having a 4 mill salary down there isnt the worst thing imaginable... we may have to do it unless we can figure out other options.

i doubt souray can get back to the NHL this year... so anyone that has him is stuck paying his prorated 4.5 down in the ahl this year... nothing they can do about that.


i believe boston is strong enough to make the playoffs anyhow even without him... i do hope they can call him up at playoff time when the rosters expand... but if not i still do the trade for next year.

think of souray like a second rounder...

and think of ference and paillle as 3.2 mill in salary that boston can replace for around 1.5 mill.

and that 1.7 savings they can get helps keep ryder and savard and sturm in the lineup for playoff time.

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I salute this flag er, proposal.

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I wouldn't mind Ference on the team and think the deal could work if Boston goes for it. Maybe a late draft pick goes to the Islanders to make it a 3 way deal as they could claim Souray and then get compensated for helping us out.

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You had me at "Sheldon Souray for...".
And that's when I stopped reading and said the same thing too... and spilt some be..er, I mean coffee on my lap, ow that's cold. I meaN HOT, COFFEe IS HOT.

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Wait, we get SOMETHING for Souray?

Done. Signed. No trade backs!

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we get something for Souray--lets go

one problem

My understanding is that for the oilers to trade Souray's rights this year--the oiler would need to recall him and I do not see him making it through recall waivers.

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I wouldn't mind Ference on the team and think the deal could work if Boston goes for it. Maybe a late draft pick goes to the Islanders to make it a 3 way deal as they could claim Souray and then get compensated for helping us out.
The Islanders would be helping themselves by grabbing Souray off waivers at half his salary. We'd be stuck with the other half for this and next year. Me thinks we'd deserve the compensation.

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If someone just said "bring SS up on waivers and we'll take him, but we'll also say some bad things about him" the Oilers would throw in Taylor Hall.

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If someone just said "bring SS up on waivers and we'll take him, but we'll also say some bad things about him" the Oilers would throw in Taylor Hall.
I get your point. But I just wanna say that if that deal ever happened, I would turn into a mass murderer and visit everyone involved in the deal. Just saying. Just want to make that clear.

Fully committed, baby! FULLY committed!

On a serious note, thanks for using Souray's initials. His and Hall's names should never be in the same sentence!

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I get your point. But I just wanna say that if that deal ever happened, I would turn into a mass murderer and visit everyone involved in the deal. Just saying. Just want to make that clear.
I'm just the messenger, right? So you can scratch my name (Jarko Ruutu) off the list, k?

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The Islanders would be helping themselves by grabbing Souray off waivers at half his salary. We'd be stuck with the other half for this and next year. Me thinks we'd deserve the compensation.
This is what makes the deal work, the value isn't in Souray; it's in the salary we're paying and Boston gets a discount on. The draft pick to the Islanders would come from the Bruins

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This is what makes the deal work, the value isn't in Souray; it's in the salary we're paying and Boston gets a discount on. The draft pick to the Islanders would come from the Bruins
Now I'm confused. Does that loser not need to go through waivers before he's traded to the Bruins??

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Now I'm confused. Does that loser not need to go through waivers before he's traded to the Bruins??
Souray needs to clear re-entry before he can be traded... chances are, he won't

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Tambo: "Sheldon, we've traded you to the boston bruins, under the condition that you don't get claimed off of waivers"
Sheldon: "YES!!! FINALLY!"

24hrs later...
Tambo: "You've been claimed by the Toronto Maple Leafs."
Souray: "****"

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I'm an Oiler fan... living in Boston, and I wouldn't do this.

For one, it wouldn't work cause we wouldn't be able to bring Souray up from the minors without losing him and being stuck with 1/2 his caphit. Maybe if we could trade him and the Bruins could bring him up in the playoffs without consequence, but I don't think that works.

Also, say what you will, but Ference has a terrible contract. 3 years at 2 million+ for a bottom pairing defenseman? I compare him to the Staios contact, and we're lucky to be rid of that contract. I have no qualms with Paille, like his game.

Frankly, I think we can do better this offseason when Souray has 1 year left and *hopefully* has stayed healthy from here on out in the AHL and producing.

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we get something for Souray--lets go

one problem

My understanding is that for the oilers to trade Souray's rights this year--the oiler would need to recall him and I do not see him making it through recall waivers.
Bingo! So right now you are pretty much talking to NYI.

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Now I'm confused. Does that loser not need to go through waivers before he's traded to the Bruins??
Oilers bring Souray up from the minors.
Islanders claim him and immediately trade him to the Bruins for a 3rd round pick
Bruins send Ferrance to us for some minor league player

Islander get a free draft pick for doing very little = win
Oilers out a few million for two years and get Ference = win
Bruins get Souray at a significant discount for Ference and a draft pick = win

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Bingo! So right now you are pretty much talking to NYI.
Not exactly. It won't happen but they can trade him without re-calling him. It just means that the other team takes the onus of paying half of his salary for the next season and a half as well as losing an asset in the trade. Makes a ton of sense. This whole proposal makes no sense because of this clause. Oil won't take the risk, nevermind someone else.

Since the OP didn't acknowledge this. Sure you can have his rights for that package...

There will be bidders on the draft floor or at some other stage in the offseason. There is no doubt in my mind. We had a salary for salary offer in the offseason last year. It only gets sweeter next year.

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