Funny. Weren't you one of the guys that called out Price fans last year for wanting him to be traded so he can go to a better team and perform? Didn't you say that those people with the best interest of a player in mind instead of the team should GTFO. Funny you change your tune when it's about a player you like.
As for the play, both Cammy and Subban were brutal on that play. It's a team game so they should all get blame. Subban with a brutal game and a questionable pass. Cammy just plain give up. As soon as that puck left his stick, he didn't even make a second effort to poke check, let alone back check. They should both be ashamed of that effort. Subban's excuse is that he's a rookie still learning getting paid under a million. Cammy is a veteran in the league with a 6mil pay check who should be leading by example. What's his excuse?
1st. Cammalleri obviously was the one who turned the puck over, so he had a part of responsibility.
2nd. Not only did Subban pass the puck to Cammalleri, he and his D linemate were nowhere to be found on the breakaway. These two guys should have been covering the blueline until the puck got in the offensive zone. It's not normal to consider Cammalleri as the last obstacle when he's standing nearby the blueline.
As for the Price comparison, this is not the same thing at all. One decision had to be made, and you guys kept (just like in Cammy's case) discrediting Halak, saying how great Gorges and Gill were at protecting him and how the team-play scheme was the greatest reason for our success, and that Price would have done the same. Hell you guys even credited Kirk Muller for the team's success instead of Martin, because Muller quite obviously is an HF golden boy.
This year, the same thing is happening. People NEVER give any credit to Cammalleri and Gomez. But for all their slumps or mistakes, Gionta is getting a huge break, just as does Gorges, who according to people here, made Gill better than he is and not the other way around.
People here have their own golden boys. Their mistakes will go unnoticed, and no matter how productive a line was (2 out of 3 goals by Cammalleri and Gomez's line), they'll be criticized for a perfect contest of circumstances.
The players are so ****ing lucky to have another game tomorrow because JM would have bagskatted the **** out of them.
Thing is, aside from a few very acute defensive lapses, we didn't play like crap, rather we had a few crap plays that cost us. I think everyone showed up, but we are fighting over little plays a la "was it Souray or Kovalev". I thought the team overall played a great game, but we should have buried at least one more.
just like to say...i was hoping for a win mostly cuz I posted that we give Gomez a break yesterday in the "Gomez is the worst person ever" thread. So, yay for Gomer at least.
Seriously, this guy hates the wrong players and cheer for the guy that doesn't performed as they should despite being the two top paid players of the team.
But don't mess with him, he could buy you if he wants.
lol great, i could use a little extra money. he should ask cammy to help chip in
but when i bring up cammy's poor play, im talking about all game long, i remember him being more intense then that, and the things he's usualy amazing at, shooting or creating a play, they are just very very lacking right now..
Subban had his worst game of the season, these guys gotta wake up fast.
gomez didnt play too bad i thought, ..but moens got to get off that line...
Don't care who they lost to...it was blowing a 3-1 lead in the 3rd and giving up a shortie to boot. The last two goals were just plain awful decisions by the Habs.
**** happens....better come out flying tomorrow night, though.
And the Bruins blew a 3-0 series lead against the Flyers. The world kept turning, and the Bruins are still a good hockey team.
The shortie? That was a freaking PERFECT shot. We we're absolute destined to lose this game and that goal absolutely proves it. Did Subban **** up on the PP? Yup. However Spacek played that 2-on-1 perfectly and Price played his angles *almost* perfectly... There was an opening just big enough to get the puck in and it just happened to go in. It was a perfect play by Gagner, if that puck doesn't go in odds are we settle down and hold them off.
I'll be more concerned if we come out flat tomorrow... I really want to see us get over our Devils curse.
Did you guys watch Cam before he came to Montreal? HE'S A SNIPER! He's at his best when he's being fed pucks at the top of the circle where he can one time them. Think, when's the last time Cam one-timed a shot from the top of the circle? Playing with Gomez and Moen...has completely changed him....he's trying to do too much.
He has never been a good backchecker or good defensively. That's not what he's paid for.
He screwed up on the game winner, OK. Let it go, move on.
Agreed. He's not paid to be excellent defensively but you at least expect effort from a guy that's being paid big time money. I don't think anyone is complaining that he isn't better defensively, but they're complaining about the fact that he gave up on that play completely.
Seriously, this guy hates the wrong players and cheer for the guy that doesn't performed as they should despite being the two top paid players of the team.
But don't mess with him, he could buy you if he wants.
When someone tells you to go get a job, this is a logical answer. Especially when it actually might not be far-fetched.
As for salaries, I don't give a flying crap. To me, it's all about what a player gives to his team.
Hates the wrong players? No. It just take more for me to be impressed than a random puck flying to the helmet of a guy. I also am capable of seeing the whole forest, whereas most of you are already looking to drop Cammalleri, waive Gomez or better yet, get Subban in the AHL after one tough game.
This game illustrate perfectly why PK Subban should not be playing in the NHL right now. He needs more seasoning in the farm club if we don't want him to bust, or worse, become like Mike Green.
Once again some people are in an argument over Cammalleri, but I have yet to wonder what the **** did Gomez do potentially wrong at all tonight. And I've not been all that kind to him so far this season.
1st. Cammalleri obviously was the one who turned the puck over, so he had a part of responsibility.
2nd. Not only did Subban pass the puck to Cammalleri, he and his D linemate were nowhere to be found on the breakaway. These two guys should have been covering the blueline until the puck got in the offensive zone. It's not normal to consider Cammalleri as the last obstacle when he's standing nearby the blueline.
As for the Price comparison, this is not the same thing at all. One decision had to be made, and you guys kept (just like in Cammy's case) discrediting Halak, saying how great Gorges and Gill were at protecting him and how the team-play scheme was the greatest reason for our success, and that Price would have done the same. Hell you guys even credited Kirk Muller for the team's success instead of Martin, because Muller quite obviously is an HF golden boy.
This year, the same thing is happening. People NEVER give any credit to Cammalleri and Gomez. But for all their slumps or mistakes, Gionta is getting a huge break, just as does Gorges, who according to people here, made Gill better than he is and not the other way around.
People here have their own golden boys. Their mistakes will go unnoticed, and no matter how productive a line was (2 out of 3 goals by Cammalleri and Gomez's line), they'll be criticized for a perfect contest of circumstances.
Yeah. This is right.
It's not any different at all. By saying, "you wish cammy was traded so people can moan about him scoring against us or so that people will appreciate his talents more", it's the same thing as putting the interest of one particular player over the interest of the team. Something you crucified many pro Price fans for. But when it's your turn to do the same, you back-pedal.
I guess your golden boy has you blinded.
I'm not even saying Cammy is horrible or bad. He's a great sniper and a great teammate and I love him on my favorite team. But he clearly was lackluster in the game deciding play and that's what people are angry about. And it's interesting to see you deflect blame to other players, like Price and other forwards just to absolve Cammy of guilt. You sound like the Price fans of last year.
As soon as Subban picked up the puck I was expecting him to rush it up the ice, I wonder if maybe he had a talking too after that short handed goal. It seemed like he was forcing a pass that he normally wouldn't have made, maybe trying to play it safe, when typically he'd be leading the rush. Just my two cents.
You make a good point, and given it was his buddy Cammy (who he prolly felt he let down on the last goal) guess he thought he'd give it to him and jump into a rush with him. It would have made more sense habit-wise for him to rush it. Ironic outcome, huh?
It's not any different at all. By saying, "you wish cammy was traded so people can moan about him scoring against us or so that people will appreciate his talents more", it's the same thing as putting the interest of one particular player over the interest of the team. Something you crucified many pro Price fans for. But when it's your turn to do the same, you back-pedal.
I guess your golden boy has you blinded.
I'm not even saying Cammy is horrible or bad. But he clearly was lackluster in the game deciding play and that's what people are angry about. And it's interesting to see you deflect blame to other players, like Price and other forwards just to absolve Cammy of guilt. You sound like the Price fans of last year.
For the last time: CAMMALLERI obviously has some part of responsibilities. But singling him out and calling him a tool and the only responsible on the play? It's not right. Neither is it to actually suggest Subban is AHL material.
Agreed. He's not paid to be excellent defensively but you at least expect effort from a guy that's being paid big time money. I don't think anyone is complaining that he isn't better defensively, but they're complaining about the fact that he gave up on that play completely.
Some posters have crapped on his defensive play, so that's who my post was directed at.
But yes, the effort on that play was pretty disappointing. I believe he was at the end of a shift, but still no excuse. With that said, there was no way the Habs were winning this game, and it shouldn't have even gotten to this point. habs are lucky they got a point. The Oilers big speedy wingers took over. Hate to beat a dead horse, but we really need more size/toughness on the top 6.
Don't worry, you guys have a great team that should be in win now mode. You have fantastic coaching as well. Price is really taking giant steps towards becoming elite. Everyone should know that the Oilers have some serious skilled youth and fire power up front, and every once in awhile they're going to go on a tear and embarrass superior teams, but face it, the Oil are so young and the team has such glaring holes, for every two games like this we will have eight games strugling to stay above water. On most nights you handle us easily.
Funny thing is, before the 3rd goal, anybody remember what a great play (hand eye) PK made to keep the puck in (on that PP) when it was surely going out? 2 seconds later... ooolaloolalooo
Dude was at the end of a shift and had no gaz left. Do you actually think a guy like Cammalleri, who actually does care about the success of his team, would have just stopped skating like this. As if he ever did this in the first place.
If you want to blame Cammalleri for anything, blame him for not going back to the bench earlier. But to say he stopped skating basically "for the lolz"? Geez you guys sure show how behind this player you are eh? Especially since, for some reason, none of the two d-men were covering Cammalleri when Penner got his break.
If Price wants to blame anyone, he should look at himself in a mirror and re-thing how he let that 3rd goal in when Spacek perfectly played the passing option.
Im willing to let that pass to be completely honest, Price is the only reason we are semi competent this season. I think it's reasonable to allow a bad one here or there, that puck just had eyes. TBH
And the Bruins blew a 3-0 series lead against the Flyers. The world kept turning, and the Bruins are still a good hockey team.
The shortie? That was a freaking PERFECT shot. We we're absolute destined to lose this game and that goal absolutely proves it. Did Subban **** up on the PP? Yup. However Spacek played that 2-on-1 perfectly and Price played his angles *almost* perfectly... There was an opening just big enough to get the puck in and it just happened to go in. It was a perfect play by Gagner, if that puck doesn't go in odds are we settle down and hold them off.
I'll be more concerned if we come out flat tomorrow... I really want to see us get over our Devils curse.
Agree with you, I'm not panicking or slitting my wrists....just hate when they lose the winnable games.
It's weird though... This team plays the same way every game.....they're way too dependent on the goalie. When Price struggles (and he will struggle, all goalies do) this team will go into a tailspin.
If Price was ordinary this year, Habs would be right where the Leafs are.
It's weird though... This team plays the same way every game.....they're way too dependent on the goalie. When Price struggles (and he will struggle, all goalies do) this team will go into a tailspin.
I'm also concerned when all the streaky scorers on this team go cold at the same time. Then even when Price plays huge, there'll be no run support....
