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12-05-2010, 12:02 PM
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Somebody needs to step up to the plate for Kassian. Say what you will but teams will kick themselves if they don't acquire a guy like this. As Rychel said Kassian was a force in the Memorial Cup nobody from the WHL wanted to go near him and that's the big bad WHL. I would even go as far to say another team to get Kassian should really consider getting a 3rd team involved to make it happen. Looking forward to his final search and destroy mission on Thursday against the Sault.

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^I think Owen Sound would be a great fit for Kassian. Saginaw could really use him as well, but don't have the players to make it happen. Trocheck is seemingly off-limits and Camara, Kea are not looking like the high end talent we'd expect in return.

I really want Jarrod Maidens now. They need to go for it this year as all their top scorers are graduating. They also could have an OA opening to improve themselves further as Liam Heelis has a whole four points since November 1st.

Something like the Pietranglo deal return -
Kassian and Johnston for Maidens two seconds, a third and a ninth.

If we could get that, then Ellis to Mississauga for Rychel, Percy and 3-4 midround type picks 3rds-7ths types would be fine by me.

We'd have four '94 first rounders - Maidens, Ebert, Rychel and Webermin to go along with Clarke, Barber, Vail, Deeley from this past draft class. Along with our 93's - Khokhlachev, Duininck, Trojanovic, Locke, Percy and having our own first and two seconds in the upcoming draft we'd really have a solid core to grow with.

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12-05-2010, 01:59 PM
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Libbs is right. Kassian is one of the best overall forwards in the league right now, so his value IS up there with Tavares. This kid could put up 3-4 points a game AND destroy your toughest guy without thinking twice. How many forwards in the league can do that, right now?

BTW, if I'm talking to OS about anyone, it's Fritsch.

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I still think it is going to be a team like Erie that comes up with an offer that Rychel can't refuse if they are dealt together. I believe they have the draft picks as well as the 93s and Marchese as a 94. I know most think Erie is a place that they won't want to report but they have come on lately after their slow start.

Does anyone feel a team like Oshawa would make a play to add this season?

I know they are young and building more for the next two seasons but if they could add a goaltender and a responsible two way forward does anyone think they would make an early push?

I know they would not be in on the Ellis/Kassian bidding but maybe a few others would be of interest to them.

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If Oshawa is in play, Laughton better be in the talks.

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I don't think Fritsch would be moved because he's an important part to this years team. Spits traded Watson because he wasn't a top six and we'd be getting two years of Kassian.

Regarding Erie coming out of nowhere, the problem with that in the no-trade clauses both Ellis and Kassian have. Ellis isn't going to go to a long shot team if he agrees to move.

If Oshawa makes a move it will be for an 18 yr old who would be back next year. They're not looking at rent-a-players at this stage.

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If Oshawa makes a move it will be for an 18 yr old who would be back next year. They're not looking at rent-a-players at this stage.
Thats it right there.

Also, the biggest area of concern for the Generals is goaltending, and if that is something they are looking to fix, then Barrie and DiSalvo make alot of sense.

I do not see a fit for Oshawa.

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I get a kick out of the talk on the Noof about Kassian not being worth what Tavares was worth. A one dimensional shooter who needs good players around him to look effective, Tavares was a non factor in the playoffs and able to be intimidated. Kassian however owns the puck along the boards and makes a 13th round pick rookie on his line look like the second coming of Ernie Godden. Its almost comical that they pretend Tavares was so special and valuable, once he came to the West he was just another power play specialist with a nice shot. Yawn.
Right on Jug. Kassian has made Locke look like a world beater and I always felt that Windsor would never get full value for him, so why trade him. I would rather see Johnson and Ryan go for some picks and keep Kass. Ellis will go to Missy only because of Rychel's kid and we will get less than fair value. Rychel and Percy and some mid picks is a terrible trade for Ellis but that is what could happen.

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Thats it right there.

Also, the biggest area of concern for the Generals is goaltending, and if that is something they are looking to fix, then Barrie and DiSalvo make alot of sense.

I do not see a fit for Oshawa.
I dont think Oshawa bites but if they did and had an OA spot...Kassian and Passingham is a pretty sweet tandem.

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^I think Owen Sound would be a great fit for Kassian. Saginaw could really use him as well, but don't have the players to make it happen. Trocheck is seemingly off-limits and Camara, Kea are not looking like the high end talent we'd expect in return.

I really want Jarrod Maidens now. They need to go for it this year as all their top scorers are graduating. They also could have an OA opening to improve themselves further as Liam Heelis has a whole four points since November 1st.

Something like the Pietranglo deal return -
Kassian and Johnston for Maidens two seconds, a third and a ninth.

If we could get that, then Ellis to Mississauga for Rychel, Percy and 3-4 midround type picks 3rds-7ths types would be fine by me.

We'd have four '94 first rounders - Maidens, Ebert, Rychel and Webermin to go along with Clarke, Barber, Vail, Deeley from this past draft class. Along with our 93's - Khokhlachev, Duininck, Trojanovic, Locke, Percy and having our own first and two seconds in the upcoming draft we'd really have a solid core to grow with.

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Campbell out tonight with a bruised knee. Hopefully Passer can duplicate his solid play from last night.

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Kassian now moves into 5th in the scoring race. 46 points in 24 games.

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I wonder if it was a bruised knee or a chance to show Oshawa what Passingham is capable of? Also of interest to me is the fact that the almighty Murphy in Kitchener is a measley 3 points ahead of Ellis in the scoring race now with a much stronger supporting cast. Who's the best offensive d man in the OHL? Yup, its Ellis.

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12-05-2010, 09:26 PM
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^Ellis is also playing 40 minutes a game. The almighty Murphy is also 17 yrs old. Is Ellis the better player this year - sure. But I'm not going to begrudge Ranger fans for being excited about their kid either.

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I wonder if it was a bruised knee or a chance to show Oshawa what Passingham is capable of? Also of interest to me is the fact that the almighty Murphy in Kitchener is a measley 3 points ahead of Ellis in the scoring race now with a much stronger supporting cast. Who's the best offensive d man in the OHL? Yup, its Ellis.
Campbell definitely hurt his knee during warmups on Thursday.

Within about 2-3 minutes of warmups starting, Cambell limped to the dressing room, favoring his knee. About 10 minutes later he came out again, stretched, took about 5 or 6 shots, and then headed back to the dressing room. I thought for sure that Malecki would end up starting, but that did not happen.

I was very surprised to see Campbell start on Thursday after spending most of warm ups in the dressing room. He did end up playing the entire game, but hasn't played since, although I'm pretty sure he dressed for the Peterborough game last night.

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12-05-2010, 10:11 PM
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Regarding the noof discussion on your youngsters and their lack of playing time.

Play-offs equal money. Even being eliminated in a four game sweep is two sell-outs. Now 6000 attendance x $25 average ticket = $150,000 x 2 home games is $300K. Now who knows how much of that the Spits make, but that's also not taking into account concessions, advertising revenues and merchandising.

Webermin doesn't play because he's too small. 6'1" 165lbs, they're trying to get weight/bulk on him. At least that's their story and they're sticking to it. Webermin was a project stretch pick that WR tried to get cute with. He should be playing a lower tier hockey in the States, but WR used a first round pick on him, because he might have been gone when the Spits picked again in the second.

Vail is struggling mightily and nobody expected this. However playing on a line with Clouthier and Czinder isn't going to get his offensive game going. If the Spits weren't worried about wins and losses they'd put Vail on a line with Kassian and Koko.

Once Ellis is traded there will be 40 minutes a game the Spits have to give to somebody. If Trojanovic and Webermin are not splitting a good portion of that between them then we'll really have problems.

If the Spits missed on Webermin and Vail then their big rebuild is already in big time trouble. Not to mention there complete lack of playing time might just keep Barber away as well.

Jones has pretty much been a disaster. Too worried about wins than developing the kids. Maybe that comes from Boughner and Rychel or maybe it's a first time head coach worried about his W-L record. Either way it's disappointing.

Of course he'd point to Locke, Koko and Ebert as his successes. Koko and ebert are all-world talent for their respective ages, and Locke disappears unless he is on a line with Kassian, but that wouldn't matter.


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Regarding the noof discussion on your youngsters and their lack of playing time.

Play-offs equal money. Even being eliminated in a four game sweep is two sell-outs. Now 6000 attendance x $25 average ticket = $150,000 x 2 home games is $300K. Now who knows how much of that the Spits make, but that's also not taking into account concessions, advertising revenues and merchandising.

Webermin doesn't play because he's too small. 6'1" 165lbs, they're trying to get weight/bulk on him.

Vail is struggling mightily and nobody expected this. However playing on a line with Clouthier and Czinder isn't going to get his offensive game going. If the Spits weren't worried about wins and losses they'd put Vail on a line with Kassian and Koko.

Once Ellis is traded there will be 40 minutes a game the Spits have to give to somebody. If Trojanovic and Webermin are not splitting a good portion of that between them then we'll really have problems.

If the Spits missed on Webermin and Vail then their big rebuild is already in big time trouble. Not to mention there complete lack of playing time might just keep Barber away as well.

Jones has pretty much been a disaster. Too worried about wins than developing the kids.
I say wait until once the World Junior tourny starts and after the trade deadline passes. I think they will get a ton of playing time the second half.

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I'm not going to blame Jones on that, though. Windsor fans (in general) have this "winning is everything" mentality after the two Cups. Trying to sell this fan base that rebuilding is the way to go, meaning losing 2/3 of our games, is incredibly tough. I'm sure management knows this, too. They're trying to win games, while still developing, and it's not always easy.

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^How can fans not see the rebuild when Shugg and Cantin are traded before the season starts for a 16 yr old and a 2013 second rounder and then once Fowler officially stays in Anaheim he's quoted in the Windsor Star saying Kassian and Ellis are open for trade offers?

You sell this season as "Come watch the next wave earn their wings".

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That doesn't mean fans WANT the rebuild. They've had two Cups and, with Kassian and Ellis returning, they want more. I'd bet if you took 50 random people per section and asked them flat out "rebuild or go for a third Cup", 70-75% would say third Cup.

I'd love to see a good rebuild because we know what it can produce. Doesn't mean the patience amongst the 6,500 Spits faithful is there, though.

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That doesn't mean fans WANT the rebuild. They've had two Cups and, with Kassian and Ellis returning, they want more. I'd bet if you took 50 random people per section and asked them flat out "rebuild or go for a third Cup", 70-75% would say third Cup.

I'd love to see a good rebuild because we know what it can produce. Doesn't mean the patience amongst the 6,500 Spits faithful is there, though.

Ask those same people how many were around for the 06/07 season (or better yet, any time of the Riolo era) and I bet those same 70-75% didn't start following the team until the last 2 years.

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^Ellis is also playing 40 minutes a game. The almighty Murphy is also 17 yrs old. Is Ellis the better player this year - sure. But I'm not going to begrudge Ranger fans for being excited about their kid either.
Nobody is begrudging the Kitchener fans, but I have heard plenty of smack about how the (cut by team Canada) superstar Murphy is better than Ellis and I don't buy it. Now the stats are starting to show that. Is he decent? Sure. Is he better than Ellis? Not in a million years. Maybe he's a better skater but Ellis' shot is a far more dangerous weapon than Murphy's speed. A big shot won't put you out of position like the speed will. Let the Kitchener fans be excited but also make sure they bow down and pay tribute to the guy who's truly the best while they are at it. Ryan Ellis.

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I dont think that book is the one Patrick King was talking about. His book is about following the Spitfires behind the scenes for the memorial cup run I believe. This book looks lame by comparison, especially since Duff is one of the writers. That guy is a clown and a half and I'll not spend a penny on anything he has something to do with, I'm going to wait for King's book. I sent Patrick a message a month or so ago asking him about his book and he said it wasn't a finished product yet. I'm sure he'll mention when it will be available.
My apologies for not including an update sooner on the progress of my book. I wanted to let everyone know it's still currently a work-in-progress at this time. I wish it could have been done quicker for everyone looking forward to it, but I have a set of standards and wouldn't feel comfortable releasing the book earlier if it meant I wasn't satisfied to stand behind it.

I appreciate everyone's patience and understanding. I'm confident the finished product will be worth the wait, but don't have an official release date as of yet. I will post an update when I have those details in this thread.

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Here's another thing about not trading Kassian and Ellis because losses will rack up attendance will plummet - What happens next year if we keep them?

The kids are not properly developed because Kassian plays 25+ minutes a game, Ellis plays 40 minutes a game and Campbell and Passingham share the goaltending duties.

Kassian, Ellis, Kenny Ryan, Kuhnhackl and possibly Campbell move on.

You trade both now and have half a bad season but really sets up the next 2-3 years to be competitive, or you go for it this year and ridiculously suck the next two years and not near good enough to get the Memorial Cup hosting gig in 2014.

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Here's another thing about not trading Kassian and Ellis because losses will rack up attendance will plummet - What happens next year if we keep them?

The kids are not properly developed because Kassian plays 25+ minutes a game, Ellis plays 40 minutes a game and Campbell and Passingham share the goaltending duties.

Kassian, Ellis, Kenny Ryan, Kuhnhackl and possibly Campbell move on.

You trade both now and have half a bad season but really sets up the next 2-3 years to be competitive, or you go for it this year and ridiculously suck the next two years and not near good enough to get the Memorial Cup hosting gig in 2014.
Attendance isn't going to plummet they have 5200 guaranteed every game already . I am willing to bet with or without Kassian and Ellis they will get 600-800 walkup for a home game.

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