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12-01-2010, 10:22 AM
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Rangers Islanders Rivalry - The Home an Home Pre Game

Being a bit older than many of the posters here I probably have more highs and lows associated with this rivalry but I'm glad it's still alive. We are blessed in NY to have multiple teams, three really, that sustain a good healthy rivalry.

I always feel that the Islanders, regardless, of the standings get way up for these games vs the Rangers. And there was a time when the roles were reversed. Have bittersweet memories, many of them, of watching Mike Bossy and Trotts celebrating those goals in the corner, red light on... the Garden goes silent....

When the Islanders had the Dynasty, the 4 cups and the years leading up to that dominance the Rangers had a pretty good team. There were some epically good games between these two teams and although there was respect, they didnt really like each other.

I'd like to hear other posters memories and appreciation for this wonderful rivalry.

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For all the well deserved hype the Gilles Trotts and Bossy received it was the Banana Line that gave MSG fits.

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Rivalry is dying out due to an increased younger fanbase (who don't have the satisfaction of realizing the importance of some playoff series between the two, and the past), the Islanders' stroll into the bottom of the standings each and every year, and the fact that the young emerging players that each team is drafting starts to play and doesn't know much about the rivalry. They really don't care imo. Just another game, as it happens to be against a team from the other state.

I could see if the Islanders were more competitive, but really, I don't see how anyone (at least if you're not an older Ranger fan), can't hate the Devils, Flyers, or even Pittsburgh more than the Islanders.

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i'm 22 years old, i'm not going to pretend like I was around for the classic Rangers/Isles rivalry, sure there's Potvin Sucks, but i agree that our main hatred should go to everyone else in our division besides the Isles. God, i hate Sidney Crosby so much.

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I'd like to hear other posters memories and appreciation for this wonderful rivalry.
-I remember Gillies putting his fist through Boxcars skull. Gillies was one of the scariest guys I ever saw. He looked like a neanderthal that was just thawed out of ice.

-I remember Nystrom trying to headbutt George McPhee in a fight. Which was nothing abnormal for that slime ball. Since most of his fights involved him pulling someones hair or headbutting them when the linesman came in.

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One thing I love is this is a true home and home. I wish the NHL would schedule more home and homes. Adds animosity and an edge to the games.

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I agree that back in the day the teams really didnt like each other and it added to the rivalry between teams.... and this

I grew up in the heart of Islander country a 3rd generation Ranger fan. I was forced to watch the whole world jump on the Islanders bandwagon and reap the rewards. I always stayed true to the Rangers......I had many intense debates with my friends over the pros and cons of the teams.

Back then Stan Fishler was the face of the Islander media, Still sort of dont like him because of that...

I hated the Islanders back then.... today I have nostalgic love for the old dynasty and how cool it is that it even existed, and just how good that team was....


For the young fans Bossy = Crosby

He was the poster child for Islander hate, and he also whined, and he was also like the greatest pure goal scoring sniper you'd ever seen play and you wished he was on your team.... secretly of course.

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-I remember Gillies putting his fist through Boxcars skull. Gillies was one of the scariest guys I ever saw. He looked like a neanderthal that was just thawed out of ice.

-I remember Nystrom trying to headbutt George McPhee in a fight. Which was nothing abnormal for that slime ball. Since most of his fights involved him pulling someones hair or headbutting them when the linesman came in.
Gilles was a good hockey player AND he knew his role. NOBODY messed with Mike Bossy without a STIFF, QUICK RESPONSE

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Sorry that we can't deliver, once again. Sorry for our owner, sorry for our GM, and I'm sorry for our situation. I'm sorry that a once great rivalry is now nothing more than a joke between an actual NHL team and a circus.

I expect that you guys are going to cakewalk through these two games one way or another. If the Isles get a point out of this I'll be shocked.

Again, sorry that the other NY team can't ever put a good team on the ice. A real shame and a slap in the face to NHL fans who once remember what this rivalry was.

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i have been watching hockey for the past 30+ years, so I have seen the good and bad on both teams.

But yes.. the rivalry is much more passionate in the stands than on the ice. And even with the Isles being a disaster in so many ways for the past 10+ years, the Isles/Rangers games have always been sellouts.

Until last year and this past game at Nassau Dumpiseum. Granted, it was a Monday, afternoon, holiday, but the isles/rangers game wasnt a sellout. Even when the Rangers fans take up more than 50%, it still wasnt sold out.

Pretty sad.

Just goes to show that when neither team is doing well, the attendance really falls. hopefully we can get the passsion on the ice that mirrors the hatred the fans have...

oh yeah.. and Crosby is a much better skater than Bossy ever was. Of course, Boss could snap one in the net before the goalies head ever moved....

heres to a good two games!

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Sorry that we can't deliver, once again. Sorry for our owner, sorry for our GM, and I'm sorry for our situation. I'm sorry that a once great rivalry is now nothing more than a joke between an actual NHL team and a circus.

I expect that you guys are going to cakewalk through these two games one way or another. If the Isles get a point out of this I'll be shocked.

Again, sorry that the other NY team can't ever put a good team on the ice. A real shame and a slap in the face to NHL fans who once remember what this rivalry was.
Don't be so hard on yourself.

No, seriously, the things I said weren't meant in a mean way. That's just the way it has been. I've been expecting the Isles to eventually become competitive but it hasn't happened. Maybe soon.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if the Islanders get 2 or even 4 points out of this home-and-home. It is very possible. The Rangers might be the only team they consistently win against.

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Sorry that we can't deliver, once again. Sorry for our owner, sorry for our GM, and I'm sorry for our situation. I'm sorry that a once great rivalry is now nothing more than a joke between an actual NHL team and a circus.

I expect that you guys are going to cakewalk through these two games one way or another. If the Isles get a point out of this I'll be shocked.

Again, sorry that the other NY team can't ever put a good team on the ice. A real shame and a slap in the face to NHL fans who once remember what this rivalry was.
Nothing in the past leans towards cakewalk. Islanders always get up for these games, especially at home where the Ranger fans invade. No fun having your building taken over by the rivals.

Plus the Rangers have an awful habit of playing down to the competition

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oh yeah.. and Crosby is a much better skater than Bossy ever was. Of course, Boss could snap one in the net before the goalies head ever moved....

heres to a good two games!
Im sure its been debated... Crosby is of the new NHL...Hes stronger and faster etc.... all these guys are in general. But really Bossy was the best goal scorer perhaps ever imo. His shot was off the hook.

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I get a sense the past few years that the Ranger players just have no respect or belief that the Isles are any good at all. They just seem to believe they are A LOT better than the Isles. They take the Isles very lightly and sometimes it backfirers on them.

Just looking at the isles roster this year with the injuries and etc, they must have half of team with AHL players. It is actually quite comical and a disaster right now.

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But yes.. the rivalry is much more passionate in the stands than on the ice.
I don't think I entirely agree with that. Gordon's Isles in particular seemed to elevate their game beyond the usual level of play against the Rangers.

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I love threads like these. Can get to read some good perspectives and experiences of the rivalry when it was booming. Hope to see good ones.

What I enjoy the most about this rivalry, is how the Rangers and Islanders fans live amongst each other. That's probably the biggest reason why it lives. The players can feed off of the enthusiasm from the fans.

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The Islanders in their heyday had some very unlikable players peppered into a very talented hard working team.

Nystrom, Howatt, Billy Smith, Potvin

oddly enough Chico was pretty likable back then... kind of like the Ringo of hockey

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One thing I love is this is a true home and home. I wish the NHL would schedule more home and homes. Adds animosity and an edge to the games.
I agree with this. Especially with more vs NJ, NYI, and PHI

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I would be shocked if this wasn't a split, 3pts to 3pts. If the Rangers sweep, I will be absolutely surprised.

I remember Peca kneeing and tearing Lundmark's knee, this after Peca got low-bridged by Tucker. For this reason alone I hate Peca and was very much against him coming here as a rumor prior to him signing with Columbus. I hate Peca.

My favorite memory is the Santa Clause incident during a December intermission between the Isles and I think the Flyers. Anyone dressed as Santa could get on the ice. Suddenly 2 Santas removed their jackets to reveal Ranger jerseys. A brawl broke out and they were escorted out of the arena. You couldn't make that story up.

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its a shame i dont have much to add to this thread.

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Position in the standings mean nothing when these two teams play each other. Hell, I think the lifetime record between the two is dead even. I'm a 30+ year fan and have never felt like we should win or lose any time.

Too many great Ranger/Isles moments over those years, but I'd have to say my favorite moment was the '94 sweep.

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My sweetest Isles-Rangers memory was the 1994 playoffs, first round Rangers sweep. I was only 9 when the Islanders won their last cup so i missed alot of the great battles of the early 80's. My clearest memories started in the late 80's, but that sweep in 94 was absolutely huge . I don't know if it's even moreso for me as a Rangers Fan that grew up in suffolk county long island, surround by Islanders fans, and players actually. We lived near wayne Merrick and Bobby Nystrom growing up, Later Kasparitus and Kelly Hrudey moved into the neighborhood. All the kids were Isles fans....I just had to be different and chose the Rangers. Loved the Red, White and Blue!
Long Story short though, in 1993 after dismantling the defending cup champ Penguins, everybody I knew thought the Isles were winning the cup....well, they ran into Patrick Roy on the way and came up short in the conference finals. That next year, all year I heard the Isles were winning the cup, when the season ended with the Rangers winning the presidents trophy and the Isles in the 8th seed, I can honestly tell you I was scared crap that they were going to beat us and I'd have to hear it all for another year....Well, we all know what happened next, the brooms came out and swept the isles under the rug...it was the proverbial nail in the islandes coffin as they missed the playoffs the next 7-8 yrs i believe, they absolutely stunk....drafted gems and traded them all away....

great time for a rangers fan surround by isles fans

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Having been a die hard Ranger fan from Long Island during the Islander heyday(the Islanders won 4 Cups in my 4 High School years) I have appreciation for how great that team was but even in Islander Territory the fans were 50-50 from what I remember. The rivalry was so intense especially in 1975 and 1979 during the playoffs. Then the Isles dominated for the next decade and were truly hated. I remember going to a regular season game at MSG when after the game the Islanders bus was literally attacked with beer bottles being thrown at it and it being shook by Rangers fans until I believe one of the Sutter Brothers got out and started challenging the fans to a fight. I still believe that if Potvin doen,t break Ulf Nilson,s ankle in 1979 the Rangers beat Montreal for the Cup. Younger fans will never experience the intense hatred the 2 teams along with their respective fans had. When they played in the playoffs every bar was packed and tickets were next to impossible to get. We will Never see a local rivalry like this again. It is 10 times intense as the Mets/Yankees in my opinion . And POTVIN SUCKS! will live forever.

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Position in the standings mean nothing when these two teams play each other. Hell, I think the lifetime record between the two is dead even. I'm a 30+ year fan and have never felt like we should win or lose any time.
very true, the record is extremely close, i remember hearing about how it was like 98-97 or something like that on tv a few years ago.

after looking online i found this on wikipedia:

"As of 2008, the Rangers and Islanders are tied in the all-time series with 100 wins, 100 losses (including overtime and shootout losses), and 19 ties. In the playoffs, however, the Islanders hold the lead with a 20-19 record, and have won five of the eight playoff series' between the two teams."

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I don't think I entirely agree with that. Gordon's Isles in particular seemed to elevate their game beyond the usual level of play against the Rangers.
Absolutely, and I honestly don't expect these two games to be any different.

The Islanders may be icing a borderline AHL squad, but when they play the Rangers, they play like they're winning the cup afterwards. It should still be an intense, hard-fought round of games.

If the Isles don't manage a point out of one of these games, I'll actually be (pleasantly) surprised. That's not a shot at the Rangers as much as it is a credit to the Isles.

This is also still the best rivalry, right along with the Devils, the Rangers have, imo.

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