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12-03-2010, 09:32 PM
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This ****ing sucks...how much bad karma did we have accumulated to deserve this???


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12-03-2010, 09:40 PM
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We're talking about the same Markov right?
Yeah the guy that's played an average 15 games the last two seasons

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12-03-2010, 09:47 PM
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Just to remind everbody.

Gaborik played 65-48-77-17 games over the post-lockout seasons, before signing a 5 years contract, 7.5M$ cap hit.

You could ask if this is one of the Sather's great ideas.


Tim Connolly : 63-2-48-48 games.
The Sabres then decided to keep him with a 3 years contract, cap hit of 4.5M$.

Martin Havlat : 18-56-35-81 games.
He got a 6 years contract for a 5M$ cap hit with the Wild.

And we could keep going on. (Justin Williams, Gonchar, Sullivan...)
Healthy or not, GM dont care that much about that, as long as the player is a good one.

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12-03-2010, 09:51 PM
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Lol ridiculous how many people willing to just part ways with Markov...

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12-03-2010, 09:59 PM
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Lol ridiculous how many people willing to just part ways with Markov...
The Sharks will gladly take him if the Habs don't want him

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12-03-2010, 10:00 PM
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I wouldn't part with him, but your out of your mind if you think Ownership would let PG sign Markov to a longterm deal, even at 4-5 mill. I honestly feel like if it didn't happen in the canes game it would of happened by now. Thats just me though. You have to at least take it very cautiously with him for a year or two. With the amount of injuries his lower body has been through who knows how effective he will be.

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12-03-2010, 10:08 PM
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IMO Markov will be back because he wants to play for the Habs, although he probably won't get a big increase in salary and a long-term deal.

In the meantime Gauthier doesn't have many trading options. The only near-equivalent to Markov is playing for teh Toronto Maple Leafs and it's doubtful that they and the Habs could settle on a fair trade, not to mention Kubina's expiring contract even if he's willing to be traded.

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12-03-2010, 10:09 PM
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5 years, 4.5-5 per year.

He'll get even more than that from other teams but I think this is good value for both sides and that Markov will choose to remain a Hab.
**** it. Let's roll with this.

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12-03-2010, 10:10 PM
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Bobby orr knees, I see markov retiring in the next couple of seasons

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12-03-2010, 10:25 PM
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...with the possibility of him returning in the 3rd or 4th round of the playoffs if we're still playing by then...
He is not coming back unless it's a game-7 Stanley Cup final, and even then.

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Matt Cooke and Eric Staal, I HATE both of you.
To tell you the truth, I hate Grabovski more than Cooke/Staal. First serious injury if I remember right. Grabovski was the only useless hit (6-2 w/ 7 minutes left).

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12-03-2010, 10:26 PM
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habs will resign markov. he wants to be here and habs want him here + gambling on UFA's being available is idiotic.
weber may be here..but we have 3 guys over 35...is nash ready next year? tinordi certainly won't be.
they can't afford to gamble and let markov walk

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12-03-2010, 10:40 PM
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Bobby orr knees, I see markov retiring in the next couple of seasons
Another era...

I doubt Markov will get a 4-5 years deal, but 2-3 might be possible...

It better be with the habs... I just can't believe the number of unfaithfull habs fans... Markov is the oldest member of the team, by far, always great for the team and people want to dump him... one thing is for sure, the organisation as way more class than that.

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12-03-2010, 11:23 PM
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I guess one way of putting things in perspective is to imagine Markov was an impending UFA playing for another team. It's curious because I can imagine a lot more people would propose to sign him as oppose to the opinions I'm reading right now. I could have sworn people were drooling over the prospect of signing Gaborik and/or Havlat a couple years back, despite the injury prone concerns that followed both players.


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12-03-2010, 11:27 PM
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I guess one way of putting things in perspective is to imagine Markov was an impending UFA playing for another team. It's curious because I can imagine a lot more people would propose to sign him rather as oppose to the opinions I'm reading right now. I could have sworn people were drooling over the prospect of signing Gaborik and/or Havlat a couple years back, despite the injury prone concerns that followed both players.
with our lack of depth and age on D, Gauthier can't afford to let markov walk and he knows this

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12-03-2010, 11:50 PM
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ok does this mean his knee wasnt ready for contact?

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12-04-2010, 12:59 AM
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I think if we're smart, we try to re-sign him on a 3-4 year deal around the 4.5-5.5M$ mark.

it's a risk, for sure, but a worthwhile one imo. Had he been healthy and playing at his expected level, we'd be on the hook for a 6-7M$+ deal to get him re-signed.

the injury "should" drop his asking price (especially if he really does want to stay in montreal, but as others have pointed out, some GM out there will be willing to go to bat giving him a big deal if we can't keep him.

If I'm Ken Holland, I'm licking my chops... With Lidstrom set to retire, he has both the need and the cap space to give Markov big money on a 1-2 year deal, knowing that if he gets back to his level of play, they would have the value and the edge to re-sign/extend him long-term, and if he doesn't pan out, or his play drops, it's only a 1-2 year investment, and frankly even if Markov's skating suffers from the injury, his game is more reliant on smarts/angles than it is on physical skills, so he'll still be a solid player to have.

Habs could potentially go the same way I suppose, but i'd rather gamble on Markov regaining even 80% of his level of play, which would still make him a good signing at a 4.5-5.5M$ price tag.

either way, very interesting to see how this plays out, and what PG does now to adjust the roster...
top-6 fwd is a need, but he also must realizes that adding a solid dman is also a need. Guys we have now are doing just fine, but I think everyone remembers what happened to Spacek/Hamrlik last year when they were forced into big minutes for a large chunk of the season... worn down and awful come the playoffs.

How PG handles this will gives us every indication of what kind of GM he is, time for him to earn his paycheck!

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12-04-2010, 07:15 AM
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I agree with the drinker of crappy beer .

Although I think Markov is overrated by many, he definitely is a premium d man - and to me more importantly, he seems to be genuinely proud to be a Canadien.

I believe we should reward that kind of guy and show him some mutual respect and dedication.

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12-04-2010, 07:24 AM
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Hate to say this, but we have to part with Markov. Anyone that thinks he will have a full recovery needs to look at his injuries the past few years. I hate to say it and I think he was a great defensive player, but these aren't your simply muscle pull etc. The guy has been injuried alot and with some major injuries. He will never be the same, ever. And with these types of injuries he is a risk, a BIG one. You may not like it, but its the truth.

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12-04-2010, 07:26 AM
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Another era...

I doubt Markov will get a 4-5 years deal, but 2-3 might be possible...

It better be with the habs... I just can't believe the number of unfaithfull habs fans... Markov is the oldest member of the team, by far, always great for the team and people want to dump him... one thing is for sure, the organisation as way more class than that.
Same thing happened with Koivu. People need to let it go. Players don't stay forever anymore. And to be honest, I really don't miss Koivu or anyone from that team at all.

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12-04-2010, 07:52 AM
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would sign him for a low cap hit for one year. see how his knee reacts.

How can anyone sign him long term after these 2 surgeries at his age?

Perhaps desperate teams may gamble, but the habs should be cautious.

That being said, get well soon you russian china doll.

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12-04-2010, 07:58 AM
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Another era...

I doubt Markov will get a 4-5 years deal, but 2-3 might be possible...

It better be with the habs... I just can't believe the number of unfaithfull habs fans... Markov is the oldest member of the team, by far, always great for the team and people want to dump him... one thing is for sure, the organisation as way more class than that.
These are the same people retro-actively throwing Saku under a bus. The majority of Habs fans are fickle and don't care about players who haven't won us a cup lately. I'll be quite disappointed if we let Markov walk.

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12-04-2010, 08:24 AM
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Same thing happened with Koivu. People need to let it go. Players don't stay forever anymore. And to be honest, I really don't miss Koivu or anyone from that team at all.
To be honest, Koivu was never the kind of player Markov was... Markov is an all-star Top 10 d-man when healthy... Koivu was barely a no1 centre... more of a no2 centre.

Also, he was the captain and at one time, he was taking way too much place in the locker room and something need to be done with him if we wanted to change the chemistry of this team.

I still like Koivu, I would prefer him than Gomez, but really, we needed to part ways with him for a real change.

It's not the same with Markov... it's a question of showing some respect to a guy who's having health issues... Colorado were always very patient with Forsberg who was much more injury prone...

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12-04-2010, 08:33 AM
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Gaborik plays more than 10 games a year sorry but Markov will never be the same again maybe Gauthier can do a sign and trade to try and get something for him
What are you? Who are you? How old are you?

Who makes an argument like;

"Gaborik plays more than 10 games a year sorry"

And thinks it's actually

a) a valid argument
b) can be considered with respect

Knowing full well that

Gaborik:

2006-07 Minnesota Wild NHL 48 30 27 57 40 5 3 1 4 8
2007-08 Minnesota Wild NHL 77 42 41 83 63 6 0 1 1 4
2008-09 Minnesota Wild NHL 17 13 10 23 2 -- -- -- -- --
2009-10 New York Rangers NHL 76 42 44 86 37 -- -- -- -- --
2010-11 New York Rangers NHL 15 8 7 15 8



Markov:

2006-07 Montreal Canadiens NHL 77 6 43 49 56 -- -- -- -- --
2007-08 Montreal Canadiens NHL 82 16 42 58 63 12 1 3 4 8
2008-09 Montreal Canadiens NHL 78 12 52 64 36 -- -- -- -- --
2009-10 Montreal Canadiens NHL 45 6 28 34 32 8 0 4 4 0
2010-11 Montreal Canadiens* NHL 7 1 2 3


Over the past 5 seasons...

"Gaborik plays more than 10 games a year sorry"

What a joke

"Markov will never be the same again"

What are the right numbers for the next 300 Million lottery. PM it to me man, I could really use that kind of clairvoyance with respect to the future.

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12-04-2010, 08:39 AM
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Bobby orr knees, I see markov retiring in the next couple of seasons
We are in 2010...surgery as improved alot...A LOT.

There are examples of players having multiple surgeries and coming back (I believe Justin Williams is one of them).

It takes at year to fully recover from this surgeries and get back to 100%. I believe Markov can come back to what he was, or very close to. I would take a shot at a long term contract for cheaper $$$. He could be a steal!

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12-04-2010, 08:46 AM
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I hope Gauthier doesn't rush into making a move, right now we are playing well and picking up points. Wait closer to the deadline and see which teams fall out of contention and see who is available for cheap

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