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12-03-2010, 05:14 PM
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Get a top 6 forward NOW!

We now have 5.75 extra mil on the cap, Gomez needs help and we are now able to give it to him. Travis Moen is not even close of being solution offensively, Both Cammy and Gomez are really under-performing this season and it has to change pronto. We need a top 6 forward who can finish plays and play in front of the net. I think with a D squad of

Hamrlik-Weber
Spacek-Subban
Gill-Gorges
Picard

We have a lot more assets then your usual D squad. Weber and Subban are 2 pp specialists, Gill and Gorges are 2 pk specialists and Hammer, Spcaek can do a bit of everything. I don't think we need to spend the money on bringing another D, although a Ballard or a Jovanovski would probably look good on the Habs.

Please Gauthier, don't waste the money..

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12-03-2010, 05:22 PM
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I totally agree with you except I'd play Subban with Hamrlik.

Our pressing need is another body that can contribute to the top 6 offense.

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12-03-2010, 05:25 PM
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The better question is whether or not we should get a top 6 or go for a 1st pairing D a la Kaberle.

After some thought, I'm inclined to disagree with you. We have a top 6 forward, his name is Benoit Pouliot. Put him on line 2 and go out and acquire a guy that can play big minutes and on the powerplay. We have nothing to lose, and everything to gain, considering Moen gets taken off that line. Then again, if Weber turns out to be the real deal, we can go for a top 6 instead. It's an interesting dilemma.

We also have MaxPac in the wings.

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12-03-2010, 05:33 PM
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time to get a top 6 sniper for gomer, or a top centre for cammy

not sure what is out there.

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12-03-2010, 05:34 PM
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time to get a top 6 sniper for gomer, or a top centre for cammy

not sure what is out there.
Plekanec is a top line centre.

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12-03-2010, 05:35 PM
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I'd go hard after Brad Richards if he was made available.

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12-03-2010, 05:37 PM
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Plekanec is a top line centre.
but gomez is not, and that is where cammy is stuck

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The better question is whether or not we should get a top 6 or go for a 1st pairing D a la Kaberle.

After some thought, I'm inclined to disagree with you. We have a top 6 forward, his name is Benoit Pouliot. Put him on line 2 and go out and acquire a guy that can play big minutes and on the powerplay. We have nothing to lose, and everything to gain, considering Moen gets taken off that line. Then again, if Weber turns out to be the real deal, we can go for a top 6 instead. It's an interesting dilemma.

We also have MaxPac in the wings.
If we want to contend we will need three scoring lines though.

Cammy - Plek - Kost
Penner? - Gomez - Gio
Pouliot - Eller - MaxPac

This would be my ideal lineup with whoever we actually want to acquire (Penner is just my front-runner). We would then have a pretty decent fourth line of Moen - Halpern - Darche/Laps and with Pyatt waiting in the wings.

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I'd go hard after Brad Richards if he was made available.


agreed, but what do you do with gomer?

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If we want to contend we will need three scoring lines though.

Cammy - Plek - Kost
Penner? - Gomez - Gio
Pouliot - Eller - MaxPac

This would be my ideal lineup with whoever we actually want to acquire (Penner is just my front-runner). We would then have a pretty decent fourth line of Moen - Halpern - Darche/Laps and with Pyatt waiting in the wings.
is penner lazy?

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12-03-2010, 05:41 PM
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Geez.......because of the unfortunate circumstances surrounding Markov there is money in the bank. I'm guessing the Habs will continue to evaluate for as long as possible or maybe not. LOL But what's the pressing need - a top tier d-man or a top 6 forward or both?

My fear is for the D. Some new players are wearing targets on their backs. They weren't brought in to do what they've been doing but so far they've been very adequate. I suspect Weber was called up because of this impending news. I suspect Subban was benched to get a message across quickly. Keep your game simple PK without the razzamatazz and you will do wonders. I think he performed extremely well with that mindset last year and with Hamrlik as his partner.

If the D can stay status quo then it's a top six forward. Fill that slot with something and keep Eller and Pouliot together on the third line and this team looks dangerous.

Well a bunch of rambling for nothing. LOL It will be interesting to see what transpires. The boys have to get over the shock of losing Markov for the season. That may take a few games.

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12-03-2010, 05:43 PM
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This player was brought up in the trade proposal thread not long ago. How about Cory Stillman? Has very valuable playoff experience, excellent playmaker, goes to the net for garbage and has a good contract or what's left of it. Did JM bring Stillman to Florida?

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Suck it up, acquire no one, play the kids, be smart in the off season.

Realistically, getting a top 6 forward would cost us a roster player and prospects/picks. Considering that we are more than a player away from being true contenders, trading some future players for a quick fix with no clear purpose is not valid.

Let's keep in mind that even with the loss of Markov, this team is not in a panic situation.

I guess trying to fleece the Leafs for Kaberle would be a good option if it gives us a chance to sign him, but otherwise, I say we stay put and play with the cards that we are dealt.

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thing is if the habs don't shore up 1st, some other teams will, and then we need to pray we can hold on , and don't get inj's.

i say go after richards.

but i know what about gomer

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12-03-2010, 05:50 PM
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This player was brought up in the trade proposal thread not long ago. How about Cory Stillman? Has very valuable playoff experience, excellent playmaker, goes to the net for garbage and has a good contract or what's left of it. Did JM bring Stillman to Florida?
What has he been up to lately?

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12-03-2010, 05:52 PM
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If we want to contend we will need three scoring lines though.

Cammy - Plek - Kost
Penner? - Gomez - Gio
Pouliot - Eller - MaxPac

This would be my ideal lineup with whoever we actually want to acquire (Penner is just my front-runner). We would then have a pretty decent fourth line of Moen - Halpern - Darche/Laps and with Pyatt waiting in the wings.
One could also make the argument that we won't contend with two rookie blueliners like Subban and Weber in the line up either. However, I'm not inclined to believe that because we did still manage to beat the Penguins without Markov and with Subban+MAB. Subban was great and MAB was well, MAB. I think I'd take Weber over MAB in the defensive zone anyways.

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12-03-2010, 05:55 PM
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Well, Pouliot is fine where he is right now.
3rd line, some PP time, hes not playing against a strong opposition, this is good.
We could give him and Eller more responsability offensively during the next weeks, giving them more icetime, or an harder one, and lets see how they could do.

The fact is that i am not convinced at all that we can offer a lot for trades.
Our bottom-6 players are all useful, and losing one of them could be more problematic than we thought after a couple of games.
Same problem for our D, especially with Markov's injury...

Pyatt and Halpern are important for our PK, one is young, the other one cheap.
Eller and Pouliot are young players, i dont wanna lose them for a rental, who might not be a huge upgrade, by the way.
We're left with Darche, Moen and Lapierre.
Darche could be a 13rd guy, no problem for that, he's a good guy, but his trade value is inexistant.
Moen and Lapierre are our only tough guys, or at least able to drop the gloves...

Each guy bring something for us, but his trade value is not a big one.

Rental players are usually overrated. You need time to adjust yourself with your new teammates, new tactics, new job, new responsabilities, and once you start to produce, boom season over.

UFA wingers, under 4M$ cap hit :

Sullivan (Nashville) 3.75
Stillman (Florida) 3.5
Sturm (Boston) 3.5
Williams (LA) 3.5
Ponikarovsky (LA) 3.2
Frolov (NYR) 3
Hejduk (Colorado) 3
Vrbata (Phoenix) 3
Cole (Carolina) 2.9
Langenbrunner (NJD) 2.8
Knuble (Washington) 2.8
Samsonov (Carolina) 2.5
Moulson (NYI) 2.4
Miettinen, Brunette, Kobasew (Minnesota) 2.3
Upshall (Phoenix) 2.2
Jokinen (Carolina) 1.7

A lot of guys are in buying teams not selling ones.
Lets assume we want a guy over 6'0, for once.
And a durable player, able to play for more than 60 games over the season.
Well...Andrew Brunette is the only guy that sounds interesting.
Moulson and Cole, maybe, but thats not really worth it, i think.


UFA Defensemen :

Jovanovski (Phoenix) 6.5
Lidstrom (Detroit) 6.2
McCabe (Florida) 5.75
Kaberle (Toronto) 4.25
Pitkanen (Carolina) 4
Bieksa (Vancouver) 3.7
Salo (Vancouver) 3.5
Wisniewski (NYI) 3.2
Ehrhoff (Vancouver) 3.1
White (Carolina) 3

We have to remember that if we trade for one of them, we will have to move out of the lineup (assuming they're not involved) one of our own defensemen. Our 4 vets are all important, obviously, Picard is useful as a #7, Subban is untouchable, and im not a fan of the idea of trading Weber without seeing him for a extended period in the NHL.

McCabe, Pitkanen, Kaberle are the only ones who can be really worth moving. But one of them is 36 years old, the 2 others are not stellar defensively.

Its much tougher than we think.

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What has he been up to lately?
Ugh........I guess questionable for upcoming games because of back spasms. But the guy seems to fit the JM mold. I love Stillman's hockey sense. He would know how to find Cammalleri and know how to help Gomez.

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I wouldn't be too unhappy if we swung a deal with the Boo-ins for Sturm vs. a draft pick conditional on how many games he plays/if he gets reinjured or something along those lines.

A consistent 20 goal, 40-50 point guy he would look good on the second line. He has the speed to play with Gomez and a decent shot; could be alright and wouldn't push us up against the cap at all. Plus he's off the books in July so no harm no foul if he sucks up the joint.

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McCabe, Pitkanen, Kaberle are the only ones who can be really worth moving. But one of them is 36 years old, the 2 others are not stellar defensively.

Its much tougher than we think.
I agree with the majority of your post but I wanted to say I definitely agree with this.

I wouldn't mind either of those 3 defenseman, but at what cost? Most trade proposals include atleast Pacioretty and Weber and both seem to be coming into their own right now and are our most NHL-ready prospects not on the regular roster... At the very least we need to give Weber another 5-6 games minimum(preferably more) and closely evaluate his performance, if he can eat up bottom pairing minutes playing well while helping our transition and QBing our PP then he deserves to stay and we should concentrate on acquiring help for Gomez and the 2nd line in general.

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Pacioretty?

I vote for him: call-him up at the end of the season (like we did with Subban last year) and hope it turns as well it did for PK.

And used that money to replace Markov, maybe with Kaberle. We could trade Pacioretty for him, perhaps?

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Pacioretty?

I vote for him: call-him up at the end of the season (like we did with Subban last year) and hope it turns as well it did for PK.

And used that money to replace Markov, maybe with Kaberle. We could trade Pacioretty for him, perhaps?
I think it's a valid and realistic option that we have in our deck of cards, but my personal stance is that we evaluated our current group (Weber in this case) and see what he does and how the team does. If we don't need to give up Pacioretty or other prospects for an aging defenseman, let's not do that.

If Weber falls short, Kaberle is my #1 trade dream.

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What about Langenbrunner?

Looking at how things go in NJ, I doubt we would have to overpay for him. He'd be a very serviceable 50-60pt guy

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is penner lazy?
No. But because he's big and looks like he glides when he skates, and doesn't crush people, everyone in the media will say he is.

They'll curse his name while he's fighting two guys on the boards and coming out with the puck, curse his coasting when he keeps up with Cogliano.

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What about Langenbrunner?

Looking at how things go in NJ, I doubt we would have to overpay for him. He'd be a very serviceable 50-60pt guy
Yes I'd like him for one more year. And Gainey is still doing work behind the scene, and with his Dallas Connection and all, Langenbrunner might be the kind of guy he'd look for.

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hate to be a downer, but i wouldn't want to give up important assets for a run this year when we're missing markov for the playoffs. I can't see this team winning the cup without him, i'd rather keep the assets and make a run with him (or his replacement) next year.

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