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09-03-2013, 08:14 PM
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They sure saw something I didn't. I have the game on DVD and still try to see what they saw.

Good for him.

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If you looked at his accomplishments, something like the Norris wasn't even out of the ordinary.

He progressed steadily, but clearly, being named as best dman at the World Juniors, to making the all-star games in his second year, then another all-star game/all-star team/Norris by his third year. And his best was in his 4th year at just 175 pounds until injury.

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I remember that tournament very fondly but not because of Karlsson even though he was our best player. He was an absolute monster stealing pucks from everyone, doing his guy on the blueline then he goes in for the booming shot. Just to shoot it 5 feet wide or above the net. This happend atleast 5 times every single game.. or close to :p It was very obvious he was going to rise in the ranks since he was so raw and skilled I'm sure most saw him being a project a few years ahead.. not becoming the player he has so quickly

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I remember Karlsson being Sweden's best defenseman at that tournament. Better than Hedman. And the Swedish coach saying so too.

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Erik Karlsson has a new tattoo, looks like a half sleeve




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I was hooked after the first shift I saw him play live in pre-season against Montreal. Took a puck off the board, floated across the blue line, clapped the ice for a fake slapper and than took a shot that missed by a mile. He also had the rare ability to move faster once he got the puck.

Never saw a player as young and fresh to a new environment look so comfortable to show his skill at the defensive position in situations like walking the line.

Sounds easy to say in retrospect, but there was something different about this guy.

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I like this zone exits article (it's been brought up a few times, most recently in the Suter vs. Karlsson thread) because I think it cuts to the chase as to why Karlsson is so special.

http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/arti...articleid=1467

Dave Tippett's quote about certain types of defensemen he coached sums up what I have been trying to accomplish by tracking zone exits:

"I'll give you an example. We had a player that was supposed to be a great, shutdown defenseman. He was supposedly the be-all, end-all of defensemen. But when you did a 10-game analysis of him, you found out he was defending all the time because he can't move the puck. Then we had another guy, who supposedly couldn't defend a lick. Well, he was defending only 20 percent of the time because he's making good plays out of our end. He may not be the strongest defender, but he's only doing it 20 percent of the time. So the equation works out better the other way. I ended up trading the other defenseman."


Someone in the thread was talking about Rob Scuderi and how an injured Karlsson should still have the hockey IQ not to make mistakes that Scuderi doesn't.

Interestingly:

Worst zone breakout defensemen
Player Touches Success%
Hal Gill 136 8.8%
Kent Huskins 114 10.5%
Anton Volchkenov 142 10.6%
Jeff Schultz 135 13.3%
Randy Jones 117 13.7%
Andrew Alberts 107 14.0%
Mike Komisarek 156 14.1%
Pavel Kubina 220 14.1%
Mark Stuart 112 14.3%
Nick Schultz 124 14.5%
Bryce Salvador 157 14.6%
Scott Hannan 149 14.8%
Nicklas Grossman 121 14.9%
Rob Scuderi 190 15.3%
Andreas Lilja 156 15.4%
Mark Giordano 206 15.5%
Cam Barker 128 15.6%
Ed Jovanovski 154 15.6%
Ladislav Smid 140 15.7%
Dan Girardi 165 15.80%
Minimum 100 puck touches

There's our friend, Rob Scuderi.

And, on the positive end:

Best zone breakout defensemen
Player Touches Success%
Erik Karlsson 258 38.0%
Keith Yandle 225 35.1%
Grant Clitsome 162 32.1%
Brian Campbell 287 31.7%
Dion Phaneuf 200 31.5%
Nick Lidstrom 211 30.8%
Brent Burns 194 30.4%
Ryan Suter 205 30.2%
Sergei Gonchar 182 30.2%
Tyler Myers 156 30.1%
Mark Fayne 147 29.9%
Joni Pitkanen 211 29.9%
Alec Martinez 124 29.8%
Jake Gardiner 196 29.6%
Toni Lydman 149 29.5%
Andrej Sekera 163 29.4%
Christian Ehrhoff 150 29.3%
Brent Seabrook 265 28.7%
PK Subban 221 28.5%
Steve Montador 229 28.4%
Minimum 100 puck touches

Combine that with his takeaways, where in his Norris season he was 12th in the league, and 1st among defencemen, and you've got a guy who leads in the league in two impressive defensive statistics. To put that in perspective, the next highest defenceman was 47th, in Shea Weber.

What's great about those two metrics, is that they do not represent "passive defence", namely, restricting an opposing scoring chance, but rather "active defence", which is the transformation of defence into offence through possession.

He's the closest thing to Paul Coffey since Paul Coffey, another guy who went relatively unappreciated because of an unorthodox approach to defence.

In today's game, with systems being so prominent, the ability to regularly inject a creative 4th guy into the offensive play without sacrificing on the defensive end is a revelatory advantage that some of the smarter pundits began to recognize at the beginning of last season.

I never thought he'd progress this quickly. Guys like MoO were more on the ball in that respect than I.

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I was hooked after the first shift I saw him play live in pre-season against Montreal. Took a puck off the board, floated across the blue line, clapped the ice for a fake slapper and than took a shot that missed by a mile. He also had the rare ability to move faster once he got the puck.

Never saw a player as young and fresh to a new environment look so comfortable to show his skill at the defensive position in situations like walking the line.

Sounds easy to say in retrospect, but there was something different about this guy.
Indeed. I remember his fist pre-season too. He made a crazy "bank off the boards" stretch pass to Neil. I immediately knew we had someone special on our hands, and I made this prediction: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=689773

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Indeed. I remember his fist pre-season too. He made a crazy "bank off the boards" stretch pass to Neil. I immediately knew we had someone special on our hands, and I made this prediction: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=689773
You always want to warm up when partaking in this activity. I'm glad he took the time to participate in a pre-season.


Also, I think it's time to post that Don Brennan article again.

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Indeed. I remember his fist pre-season too. He made a crazy "bank off the boards" stretch pass to Neil. I immediately knew we had someone special on our hands, and I made this prediction: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=689773
That was a great flashback! I wonder if all the doubters now have EK 65 Jerseys haha.

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Saying he will be #1 is basing your opinion off your wishes which has nothing to do with being objective. No poster has seen him enough to make that bold of a statement. Maybe you should get into the calirvoyancy business which demands far less insight and credibility into the way the real world functions.
Hey maybe you should get into the calirvoyancy business afterall, seeing how you provide little insight or credibility......

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Indeed. I remember his fist pre-season too. He made a crazy "bank off the boards" stretch pass to Neil. I immediately knew we had someone special on our hands, and I made this prediction: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=689773
Phew, glad I'm on the right side in this one.

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Karlsson's right leg looks weirdly small.

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Karlsson's right leg looks weirdly small.
It was his left leg that was injured...

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It was his left leg that was injured...
I know. Just doesn't look right. Gotta be the angle.

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I know. Just doesn't look right. Gotta be the angle.
maybe he jacked up his left leg in prep for the season? Physio does the same thing before surgeries, to make sure the atrophy is not as bad. Either way, if his left leg looks larger, that means we are in for full speed Karlsson.

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For people who like strolling down memory lane:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=804654

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For people who like strolling down memory lane:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=804654
Schenn is better offensively than Karlsson is defensively.

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Schenn is better offensively than Karlsson is defensively.
I wouldn't say that about Brayden let alone Luke.

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Some key analysis from that thread:

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Karlsson is like the vanilla ice cream on an apple pie. The apple pie being the Ottawa Senators hockey franchise. He makes it better. But sometimes the ice cream melts and makes a mess, and you're left wishing you had a spoon. With all that said, you're gonna accept ice cream on your pie if asked, every time. Unless you have sensitive teeth.

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Good to see that a lot of the AINEC guys were NEC.

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http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1496239

Vote Karlsson for spite.

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It's the results of an HF poll.

Who cares.

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Who cares.
Spite.

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I like this zone exits article (it's been brought up a few times, most recently in the Suter vs. Karlsson thread) because I think it cuts to the chase as to why Karlsson is so special.

http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/arti...articleid=1467

Dave Tippett's quote about certain types of defensemen he coached sums up what I have been trying to accomplish by tracking zone exits:

"I'll give you an example. We had a player that was supposed to be a great, shutdown defenseman. He was supposedly the be-all, end-all of defensemen. But when you did a 10-game analysis of him, you found out he was defending all the time because he can't move the puck. Then we had another guy, who supposedly couldn't defend a lick. Well, he was defending only 20 percent of the time because he's making good plays out of our end. He may not be the strongest defender, but he's only doing it 20 percent of the time. So the equation works out better the other way. I ended up trading the other defenseman."


Someone in the thread was talking about Rob Scuderi and how an injured Karlsson should still have the hockey IQ not to make mistakes that Scuderi doesn't.

Interestingly:

Worst zone breakout defensemen
Player Touches Success%
Hal Gill 136 8.8%
Kent Huskins 114 10.5%
Anton Volchkenov 142 10.6%
Jeff Schultz 135 13.3%
Randy Jones 117 13.7%
Andrew Alberts 107 14.0%
Mike Komisarek 156 14.1%
Pavel Kubina 220 14.1%
Mark Stuart 112 14.3%
Nick Schultz 124 14.5%
Bryce Salvador 157 14.6%
Scott Hannan 149 14.8%
Nicklas Grossman 121 14.9%
Rob Scuderi 190 15.3%
Andreas Lilja 156 15.4%
Mark Giordano 206 15.5%
Cam Barker 128 15.6%
Ed Jovanovski 154 15.6%
Ladislav Smid 140 15.7%
Dan Girardi 165 15.80%
Minimum 100 puck touches

There's our friend, Rob Scuderi.

And, on the positive end:

Best zone breakout defensemen
Player Touches Success%
Erik Karlsson 258 38.0%
Keith Yandle 225 35.1%
Grant Clitsome 162 32.1%
Brian Campbell 287 31.7%
Dion Phaneuf 200 31.5%
Nick Lidstrom 211 30.8%
Brent Burns 194 30.4%
Ryan Suter 205 30.2%
Sergei Gonchar 182 30.2%
Tyler Myers 156 30.1%
Mark Fayne 147 29.9%
Joni Pitkanen 211 29.9%
Alec Martinez 124 29.8%
Jake Gardiner 196 29.6%
Toni Lydman 149 29.5%
Andrej Sekera 163 29.4%
Christian Ehrhoff 150 29.3%
Brent Seabrook 265 28.7%
PK Subban 221 28.5%
Steve Montador 229 28.4%
Minimum 100 puck touches

Combine that with his takeaways, where in his Norris season he was 12th in the league, and 1st among defencemen, and you've got a guy who leads in the league in two impressive defensive statistics. To put that in perspective, the next highest defenceman was 47th, in Shea Weber.

What's great about those two metrics, is that they do not represent "passive defence", namely, restricting an opposing scoring chance, but rather "active defence", which is the transformation of defence into offence through possession.

He's the closest thing to Paul Coffey since Paul Coffey, another guy who went relatively unappreciated because of an unorthodox approach to defence.

In today's game, with systems being so prominent, the ability to regularly inject a creative 4th guy into the offensive play without sacrificing on the defensive end is a revelatory advantage that some of the smarter pundits began to recognize at the beginning of last season.

I never thought he'd progress this quickly. Guys like MoO were more on the ball in that respect than I.
This post needs to be stickied and traffic directed there anytime anyone says "yeah great he's a 4th forward, cant play defence etc".
Sums it all up right here.

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Do any of you guys hanging around here been watching any practices/scrimages? I am curious how karlsson skates.

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